Is there any data on whether or not females who become strippers previously suffered sexual exploitation beyond statistical average?

If yes, and if the numbers are significant, then the idea of such a tax would make sense, if such sexual exploitation led to girls going into that profession as a last resort.

If no, then taxing an otherwise legal activity only serves to stigmatize that activity by associating it with the sexual exploitation of minors, and such a tax should not be implemented.

Pole tax. Why not call it an erection tax. That way it could be later expanded to include all erections in the city limits. Raise money and control population growth at the same time. This is brilliant. Susan should seek higher office immediately.

California plans it's long-term prison building based on reading scores in elementary schools. Makes sense.

it'd be nice every now and then to see lawmakers try and save money rather than coming up with ridiculous ways of taking it to pay for their dumbass ideas.

CrispFlows: So... if the legislator don't like the activity, tax the crap out of it?

I can see this being applied to tattoo shops, bars, book stores, coffee shops (laugh if you want, wait until you travel to Utah.), yard sales, lingerie shops, smoke shops - hell - if the lawmaker is crotchety enough, prom shops since it only benefits 'these damn teenagers'.

I really do not see much benefits in allowing this practice to proliferate since it is likely to become de-facto censorship and repression.

I have a different position. Activities that result in a burden on society should be taxed to an extent to pay for that burden, especially leisure activities. Patronizing strip clubs definitely falls into the leisure category, but taxes collected should be used for dealing with the ills on those in the profession, not on exploitation that is otherwise unrelated.

Those programs pay for themse-
Never mind.

TWX: Is there any data on whether or not females who become strippers previously suffered sexual exploitation beyond statistical average?

If yes, and if the numbers are significant, then the idea of such a tax would make sense, if such sexual exploitation led to girls going into that profession as a last resort.

If no, then taxing an otherwise legal activity only serves to stigmatize that activity by associating it with the sexual exploitation of minors, and such a tax should not be implemented.

Make sense? Tax the exploited to prevent exploitation? WTF?

Based upon historical patterns wouldn't this require a tax on Catholic churches?

Children are our future strippers

Taxes should go to stop problems from happening. Not putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.

I am sorry your step dad had boundary issues, here is a dollar.

They should just put a tax on lower back tats, it would accomplish the same thing.

First, they came for the strip club owners . . .

SavvyLemur: it'd be nice every now and then to see lawmakers try and save money rather than coming up with ridiculous ways of taking it to pay for their dumbass ideas.

I would really like to see this happen.

do strippers make money the same way as waiters $2.13 a hour plus tips?

Shouldn't they tax people who responsible for juveniles being sexually exploited instead of the victims themselves? The next thing you know they are going to tax rape-victims to fund rape prevention programs. This is just stupid.

haywatchthis: do strippers make money the same way as waiters $2.13 a hour plus tips?

Strippers actually have to pay for the privilege of stripping, they pay the house x amount of money which entitles them to strip for x amount of hours.

haywatchthis: do strippers make money the same way as waiters $2.13 a hour plus tips?

nope. dude, they don't even fill out W2s.

Sgt Otter:
What "burden on society?" A strip club would pay property taxes, liquor license fees, any business licenses, and collect sales tax on the drinks they serve.

I've known several current and former strippers over the years, and most were on some kind of government assistance or had been through the legal system for drug violations. Use any tax money from their work to pay for those programs for them.

We have taxes on cigarette sales to pay for the negative health ramifications of smoking and to attempt to reduce the number of children who start to smoke, where there is a definite link.

It would not be unreasonable to tax alcohol sales to pay for alcohol abuse programs.

I don't see a need to stop people from doing what they enjoy doing when the only victim is themselves, but I don't want to pay for them later when their ills have cost them. Let them pay for their ills up front. I like my alcohol, and if there were a tax increase to pay for alcohol abuse help then so be it. I don't drink enough to where such a tax would overburden me.

Hm, trying to charge extra to see boobies which should always be enjoyed for free. There is really something horribly, horribly wrong with this.

Instead of calling this a pole tax we should call it what it is a 'boob tax'. Now there is only one suitable form of protest against this highly sexist tax, to show that boobies can and always should remain free for men (and those women) to enjoy. Protest away Farkettes and help show what an absurd idea this.

EIP

haywatchthis: do strippers make money the same way as waiters $2.13 a hour plus tips?

Strippers only make tips. Plus, they owe a cut to the house mom and the owner of the establishment.

aagrajag: Make sense? Tax the exploited to prevent exploitation? WTF?

You're not taxing the exploited, you're taxing the beneficiary of a leisure activity, the customer. You only bother to tax if the customer is benefiting from demonstrated exploitation anyway.

If there's no link between sexual exploitation of minors and stripping, you don't tax stripping.

Is anyone really naive enough to believe that any money collected is going to go toward any anti-sex exploitation program? The money will be "borrowed" out of that fund into the general fund or some such thing and will disappear.
The state can tax the gentlemen clubs because the majority of the citizenry would not dare enter the doors of those sin palaces and feel that the cretins that do slink into the dark halls of depravity should be punished for their exploiting of the young ladies that are being forced to perform disgusting deeds.

/Sorry, got carried away there

As a former drive/bouncer for strippers I can tell you first hand that around 3/4 of the strippers I got to know personally were sexually abused when they were children.

TravisBickle62: haywatchthis: do strippers make money the same way as waiters $2.13 a hour plus tips?

Strippers actually have to pay for the privilege of stripping, they pay the house x amount of money which entitles them to strip for x amount of hours.

Correct.

jdmac: As a former drive/bouncer for strippers I can tell you first hand that around 3/4 of the strippers I got to know personally were sexually abused when they were children.

Hell yeah .....

i want to open a strip club

I'm willing to exploit your minors for free.

More Taxes = More Patriotism

Doesn't really seem fair to make an industry pay for it's own demise.

itsfullofstars: California plans it's long-term prison building based on reading scores in elementary schools. Makes sense.

What you said seems to be an urban legend.

Source?

Most of the strippers I have known were forced to service 190-330 men in a single night, it was 36 hours of non-stop farking, and then they had to do a day shift which involved farm animals, the horrors these girls have to endure is beyond belief.

TravisBickle62: Most of the strippers I have known were forced to service 190-330 men in a single night, it was 36 hours of non-stop farking, and then they had to do a day shift which involved farm animals, the horrors these girls have to endure is beyond belief.

Many were forced to ... to ... kiss and fondle other women.

/oh, the horror

I actually have an idea better than that to help combat juvenile sexual exploitation. Since there always seems to be legal age of consent arguments whenever a cop or politician is caught with their pants down, then fine, have it your way. I would simply pass a law that would immediately exempt non custodial parents from having to pay child support, if the child is arrested or formally punished in school for anything involving sex where it is proven that the "young adult" was a willing participant.

The problem with the current laws is that they solve nothing. Anyone who is still collecting child support, their children falls under the juvenile court system normally. I say if you really want to see change, positive change, then you must attack the legal definitions that protect against accountability...and that is just a beaurocratic pen stroke away.

Seems like a better source would be taxing Catholic churches $5 for each person that attends their services. They seem to have a higher percentage of juvenile sexual explorations than average.

CrispFlows: So... if the legislator don't like the activity, tax the crap out of it?

I can see this being applied to tattoo shops, bars, book stores, coffee shops (laugh if you want, wait until you travel to Utah.), yard sales, lingerie shops, smoke shops - hell - if the lawmaker is crotchety enough, prom shops since it only benefits 'these damn teenagers'.

I really do not see much benefits in allowing this practice to proliferate since it is likely to become de-facto censorship and repression.

Pretty much this. It also allows legislators to hide taxes and increase them without true oversight.

If it's worth it to us for the government to do, then it's worth us ALL paying for the government to do it.

EditorialSpace: I would simply pass a law that would immediately exempt non custodial parents from having to pay child support, if the child is arrested or formally punished in school for anything involving sex where it is proven that the "young adult" was a willing participant.

Thanks, Dad. Now I'll have to do homework.

TravisBickle62: Most of the strippers I have known were forced to service 190-330 men in a single night, it was 36 hours of non-stop farking, and then they had to do a day shift which involved farm animals, the horrors these girls have to endure is beyond belief.

It's just another sin tax. But this time the politicians are wrapping it around fighting the sexual exploitation of children because they know that no one wants to appear to be against this just cause.

And in a similar vein, cops will be texed to create a pool of money to pay victims of police brutality. This would save taxpayers millions.

They should stop trying to tax small business owners; even when the business' assets consist of a pair of bolt-ons and a willingness to grind against dudes who have went cork up.

So she wants to put a tax in place to force victims of sexual abuse to give up their legal jobs and start walking the streets. At least, that's how I see it. Didn't read the second page of the article because the first really pissed me off. This lady is an idiot. She needs to spend a few weeks working as a chaplain in a hospital or get some training as a social worker or therapist so she can understand the whole "cause and effect" thing.

I'd like to buy some juvenile sexual exploitation programs myself...

TravisBickle62: jdmac: As a former drive/bouncer for strippers I can tell you first hand that around 3/4 of the strippers I got to know personally were sexually abused when they were children.

Hell yeah .....

i loled too hard at this

/one ticket, window seat please

TWX: CrispFlows: So... if the legislator don't like the activity, tax the crap out of it?

I can see this being applied to tattoo shops, bars, book stores, coffee shops (laugh if you want, wait until you travel to Utah.), yard sales, lingerie shops, smoke shops - hell - if the lawmaker is crotchety enough, prom shops since it only benefits 'these damn teenagers'.

I really do not see much benefits in allowing this practice to proliferate since it is likely to become de-facto censorship and repression.

I have a different position. Activities that result in a burden on society should be taxed to an extent to pay for that burden, especially leisure activities. Patronizing strip clubs definitely falls into the leisure category, but taxes collected should be used for dealing with the ills on those in the profession, not on exploitation that is otherwise unrelated.

How exactly is adult women removing their clothes in a private venue for other consenting adults a societal burden. Can you quantify that burden? Can you provide at least one example where a strip club is burdening society? Maybe you notice something in the bailout bills that I missed? Where there funds between the auto manufacturer and mortgage industry for the Muddy Beaver that the news has kept hush hush?

Maybe I'm confused and you're talking about the ills commonly associated with strip clubs, stripper occupational hazards if you will. What are those hazards that you think the public should pay for? Their choice to become drug addicts? Their terrible decision making when it comes to men? The inevitable back strain from elective breast implants? Honestly, I lack the "thought" processes to guess what you think all the problems created by strip clubs might be.