Why is it that conservatives seem so partial to the "since we can't make things perfect, it's pointless to try to make them better" argument? Raising taxes on the rich won't completely erase the deficit? Then don't even try it! Regulations can't make the market or the environment perfect? End all the regulations! Eating a vegetarian diet still results in some animals being killed? Eat steak every night!

I only eat deer meat that i kill using a bow and arrow and wild dandelions...that way my impact on Gaia is small.

vegans should only eat air

Assuming I want to be ethical...

NutWrench: with the exception of the people who never leave the sacred mountain in South America

You mean Alejandro Jodorowsky?

Shut up, Pajamas Media. You are completely retarded and everything you write is entirely wrong.

/ came for the retards hating on vegans/vegetarians for no good reason
// leaving satisfied
/// while I wait for my delivery of pepperoni and sausage pizza
//// mmmmm....

You eat THOUSANDS if not tens of thousands of these every time you eat any vegetables/fruit.

/Still a vegetarian -- recognizes differences in levels of sentience.
//Took girlfriend to a Brazilian restaurant last night so she could have 14 types of meat.

True vegans don't drive cars.

haywatchthis: vegans should only eat air

Like these guys? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

If someone wants to eat only vegetables, more power to them.

It only becomes a problem when ideals are exchanged with one being "right" and the other being "wrong".

/Eats food to survive even if it used to be alive at one point
//...wait? Aren't plants living creatures?

In before the "meat is murder" pussies.

I am more stupid for having read that article.

santadog: To the smug Vegans and Vegetarians: That produce you get.. you know the ones that aren't grown in your region and probably out of season... the fuel consumption alone is more harmful than eating meat. And if you don't think something didn't die to get it here.. you are kidding yourself.

Well, except that the medical science pretty much shows a diet of more than 12% animal protein and fat increases the risk of heart disease and cancer to very dangerous levels. Not that you would ever see that in the food recommendations put out by the government, as the meat industries, dairy industries, and pharma industries have pretty much full control over what gets released and what doesn't.

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that window licker drinks milk i bet will probably grow up to be vegan

Vegans and meat eaters are both bad, that is why I am a cannibal. Sure you might argue that innocent animals had to die to feed most of the people I eat (whether they were vegan or not), but the point is that they would have caused a lot more animal deaths if I did not kill and eat them. By getting them while they are young and tender I prevent a maximum damaged to the environment (instead of going after the old ones who would die soon anyway and would not have had much chance to cause further harm anyway). I have to admit that I try for the fit an healthy ones rather than the fat McDonald kids, so I probably get a lot more vegetarians than if I picked them at random, but as the article points out you kill animals no matter what you eat.

Anyway, this is my modest proposal: eat people, it is the most ethical choice.

I recently went to Plum Bistro, a VEGAN (gasp!) restaurant in Seattle. It was really farking good! I was full, but not in a please-god-kill-me-with-a-food-baby way.

On the other hand, I LOVE the squab at Campagne.

This guy seems like a bit of a loon. The article is full of odd phrases and he just seems to be bitter at vegans...ex-girlfriend, maybe?

Seattle vegans are pretty bad though. Boycotting a restaurant due to foie gras? They are simply unaware that geese are natures Nazis...

LegacyDL: If someone wants to eat only vegetables, more power to them.

It only becomes a problem when ideals are exchanged with one being "right" and the other being "wrong".

/Eats food to survive even if it used to be alive at one point
//...wait? Aren't plants living creatures?

Life alone has very little value to most people. I think most arguments for veg*nism (* here being a stand-in for the various things that fit between veg and ism) involve sentience.

2 vertebrates per square inch? Are they standing on each other backs when the combine comes?

Gig103: Maddox covered this in 2002. Way to be on top of things...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

Two, done.

/for every link you don't post, i'm going to post three
/good thing you posted it, then

GAT_00: kxs401: Why is it that conservatives seem so partial to the "since we can't make things perfect, it's pointless to try to make them better" argument?

Because that's the basis of conservatism - to refuse to improve, to wish for a better past that didn't exist. They refuse to consider anything new, to consider improving themselves, because the unknown is scary.

Conservatives have been wrong every single time in American history. Every major debate, every fight, has always been the eventual liberal victory over conservative opposition. Slavery, civil rights, environmental protection, isolationism against fascism. Every time, the conservatives have been beaten back by basic intelligence and rightness. If conservatives had won in American history, we'd still have slavery, much less voting rights for anyone who wasn't a white male, we would have happily let Hitler conquer Europe, and we wouldn't have cleaner water today. Events like Love Canal wouldn't be a think of the past, they'd be happening every day. When it comes to the United States, conservatives are simply WRONG.

The entire world is becoming more liberal every day. Think about the hard ass ways people used to live compared to today. Even hard line countries are not as hard as they used to be, hence the world is becoming more liberal.

/hows that been working out??
//did wonders for Africa

Britney Spear's Speculum: True vegans don't drive cars.

because tires are made with animal product.

they also skip vaccinations or hormone treatments - way too much critter juice there

will no one think about the yeast in beer? it is alive

MaxSupernova: I only eat deer meat that i kill using a bow and arrow and wild dandelions...that way my impact on Gaia is small.

I live in Austin TX in a residential neighborhood, slightly above average houses everywhere, and there are deer everywhere.

I wish it were legal to hunt them via bow.

boomm: Britney Spear's Speculum: True vegans don't drive cars.

because tires are made with animal product.

they also skip vaccinations or hormone treatments - way too much critter juice there

I was thinking more of Fossil fuels. And yeah, you're right about the vaccines bit too 0_o

valkore: Nuup: //Took girlfriend to a Brazilian restaurant last night so she could have 14 types of meat.

There's a joke in here somewhere, I can just feel it...

I'm not sure what the joke could be?

Oh, I forgot to mention! There were 14 really nice waiters from different countries who serviced us. Each brought a different kind of meat.

haywatchthis: vegans should only eat air

Many years ago, a man was getting donations because he claimed he was living only on air, no food. His scheme collapsed when he was photographed going into fast food joints.

iaazathot: Well, except that the medical science pretty much shows a diet of more than 12% animal protein and fat increases the risk of heart disease and cancer to very dangerous levels. Not that you would ever see that in the food recommendations put out by the government, as the meat industries, dairy industries, and pharma industries have pretty much full control over what gets released and what doesn't.

Beer will kill off most fark'rs long before the animal protein will.

kxs401: Why is it that conservatives seem so partial to the "since we can't make things perfect, it's pointless to try to make them better" argument?

Because they rarely have any better arguments to use instead?

"They claim to not cause harm to animals"

Any vegan who claims this does not know what they are talking about. HOWEVER, being vegan certainly does result in much less death of rodents, etc. due to mechanization because they are not filtering calories through a four legged farting machine. For every 1 gram of protein you get in beef, 7 were lost in poo, inedible cowparts, motion, etc.

There are also ethical reasons in terms of the environment and food security. You can simply feed more vegans per square foot than meat eaters with less polution. That statement about some land being usable for animals but not for growing food is crap. That might apply to some areas in sahel climate in Africa. In the US if you're growing soy and corn for cows you could switch the variety and grow soy and corn for people.

Venison is great. It's nice we don't have the population density as other countries, but this is not a feasable solution to our food problems.

brap: You know you're in for an informed opinion when an article starts with "Veganism dates back to 1944..."

thats when Indian culture started don't you know

brap: I'm an omnivore but when people go full tard like this it gets my gander up.

dander1
n
1. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Zoology) small particles or scales of hair or feathers
get one's (or someone's) dander up Informal to become or cause to become annoyed or angry

Tard indeed.

santadog: To the smug Vegans and Vegetarians: That produce you get.. you know the ones that aren't grown in your region and probably out of season... the fuel consumption alone is more harmful than eating meat. And if you don't think something didn't die to get it here.. you are kidding yourself.

There is fuel consumption for transporting meat too.

Look, I'm a meat eater with no plans on changing, but lets not lie to ourselves. Eating a vegan diet results in less animals being killed, especially if everyone were to do it.

BigRightRear: The entire world is becoming more liberal every day. Think about the hard ass ways people used to live compared to today. Even hard line countries are not as hard as they used to be, hence the world is becoming more liberal.

LOL wut?