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2011-10-24 03:26:31 AM  

baggins2000: NewportBarGuy: Yeah, that would go over about as well as Al Gore in 2000.

I don't think he could get two thirds of the votes that Al Gore got. Unless he was running against Perry it wouldn't be close. But if the choice is Biden and Perry I won't give a shiat because I'll completely give up on the US politics.

Elizabeth Warren 2016


What if the 2016 field is as lame as 2012?
 
2011-10-24 03:33:53 AM  
Also, isn't it comforting to know that 2012 is such a fargone conclusion that we are starting to consider the 2016 election? It makes me warm and fuzzy inside to see how the GOP f*cked this upcoming election up so badly.
 
2011-10-24 03:37:09 AM  

VictorOfBorge: Can't see Biden doing it... it's hard to run with your foot in your mouth.


You know nothing of my work, philistine.
 
2011-10-24 03:50:33 AM  

Sanic123: A Dark Evil Omen: Sanic123: kimwim: BOZ: The funniest part of this is that a lot of these young Democrats will grow up in the next 4-8 years, figure out that what they knew to be correct was a bunch of shiat, and make the intelligent move to a more conservative candidate or party.

Not necessarily...as I age, I get more liberal, not less.

Yeah, I've grown more liberal too. I think the era of people growing conservative as they age is over.

I also started out as a libertarian capitalist type, then I grew up and got a job. Getting more conservative as you get older - assuming it is or ever was true - has, I suspect, more to do with brain loss due to aging.

/Snark
//Maybe

Well the truth of it is by world standards america's "liberal" party is to the right of center anyway. It is just more near to the center than the far right conservative side.


As I've gotten older I've definitely become more conservative. But that's conservative with a small c, and has farkall to do with Conservatism, which is actually crazy, radical wingnuttery. With wisdom and experience comes a desire for moderation and distaste for radicalism. But that hardly translates into a desire to embrace Prosperity Jesus, neo-con Preemptive Wars, and quasi-anarchocapitalist crypto-fascist bullshiat.
 
2011-10-24 04:02:27 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: Elizabeth Warren 2016. It's time to put a real liberal in the White House.


Bears repeating.
 
2011-10-24 04:18:11 AM  
I'm not even going to pretend I can predict 2016. There are too many variables in play, like Occupy Wall Street. If OWS results in a liberal/progressive surge in 2012 and the economy turns around in Obama's second term, then I think the Democrats will be going into 2016 very strong.

If OWS doesn't translate into progressive votes, then we're screwed. Either Romney wins and the corporations start spending all that money they have in reserve to restore some semblance of prosperity and the right claims ideological victory, or Obama wins with enough Republicans left in power to keep the economy in the dumps and hoping for a win in 2016.

There will also be the 2014 elections, which could see another Rederplican surge, since liberal/progressives tend to slack on non-presidential election years and the right is going to be epically pissed if Obama wins again. But I don't see them being able to pull off a second Tea Party style astroturf job, and the liberal/progressives may be able to terrify their base with the specter of the 2010 drubbing into actually turning out to vote.

If OWS really does lead to a resurgence in leftist politics, then by 2016 the Republicans may have collapsed into a regional party only representing the south, which could lead to an interesting showdown between Democratic establishment centrists and liberal/progressives. The 2016 Democratic primaries are, regardless of what happens between now and then, certainly going to be interesting and exciting.

I could see Biden or Gillibrand representing the centrists, and Feingold or Warren representing the progressives. I could also see something really interesting, like a Gillibrand/Feingold ticket happening. There are also some serious darkhorses that could come out of the blue -- I think Gavin Newsom has a real shot at getting himself the Veep nod in 2016, though he may be shooting for Governor of California. And, of course, in 2003 there was absolutely no one seriously talking about Barack Obama, so we have to be open to the possibility that the 2016 is a complete unknown at this moment.

I also think Michael Bloomberg is positioning himself for a serious run -- he's been doing a hell of a lot to brand himself as pro-progressive (which is why I think he's not cracking down on OWS - he needs these people to vote for him in 2016!), and I suspect he'll run as a Democrat (since Guilliani has proven that a New York liberal republican, which is basically what Bloomberg is at heart, can't win the GOP nomination).

I would rather have Warren in the Senate than the White House, because I think she has the kind of mind that will serve best actually writing legislation and running the finances committee. As much as I like Feingold, I don't know if he's got the charisma to capture people's imagination. So if I were to put money on who the Dems will run in 2016, which as I've made clear I'm loathe to do, I would put it down on Gillibrand/Bloomberg.

Gillibrand/Bloomberg. Try to remember you read that here first.
 
2011-10-24 04:37:45 AM  

skepticultist: I'm not even going to pretend I can predict 2016. There are too many variables in play, like Occupy Wall Street. If OWS results in a liberal/progressive surge in 2012 and the economy turns around in Obama's second term, then I think the Democrats will be going into 2016 very strong.

If OWS doesn't translate into progressive votes, then we're screwed. Either Romney wins and the corporations start spending all that money they have in reserve to restore some semblance of prosperity and the right claims ideological victory, or Obama wins with enough Republicans left in power to keep the economy in the dumps and hoping for a win in 2016.

There will also be the 2014 elections, which could see another Rederplican surge, since liberal/progressives tend to slack on non-presidential election years and the right is going to be epically pissed if Obama wins again. But I don't see them being able to pull off a second Tea Party style astroturf job, and the liberal/progressives may be able to terrify their base with the specter of the 2010 drubbing into actually turning out to vote.

If OWS really does lead to a resurgence in leftist politics, then by 2016 the Republicans may have collapsed into a regional party only representing the south, which could lead to an interesting showdown between Democratic establishment centrists and liberal/progressives. The 2016 Democratic primaries are, regardless of what happens between now and then, certainly going to be interesting and exciting.

I could see Biden or Gillibrand representing the centrists, and Feingold or Warren representing the progressives. I could also see something really interesting, like a Gillibrand/Feingold ticket happening. There are also some serious darkhorses that could come out of the blue -- I think Gavin Newsom has a real shot at getting himself the Veep nod in 2016, though he may be shooting for Governor of California. And, of course, in 2003 there was absolutely no one seriously talking about Barack Obama, so we have to be open to the possibility that the 2016 is a complete unknown at this moment.

I also think Michael Bloomberg is positioning himself for a serious run -- he's been doing a hell of a lot to brand himself as pro-progressive (which is why I think he's not cracking down on OWS - he needs these people to vote for him in 2016!), and I suspect he'll run as a Democrat (since Guilliani has proven that a New York liberal republican, which is basically what Bloomberg is at heart, can't win the GOP nomination).

I would rather have Warren in the Senate than the White House, because I think she has the kind of mind that will serve best actually writing legislation and running the finances committee. As much as I like Feingold, I don't know if he's got the charisma to capture people's imagination. So if I were to put money on who the Dems will run in 2016, which as I've made clear I'm loathe to do, I would put it down on Gillibrand/Bloomberg.

Gillibrand/Bloomberg. Try to remember you read that here first.


Interesting ideas. Though I think that if Romney somehow wins, the destruction of the middle class will only accelerate, with the media trying to hide that fact.
 
2011-10-24 04:39:57 AM  

Alphax: Interesting ideas. Though I think that if Romney somehow wins, the destruction of the middle class will only accelerate, with the media trying to hide that fact blame it on the progressives.


Edited for accuracy.
 
2011-10-24 05:56:50 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: Elizabeth Warren 2016. It's time to put a real liberal in the White House.

 
2011-10-24 07:30:51 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: She's saved a questionable political career by becoming the best Secretary of State we've had in the last century


Nah, thats Kissinger.
 
kab
2011-10-24 08:30:53 AM  
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2011-10-24 08:39:57 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I like Biden. I think he'd be a good president.

That said, I don't see it happening.


I love Biden. He's a troll king.
 
2011-10-24 08:40:46 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: saintstryfe: Smeggy Smurf: Are you kidding? The President is going to be blamed for the economy regardless of circumstances. The economy cannot recover fast enough to make a difference now. The best he could hope for is for it to take a major turnaround and companies start hiring like crazy.

all the polls that have happened up till now show they don't really blame Obama for it - they understand where the blame lies - mostly with the "conservatives".

You can figure that the Republitards aren't going to vote for him. There is 40% of the voters. Of the 40% Emocrats there is a large number of them with buyers remorse. Figure at least 10% are going to say no. Of the remaining they consistantly vote with their pocketbook regardless of anything else. Even knowing that the Obamessiah was stuck with a shiat sammich does not change the fact that Reagan had the same thing and yet managed to have the perception that things were getting better. The Obamessiah lacks that. If anything the perception is things are about to get a lot worse.

I'm a libertarian and don't give a rat's ass about either party. I want all of them hung for treason and other high crimes. Neither one of the major parties are anything more than a bunch of dweebs farking things up. But if I had to choose, I wouldn't choose a nitwit like the Obamessiah. I'd pick Hillary with a raging case of hemmorhoids and on PMS while waving a flamethrower over him. She at least has her head up her own ass instead of the union's collective asses.

/vote NO for President in 2012


Dude, you seriously need to chill. Perhaps you should step away from the computer, have the nice nurse give you your purple pills and take a nice nap.

Yeesh.
 
2011-10-24 08:46:49 AM  

Sanic123: kimwim: BOZ: The funniest part of this is that a lot of these young Democrats will grow up in the next 4-8 years, figure out that what they knew to be correct was a bunch of shiat, and make the intelligent move to a more conservative candidate or party.

Not necessarily...as I age, I get more liberal, not less.

Yeah, I've grown more liberal too. I think the era of people growing conservative as they age is over.


It may just be because the definition of "conservative" has changed to "stultified old dinosaur who can't see past 1982."
 
2011-10-24 08:50:18 AM  

zenobia: Sanic123: kimwim: BOZ: The funniest part of this is that a lot of these young Democrats will grow up in the next 4-8 years, figure out that what they knew to be correct was a bunch of shiat, and make the intelligent move to a more conservative candidate or party.

Not necessarily...as I age, I get more liberal, not less.

Yeah, I've grown more liberal too. I think the era of people growing conservative as they age is over.

It may just be because the definition of "conservative" has changed to "stultified old dinosaur who can't see past 1982."


"Conservatives", by and large, either like the way things ARE, or like the way things WERE (even an idealized version of what they are/were). They resist changing too much, or too quickly, or even at all. To be modern conservative, all that you need is to believe that things are or were better.

To be a modern Republican, you need a head injury.
 
2011-10-24 08:53:38 AM  
No, vote for ME for president in 2016. I'm tanned, rested and relaxed. If elected, I will solve the debt problem by nationalizing all the art museums in the country and auctioning off all non-American art. This will immediately raise a minimum of $10 trillion. Ta da!

This doesn't solve the deficit, however. For that I will institute the "Federal Tax Raffle." Tickets will cost $1,000 each. At the end of the month a single winner will be selected who will never have to pay Federal income tax again. I figure twelve tax-free millionaires a year is a small price to pay for the tens of billions of dollars in revenue this will bring in each month. That, combined with the John Ekizian Memorial One Cent Tax on those little packets of ketchup they give away at McDonald's should solve our revenue problems once and for all.

I've got a million other simplistic, unworkable ideas like that, plus I have absolutely no experience in government whatsoever, so I'm at least as qualfiied as Herman Cain. Vote Clambam in 2016!
 
2011-10-24 08:55:36 AM  
now if only Joe and the FleeBaggers could just link up

thats a win for the dem's

go for it.....please??????????
 
2011-10-24 08:59:37 AM  
Team Warren
 
2011-10-24 09:38:55 AM  

winterwhile: .please??????????


i262.photobucket.com
 
2011-10-24 09:44:49 AM  
Would definitely prefer Hilary over Joe, despite the nagging belief that we could do better, as a nation, than keep recycling the same set of people through the White House.

Biden is a likeable guy, but an intellectual lightweight. His kid seems to have some brains about him, though.
 
2011-10-24 10:02:51 AM  

atomsmoosher: Would definitely prefer Hilary over Joe, despite the nagging belief that we could do better, as a nation, than keep recycling the same set of people through the White House.

Biden is a likeable guy, but an intellectual lightweight. His kid seems to have some brains about him, though.


Biden is not an intellectual lightweight, IMHO. His main problem is his foot-in-mouth disease. He sometimes speaks before he thinks.
 
2011-10-24 10:04:06 AM  

lilplatinum: Dwight_Yeast: She's saved a questionable political career by becoming the best Secretary of State we've had in the last century

Nah, thats Kissinger.


No, I honestly think she has him beat, as she learned the one lesson Kissinger never did: sometimes it's best to do nothing to make things better.
 
2011-10-24 10:17:45 AM  

Geotpf: atomsmoosher: Would definitely prefer Hilary over Joe, despite the nagging belief that we could do better, as a nation, than keep recycling the same set of people through the White House.

Biden is a likeable guy, but an intellectual lightweight. His kid seems to have some brains about him, though.

Biden is not an intellectual lightweight, IMHO. His main problem is his foot-in-mouth disease. He sometimes speaks before he thinks.


No, his rap is that he was always slick and clever enough to get by without any hard work.

From Wiki:
Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where he was more interested in sports and socializing than in studying,[10] although his classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities.[15] He played halfback with the Blue Hens freshman football team,[14] but he dropped a junior year plan to play for the varsity team as a defensive back, enabling him to spend more time with his out-of-state girlfriend.[14][17] He double majored in history and political science and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in 1965,[1] ranked 506th of 688 in his class.[18]
He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University's College of Law in 1968,[19] where by his own description he found it to be "the biggest bore in the world" and pulled many all-nighters to get by.[15][20] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[20] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[19]
 
2011-10-24 10:21:23 AM  
Didn't we learn this lesson already? Don't let the add-on guy who's unelectable on his own run!

savethehumans.typepad.com
 
2011-10-24 10:30:22 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: /vote NO for President in 2012


ELECTIONS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.
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2011-10-24 10:30:44 AM  
Elizabeth Warren 2016. It's time to put a real liberal in the White House.

You have awakened my heretofore hibernating sense of political enthusiasm.
 
2011-10-24 11:17:54 AM  

cefm: Didn't we learn this lesson already? Don't let the add-on guy who's unelectable on his own run!

[savethehumans.typepad.com image 307x400]


I don't like Al Gore very much, but he did win the election in 2000.
 
2011-10-24 11:28:56 AM  
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2011-10-24 11:30:32 AM  

BOZ: The funniest part of this is that a lot of these young Democrats will grow up in the next 4-8 years, figure out that what they knew to be correct was a bunch of shiat, and make the intelligent move to a more conservative candidate or party.


man i love this one, every time i hear it. "you'll understand when you're older", lol

what this translates to is "hopefully you'll become as intellectually lazy and bankrupt as me, thus allowing us to agree with one another and feel good about ourselves".
 
2011-10-24 11:56:25 AM  

MooseUpNorth: You could do far, far worse.


And far, far better. Biden tried in '88, and '08 and never really made a significant impact. He was solely chosen as VP the same reason as Cheney: to give the ticket "gravitas" and experience. A Biden run would be seen more as a throwback than progress.
 
2011-10-24 11:57:14 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: Elizabeth Warren 2016. It's time to put a real liberal in the White House.


Yeah, as much as I think Joe would do an alright job, I'm still mid orgasm at the though of Elizabeth Warren as POTUS.

/need more tissues
 
2011-10-24 12:31:09 PM  
GAT_00 (favorite) 2011-10-23 07:46:57 PM Because fark it, why not? I don't want Hillary. Never, ever. I'd absolutely love for Warren to run for it, but to straight first term Senators is unlikely to work. Who else from the Democratic Party would go? Phil Bredesen would be great if someone could get him to run. He won the Governor's office for the second time with 68% of the vote, the most lopsided in Tennessee history. He's also a big health care guy. But he sat out 2008 completely.
================================================================

Why would Hilary be a bad thing? If she'd govern anything like Bill, we'd have a damn good country back. With the occasional blowjob of an intern thrown in.

/I could go for Ms Warren, though.
 
2011-10-24 12:33:11 PM  

cefm: Didn't we learn this lesson already? Don't let the add-on guy who's unelectable on his own run!

[savethehumans.typepad.com image 307x400]


Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
 
2011-10-24 01:07:17 PM  
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, run Joe!!!

/better yet, WIN JOE!
 
2011-10-24 02:15:00 PM  

clambam: No, vote for ME for president in 2016. I'm tanned, rested and relaxed. If elected, I will solve the debt problem by nationalizing all the art museums in the country and auctioning off all non-American art. This will immediately raise a minimum of $10 trillion. Ta da!

This doesn't solve the deficit, however. For that I will institute the "Federal Tax Raffle." Tickets will cost $1,000 each. At the end of the month a single winner will be selected who will never have to pay Federal income tax again. I figure twelve tax-free millionaires a year is a small price to pay for the tens of billions of dollars in revenue this will bring in each month. That, combined with the John Ekizian Memorial One Cent Tax on those little packets of ketchup they give away at McDonald's should solve our revenue problems once and for all.

I've got a million other simplistic, unworkable ideas like that, plus I have absolutely no experience in government whatsoever, so I'm at least as qualfiied as Herman Cain. Vote Clambam in 2016!


I'm serious, when do the independent debates for 2016 start?

/Independent debates 2016, sponsered by Fark.com
 
2011-10-24 02:50:23 PM  

BOZ: The funniest part of this is that a lot of these young Democrats will grow up in the next 4-8 years, figure out that what they knew to be correct was a bunch of shiat, and make the intelligent move to a more conservative candidate or party.


They'll have to find a sane one though. Unless the GOP goes and fractures already, good luck with that.
 
2011-10-24 03:21:47 PM  
Amend the constitution! Bartlet for 3rd term!

/seriously
//should repeal that amendment
///people liked Roosevelt, people voted for Roosevelt. Big deal
 
2011-10-24 08:58:32 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

We'll see about that
 
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