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(Fox News) Sad "The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Qaddafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country"   (foxnews.com) divider line 232
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2011-10-23 07:05:09 PM
OMG, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.
 
2011-10-23 07:07:18 PM
Does this come as a surprise to anyone? These people are going to elect themselves an indeposable muslim leadership. This will happen in Tunisia, and given actual freedom in egypt as well.

Thats what they want. Their interests are not your interests.
 
2011-10-23 07:08:20 PM
And you know what? I'm OK with that, as long as the civil rights of the citizens - regardless of religion - are respected, and as long as the nation becomes a democracy or republic that is willing to accept that attitudes change as time passes.

If, on the other hand, they turn into Iran Lite - as seems possible - than we have a problem.
 
2011-10-23 07:09:57 PM
So you can lead a Libyan to the 21st century, but you can't make him think.
 
2011-10-23 07:10:29 PM
Duh. What did people think was going to happen?

That said, Americans are way too scared of the word "Sharia". It includes a bunch of stuff that is perfectly fine, like "Don't murder" and "Don't steal". Contrary to popular American belief, Sharia law doesn't include things like "Kill all Americans".

Just like any religious doctrine, it's open to interpretation. Much will depend on who they choose to do the interpreting.
 
2011-10-23 07:11:14 PM
FOX NEWS IS RIGHT!

WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT QADDAFI ALONE

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2011-10-23 07:13:24 PM
So now the Republicans are back to saying Obama started and finished this thing all by himself.
 
2011-10-23 07:13:36 PM
Exception Collection: And you know what? I'm OK with that, as long as the civil rights of the citizens - regardless of religion - are respected, and as long as the nation becomes a democracy or republic that is willing to accept that attitudes change as time passes.

Uh huh... because civil rights, democracy and tolerance for other religions are the traditional hallmarks of Islamist theocracy.
 
2011-10-23 07:14:01 PM
logic523: Duh. What did people think was going to happen?

That said, Americans are way too scared of the word "Sharia". It includes a bunch of stuff that is perfectly fine, like "Don't murder" and "Don't steal". Contrary to popular American belief, Sharia law doesn't include things like "Kill all Americans".

Just like any religious doctrine, it's open to interpretation. Much will depend on who they choose to do the interpreting.


It's not like the Bible where we ignore most of it.
 
2011-10-23 07:14:17 PM
Satanic_Hamster: OMG, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

No, see, if Gqhadddafyi (or however it's spelled) stayed in power, that's what would have happened. Anybody involved in the revolution, and their loved ones, and people mistaken for their loved ones would have died.

It takes a lot for the US to basically say ``We'll support these guys, and we have no clue whether they're OK guys,''' but as an alternative to genocide-scale mass murder, anything looks pretty OK.
 
2011-10-23 07:14:30 PM
When in doubt, go with holy scripture.
 
2011-10-23 07:15:26 PM
OMG! The people are going to make laws based on their beliefs, and what they feel is right and just!!! How will they ever survive!?!?!

But isn't that what a Republic is all about?
 
2011-10-23 07:18:12 PM
It's their country, most of their populace are muslim, they can do what they want with it.

I wish them the best.
 
2011-10-23 07:18:28 PM
Oh no, they'll be able to set contract law and inheritance rights based on their religious beliefs.

Hint, Sharia law isn't all about chopping off the hands of thieves.
 
2011-10-23 07:20:32 PM
Did the Fox set really believe they'd use Christian law?
 
2011-10-23 07:21:05 PM
trmpt99: OMG! The people are going to make laws based on their beliefs, and what they feel is right and just!!! How will they ever survive!?!?!

But isn't that what a Republic is all about?


Republics run by non-white muslims are bad, didn't you know that?
 
2011-10-23 07:22:18 PM
It's not a democracy until there are purple fingers stuck up for the teevee cameras.

/And shipping pallets of American $100 bills disappearing into thin air.
 
2011-10-23 07:22:56 PM
Barricaded Gunman: Uh huh... because civil rights, democracy and tolerance for other religions are the traditional hallmarks of Islamist Christian theocracy.

Sarcastic remark works that way as well.
 
2011-10-23 07:24:04 PM
What did people think they were going to do, convert to Christianity and set up a system based on Christian beliefs? There is nothing wrong with what they are doing, just as long as they don't let crazy evil people run the show.
 
2011-10-23 07:24:55 PM
Barricaded Gunman: Uh huh... because civil rights, democracy and tolerance for other religions are the traditional hallmarks of Islamist theocracy.

Depends on which one and where you're talking about. According to Wikipedia, Morocco's a nation built with a blended Sharia system - also a monarchy, but nobody's perfect - and they seem to be doing reasonably well. Malaysia likewise, overall. Indonesia's a bit iffier, but mostly doing OK. Egypt went off the rails, but also had a fairly secularized government.
 
2011-10-23 07:27:53 PM
Sharia isn't surprising or particularly terrifying. Let's see if they can have free elections, and if so, who they elect.
 
2011-10-23 07:28:50 PM
Let me see if I got this straight:

- Obama entered us into an illegal war in Libya!

- Obama had nothing to do with Qaddafi's death in Libya. The war was actually fought by France and England.

- Obama led the war that ousted Qaddafi and now there's Sharia Law!

It's fun watching Republicans pinball all over the place. They clearly haven't learned that there sometimes is value in simply admitting the president did something unequivocally good. Instead, they contradict themselves daily and flip flop all over the place.
 
2011-10-23 07:28:59 PM
"OMG, Why isn't the U.S. involved?"
"OMG, Why are we getting involved?"
"OMG, Why are we pulling out?"
"OMG, Why are we giving control to France?"
"OMG, This is taking too long!"
"Fark Yeah, Go republicans, Obama had nothing to do with this! USA! USA!"
"Oh shiat, it isn't turning into the Dominican Republic! This is all Obama's fault!"

I really do wonder how Fox News viewers don't get sea sick.
 
2011-10-23 07:30:25 PM
AppleOptionEsc: I really do wonder how Fox News viewers don't get sea sick.

You owe me a new keyboard.
 
2011-10-23 07:31:22 PM
What was wrong with the system they had before?
 
2011-10-23 07:32:19 PM
The more things change...
 
2011-10-23 07:32:44 PM
Democracy: Only good until they elect someone Americans don't like.
 
2011-10-23 07:32:45 PM
As reported by Ric Romero.

waiting for the woman's rights groups to start their protests in 3...2...1....oh never mind, they don't care about how woman are treated in countries that have oil.
 
2011-10-23 07:32:48 PM
logic523: Duh. What did people think was going to happen?

That said, Americans are way too scared of the word "Sharia". It includes a bunch of stuff that is perfectly fine, like "Don't murder" and "Don't steal". Contrary to popular American belief, Sharia law doesn't include things like "Kill all Americans".

Just like any religious doctrine, it's open to interpretation. Much will depend on who they choose to do the interpreting.


This.

It is just like here where people say the bible and the ten commandments are the basis for the law. It's what most people think and like to hear, even if it's not 100% true
 
2011-10-23 07:33:03 PM
The Judeo-Christian tradition is and remains the moral foundation of this exemplary nation. (new window)

SARAH PALIN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I have said all along that America is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and, you know, nobody has to believe me though. You can just go to our Founding Fathers' early documents and see how they crafted a Declaration of Independence and a Constitution that allows that Judeo-Christian belief to be the foundation of our lives. (new window)

Judge Hamilton and the ACLU are part of the anti-Christian cabal in America that sees the Christian majority as oppressors. These people know they can never impose their secular agenda on this country, while Judeo-Christian philosophy dominates the philosophical arena.

That's because Judeo-Christian philosophy requires judgments about wrong and right and personal behavior. The secularists deplore that. They want an open society, where anything goes, including legalized drugs, any kind of abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, and explicit images, a speech on the public airways.
(new window)

Like America back in the mid-19th century, we are a divided nation. On one side are Americans who believe we need radical change in this country, that we are not a noble nation, that our economic system has to be torn down and that the old traditions are useless. That movement is led by secular-progressives. On the other side are folks who believe that capitalism and the traditional Judeo-Christian tenets should be retained because they have made the USA the strongest country on Earth. (new window)

Both sides are bad so vote Jesus?
 
2011-10-23 07:33:33 PM
Playinodds: Thats what they want.

Or they think they do, until the old mental cases in the robes and turbans outlaw music, football, etc. Then you have Iran. All the kids hate Ahmadinnerjacket. They just want to have a normal life and a good time.
 
2011-10-23 07:33:51 PM
They roll with their invisible sky dude in charge, we roll with banks in charge.

/Interesting how sharia law prohibits usury and investment in businesses that provide goods or services is forbidden.
//Well, gee-whiz, Martha, look at that.
 
2011-10-23 07:37:25 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: They roll with their invisible sky dude in charge, we roll with banks in charge.

/Interesting how sharia law prohibits usury and investment in businesses that provide goods or services is forbidden.
//Well, gee-whiz, Martha, look at that.


You have to admit that they are on to something with the no usury law. But we like to buy stuff we can't afford.
 
2011-10-23 07:38:48 PM
ongbok: There is nothing wrong with what they are doing, just as long as they don't let crazy evil people run the show.

Here is where you haven't thought your clever plan all the way through...
 
2011-10-23 07:39:56 PM
We need to leave them alone to stew in their own religious "stuff". Just let it go and let them do whatever they want, they are going to do that anyway and we (the US) will have fewer of our people die if we stay out of this.
 
2011-10-23 07:40:34 PM
zedster:
That's because Judeo-Christian philosophy requires judgments about wrong and right and personal behavior. The secularists deplore that. They want an open society, where anything goes, including legalized drugs, any kind of abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, and explicit images, a speech on the public airways. (new window)

Like America back in the mid-19th century, we are a divided nation. On one side are Americans who believe we need radical change in this country, that we are not a noble nation, that our economic system has to be torn down and that the old traditions are useless. That movement is led by secular-progressives. On the other side are folks who believe that capitalism and the traditional Judeo-Christian tenets should be retained because they have made the USA the strongest country on Earth. (new window)


Because here in Ahmuricah, our religion allows us to rob the bejebus out of each other with nary a second thought and the legislature supports that agenda!
I dunna think so.

Oh, and this: Like America back in the mid-19th century, we are a divided nation. On one side are Americans who believe we need radical change in this country, that we are not a noble nation, that our economic system has to be torn down and that the old traditions are useless.
That was slavery.
It was a bad thing to keed humans as chattel and livestock.
 
2011-10-23 07:41:08 PM
As long as they remain a true democracy, who cares? It's their country.
 
2011-10-23 07:41:29 PM
Don't really care, but, can't understand why women would accept any rule that relegate them to have less "rights?" "value?" than a man.

Seems to be a cultural norm for any government that is founded from religious tenants. U.S. included.
 
2011-10-23 07:41:35 PM
Saddam removed from power and Iraqis elect a fundamentalist government
FARK: Wow, way to go rethuglicans. At least Saddam was secular, now Iraq is going to be run by Islamic fundamentalists. Way to fark things up, idiots. What a disaster.

Gaddafi removed from power and Libyans elect a fundamentalist government
FARK: This is a triumph of democracy! We may disagree with certain aspects of its policy, but the new Libyan government will be of the people, and that is always a good thing! It's morning in Libya!
 
2011-10-23 07:41:50 PM
make me some tea: It's their country, most of their populace are their ENTIRE population is muslim, they can do what they want with it.

Once they ran all the Jews out starting back in the 40's...
 
2011-10-23 07:41:57 PM
beerbaron: Playinodds: Thats what they want.

Or they think they do, until the old mental cases in the robes and turbans outlaw music, football, etc. Then you have Iran. All the kids hate Ahmadinnerjacket. They just want to have a normal life and a good time.


Now you have me wondering which sport you mean by "football."
 
2011-10-23 07:42:00 PM
CALIPHAAAAAATE!
No?
ok.
 
2011-10-23 07:42:06 PM
Wow, it's almost like different cultures have different legal traditions.

There's nothing to freak out about when you hear that Islamic law will be the "basic source" of law. It already was under Qaddafi. And this could go any number of ways.
 
2011-10-23 07:44:26 PM
zedster: The Judeo-Christian tradition is and remains the moral foundation of this exemplary nation. (new window)

SARAH PALIN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I have said all along that America is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and, you know, nobody has to believe me though. You can just go to our Founding Fathers' early documents and see how they crafted a Declaration of Independence and a Constitution that allows that Judeo-Christian belief to be the foundation of our lives. (new window)

Judge Hamilton and the ACLU are part of the anti-Christian cabal in America that sees the Christian majority as oppressors. These people know they can never impose their secular agenda on this country, while Judeo-Christian philosophy dominates the philosophical arena.

That's because Judeo-Christian philosophy requires judgments about wrong and right and personal behavior. The secularists deplore that. They want an open society, where anything goes, including legalized drugs, any kind of abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, and explicit images, a speech on the public airways. (new window)

Like America back in the mid-19th century, we are a divided nation. On one side are Americans who believe we need radical change in this country, that we are not a noble nation, that our economic system has to be torn down and that the old traditions are useless. That movement is led by secular-progressives. On the other side are folks who believe that capitalism and the traditional Judeo-Christian tenets should be retained because they have made the USA the strongest country on Earth. (new window)

Both sides are bad so vote Jesus?


Basically, this. We're not a theocracy and they're not going to turn into one, either.

Even if they 'did', they see us, all of the Western World, as liberators. They might hate us in ten years, but not now.

And even if they 'do' come to hate us after becoming an oppressive theocracy, they'd be no more a threat to us than Iran is. Which is to say, not at all.
 
2011-10-23 07:44:35 PM
Atillathepun: Barricaded Gunman: Uh huh... because civil rights, democracy and tolerance for other religions are the traditional hallmarks of Islamist Christian theocracy.

Sarcastic remark works that way as well.


And your point is? America isn't a theocracy, as much as some groups would wish it to be.
 
2011-10-23 07:44:41 PM
Oh, sky cake...
 
2011-10-23 07:46:42 PM
Virtual Pariah: Don't really care, but, can't understand why women would accept any rule that relegate them to have less "rights?" "value?" than a man.

Seems to be a cultural norm for any government that is founded from religious tenants. U.S. included.


Ask women from 5000 BC to 1970 why they put up with that sh*t. I don't know either.

Even today there are so many dimwitted women who are all, "I don't support feminism or anything, but I'm so mad that my boss is sexually harassing me and pays me less than my male coworker!"
 
2011-10-23 07:47:33 PM
beerbaron: Playinodds: Thats what they want.

Or they think they do, until the old mental cases in the robes and turbans outlaw music, football, etc. Then you have Iran. All the kids hate Ahmadinnerjacket. They just want to have a normal life and a good time.


...you might want to read up on modern Iranian culture (new window)
 
2011-10-23 07:47:36 PM
I'm not as up on Sharia law but have studied Jewish law fairly in depth, in both you have a council of learned men that can and do look into laws and see if they are just, enforceable and try to settle disputes in a reasonable manor. If you were alive anywhere between the 700s ce and ~1800 ce and had to choose to be tried under a religious court the Jewish and Muslim courts would be much more likely to reach a just end instead of burning you at the stake and saying you were a witch. It's only with the rise in Whabism and it's ilk that Islamic law, a fairly rich tradition, has gone off the rails and become the "zomg stone them!!!" beast it is today.
 
2011-10-23 07:47:39 PM
Virtual Pariah: Don't really care, but, can't understand why women would accept any rule that relegate them to have less "rights?" "value?" than a man.

Seems to be a cultural norm for any government that is founded from religious tenants. U.S. included.


It's been less than a hundred years since this bastion of freedom gave the other half of the population the right to vote.

And we're still dealing with institutionalized sexism in the form of lower pay for women in spite of equal work performed.

Beam, eye, mote.
 
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