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(The Day) Dumbass Newt Gingrich shows off his understanding of the structure of American government by saying that as President, he'd order one of his advisor to ignore Supreme Court rulings   (theday.com) divider line 193
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2011-10-23 04:41:20 AM
"I would instruct the national security official in a Gingrich administration to ignore the Supreme Court on issues of national security," he told the conservatives gathering at the Values Voters Summit.

The party of law and order.
 
2011-10-23 04:54:30 AM
Newt is the Republican equivalent of John Edwards. I'm pretty sure he won't be sitting in the Oval Office...
 
2011-10-23 06:28:56 AM
Hasn't Obama ordered the Justice Dept to not enforce laws that Obama disagrees with?
 
2011-10-23 06:37:00 AM
MeinRS6: Hasn't Obama ordered the Justice Dept to not enforce laws that Obama disagrees with?

The Justice Dept. is a part of the Executive Branch, which Obama leads. The Supreme Court is part of the Judicial Branch, which the President can only nominate people to run.

Does that help you?

/this ninth-grade civics lesson shouldn't be necessary to American adults, but you are a right-winger, so I understand your confusion about how government works.
 
2011-10-23 07:53:37 AM
Confabulat: MeinRS6: Hasn't Obama ordered the Justice Dept to not enforce laws that Obama disagrees with?

The Justice Dept. is a part of the Executive Branch, which Obama leads. The Supreme Court is part of the Judicial Branch, which the President can only nominate people to run.

Does that help you?

/this ninth-grade civics lesson shouldn't be necessary to American adults, but you are a right-winger, so I understand your confusion about how government works.


You need to read the article again, sweetheart.
 
2011-10-23 09:49:47 AM
damn that was a whole lot of stupid.
 
2011-10-23 09:50:31 AM
MeinRS6: Hasn't Obama ordered the Justice Dept to not enforce laws that Obama disagrees with?

Actually, they have been ordered to enforce the law (which is, er, the law), but not contest it if it comes up at the court. Which is actually very respectful of the law.
 
2011-10-23 09:50:40 AM
MeinRS6: Right. Talking about what the president does is silly compared to Farklibs that obsess about Palin 24/7.

Ummmm... I think many of the President's supporters, on this board and out in the real world, complain pretty loudly about GITMO, Afghanistan, not breaking up the banks into smaller pieces, giving in on the tax cuts for the top 1%, NOT ignoring laws and going after pot dispensaries...

We see his faults and address them. We can also see that he can't get half that sh*t done because the Senate requires 60 votes and when he did talk about GITMO the people you seem to love were screaming about how the terrorists were going to break out of SuperMax prisons to rape and murder our children. Not to mention the tax "debate". All or nothing from the Republicans.

So, let's address Newt. He's such an inglorious cum dumpster that he doesn't even have a legitimate campaign staff. He writes "history" books about how Jesus won the Revolution. The sonofab*tch can't even stand by his own words that Republicans went too far in their railing against Social Security. He's a weak sack of sh*t, and that's really the point here.

But, let's talk about how everyone blindly loves Obama and never criticizes his actions. That's a much better narrative, right?
 
2011-10-23 09:52:42 AM
Nice to see that you're all giving the troll the attention he so desperately desires.
 
2011-10-23 09:53:50 AM
And a citation (new window) in case the (f)right winger wants it.

"DOMA will continue to remain in effect unless Congress repeals it or there is a final judicial finding that strikes it down," Holder said Wednesday, "and the president has informed me that the Executive Branch will continue to enforce the law."
 
2011-10-23 09:54:39 AM
lohphat: "I would instruct the national security official in a Gingrich administration to ignore the Supreme Court on issues of national security," he told the conservatives gathering at the Values Voters Summit.

The party of law and order.


Laws and orders are only for the mundanes, in Republican minds.
 
2011-10-23 09:57:00 AM
"The same forces that have caused Americans to lose trust in the presidency and Congress appear to be affecting the way Americans view the Supreme Court"

Yea, it's called conservatism. Every corner of governance is now infected with radical ideologues.
 
2011-10-23 09:57:23 AM
Dwight_Yeast: Nice to see that you're all giving the troll the attention he so desperately desires.

Too bad its not the attention he deserves. Hard to transmit a swift kick in the ass over the internet, though.
 
2011-10-23 09:58:08 AM
In before b-b-but Obam...

Aw shiat.
 
2011-10-23 09:59:17 AM
SilentStrider: Too bad its not the attention he deserves. Hard to transmit a swift kick in the ass over the internet, though.

I recommend the Ignore feature. Trolls thrive on attention; take that away from them and they have nothing.
 
2011-10-23 10:01:26 AM
MeinRS6: Confabulat: The Justice Dept. is a part of the Executive Branch, which Obama leads. The Supreme Court is part of the Judicial Branch, which the President can only nominate people to run....this ninth-grade civics lesson shouldn't be necessary to American adults, but you are a right-winger, so I understand your confusion about how government works.

You need to read the article again, sweetheart.


[reads article]

Nope. Everything in the article simply reinforces Confabulat's basic point, which you of course had to ignore, because you can't possibly refute it. In particular, s/he's dead on about the larger inability of right-wingers to understand the separation of powers and judicial review, as in: "Reps. Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, businessman Herman Cain and former senator Rick Santorum have all denounced the court and offered solutions, such as banning it from reviewing certain topics and allowing Congress to cast aside its rulings." While Congress can address issues the SCOTUS wants it to or propose a Constitutional Amendment to overturn specific rulings, it cannot simply ignore the Court. Neither can the Executive Branch. In fact, the Judicial branch has a tool with which to order specific enforcement if asked: the Writ of Mandamus.
 
2011-10-23 10:01:53 AM
MeinRS6: Hasn't Obama ordered the Justice Dept to not enforce laws that Obama disagrees with?

When an executive (President or Governor) orders that laws not be enforced, he's abrogating the powers of the legislative branch--saying that statutory law doesn't reflect the will of the people. As long as the people agree with him, he's safe. That's the political process in a free democracy at work: the people will either vote him out of office for not enforcing it or agree that the law didn't need to be enforced, and vote out of office officials who would enforce it.

The Supreme Court, on the other hand, is not meant to issue rulings by whim of the American people, but by reason and stare decisis. It engages in statutory interpretation (ruling on what the law says, which can be overturned by Congress) and judicial review (declaring that the government does or doesn't have the power to do something, which can be overturned by constitutional amendment). Ignoring a ruling on the first brings you back to my first paragraph; ignoring a ruling on the second means the government is taking power it doesn't have. Very different situations.
 
2011-10-23 10:02:08 AM
Fortunately, we really don't have to worry about any President Gingriches provoking a constitutional showdown any time soon.
 
2011-10-23 10:02:47 AM
Tor_Eckman: In before b-b-but Obam...

Aw shiat.


Let's try this one.

B-b-but Andrew Jackson...
 
2011-10-23 10:02:57 AM
Dwight_Yeast: SilentStrider: Too bad its not the attention he deserves. Hard to transmit a swift kick in the ass over the internet, though.

I recommend the Ignore feature. Trolls thrive on attention; take that away from them and they have nothing.


i53.tinypic.com
 
2011-10-23 10:04:44 AM
Why is it the only republican candidates showing any respect for the constitutional underpinnings of this nation are the cultists? Maybe you bible thumpers should rethink your allegiance to supply side Jesus and pick up a copy of the Book of Mormon.
 
2011-10-23 10:06:51 AM
Newt, you so crazy.
 
2011-10-23 10:07:30 AM
As much as I dislike Gingrich on a personal level, he made an interesting point here.

Here he is on Face the Nation (new window) giving Bob Schieffer a lesson on the division of powers which, contrary to Schieffer's opinion, does not grant the Supreme Court primacy over the other branches.
 
2011-10-23 10:07:43 AM
Ah, I was wondering why there were supposed to be 27 comments, and only 15 were showing. Y'all don't have Minors Sex on ignore yet? It's really easy, and nothing of value will be lost to you.
 
2011-10-23 10:07:51 AM
NewportBarGuy: Dwight_Yeast: SilentStrider: Too bad its not the attention he deserves. Hard to transmit a swift kick in the ass over the internet, though.

I recommend the Ignore feature. Trolls thrive on attention; take that away from them and they have nothing.

[i53.tinypic.com image 450x273]


ZOMG! SNOOPY FOR REALZ!!
 
2011-10-23 10:11:53 AM
On national security issues the SC has historically given the executive branch almost completely the benefit of the doubt. Newt is just making up a problem that doesn't exist.
 
2011-10-23 10:12:09 AM
"I would instruct the national security official in a Gingrich administration to ignore the Supreme Court on issues of national security," he told the conservatives gathering at the Values Voters Summit."

All talk no action.
 
2011-10-23 10:12:33 AM
MeinRS6: NEDM: MeinRS6

Haven't you gotten bored yet? I mean, all you do is go on and on about Obama. Obama Obama, Obama. Jeez, it's like you're infatuated with him or somethi-

Right. Talking about what the president does is silly compared to Farklibs that obsess about Palin 24/7.


Who?
 
2011-10-23 10:14:02 AM
That's it. I am now totally convinced there is a GOP slush fund that is paying for flaming idiots like Newtie and Bachmann to run, in order to make their chosen candidate look good by comparison and divert attention from his own gaffes.

Hell, they're probably paying Cain too.
 
2011-10-23 10:15:41 AM
Gonz: Ah, I was wondering why there were supposed to be 27 comments, and only 15 were showing. Y'all don't have Minors Sex on ignore yet? It's really easy, and nothing of value will be lost to you.

I just added him after about 8 of the first 10 comments were his idiocy or someone responding to it. The thread went from 32 to 19 comments. I don't know why I waited this long.
 
2011-10-23 10:36:49 AM
Well, it's not like he reads ANY legal documents -- his marriage license(s), the constitution, the lawsuit against the LASIK doctor who gave his wife those Manson Lamps.
 
2011-10-23 10:38:00 AM
I wish Newtie enjoyed giving oral as much as he loves getting oral. He'd never say another word.

And Newt Gingrich doesn't compare to any other past presidential candidate because every other one of them would have had the decency, once forced to resign both their seat in the House and their office of Speaker of the House, to retire from politics. The other guys' had a sense of shame, even as politicians.

Newtie only has a sense of himself. Oh, and a sense of his penis.
 
2011-10-23 10:42:20 AM
RolandGunner: As much as I dislike Gingrich on a personal level, he made an interesting point here.

Here he is on Face the Nation (new window) giving Bob Schieffer a lesson on the division of powers which, contrary to Schieffer's opinion, does not grant the Supreme Court primacy over the other branches.


Isn't it funny how conservatives claim that they are strict constructionists while they are trying to use the power of judicial review that is strictly not in the Constitution to nullify laws that they disagree with?
 
2011-10-23 10:44:37 AM
He's whining about "The Roberts Court?" Wasn't John Roberts appointed by Bush 43?

Yep. Wat.
 
2011-10-23 10:52:19 AM
In a recent thread someone posted an excellent "Newt Gingrich" Fark label that had nothing but Callista's eyes on it. I can't find it or I'd post it in here.
 
2011-10-23 10:56:58 AM
Serious Black: RolandGunner: As much as I dislike Gingrich on a personal level, he made an interesting point here.

Here he is on Face the Nation (new window) giving Bob Schieffer a lesson on the division of powers which, contrary to Schieffer's opinion, does not grant the Supreme Court primacy over the other branches.

Isn't it funny how conservatives claim that they are strict constructionists while they are trying to use the power of judicial review that is strictly not in the Constitution to nullify laws that they disagree with?


To be fair, there is one Republican candidate who wants to remove federal court review due to SCOTUS rulings he disagrees with.

It's RON PAUL and the subject is abortion law. He proudly announces on his own Issues web page that he wants to amend the Constitution to remove ALL federal court review on ALL abortion laws because he can't find any other way to reverse Roe v. Wade. He can't get his religion into law any other way so, for him, the ends justify the means.
 
2011-10-23 10:57:16 AM
Gonz: Ah, I was wondering why there were supposed to be 27 comments, and only 15 were showing. Y'all don't have Minors Sex on ignore yet? It's really easy, and nothing of value will be lost to you.

I've got a massive ignore list at this point and he did get picked up with the rest of the trash around here. This is a pretty civil thread thanks to the trusty ignore list.
 
2011-10-23 10:59:23 AM
The American democratic experiment is nearly over. It had a good run, but the government's been bought out and the electorate no longer has any stomach for the whole thing. I give it twenty years, maybe.
 
2011-10-23 11:02:47 AM
Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Gonz: Ah, I was wondering why there were supposed to be 27 comments, and only 15 were showing. Y'all don't have Minors Sex on ignore yet? It's really easy, and nothing of value will be lost to you.

I've got a massive ignore list at this point and he did get picked up with the rest of the trash around here. This is a pretty civil thread thanks to the trusty ignore list.



Same here.

Contrary opinions are always welcome. But utter stooopidity will be shown the door.
 
2011-10-23 11:04:18 AM
PanicMan: On national security issues the SC has historically given the executive branch almost completely the benefit of the doubt. Newt is just making up a problem that doesn't exist.

I kinda assumed he was (indirectly) addressing the fact that we continue to hold foreign nationals as prisoners without trial, and that Newt would like to continue to do so, even though the Supremes would undoubtedly find that they get equal protection under the law and have to be given fair trials in American courts (as the current president attempted to do).
 
2011-10-23 11:06:03 AM
So all the Republican candidates are fanning the anti-gubm'nt flames during the primaries. What a shock. Thankfully, reality has a liberal bias.

fta "First and foremost, the Supreme Court enjoys a great deal more confidence than does Congress and the federal government," Gibson found.
 
2011-10-23 11:06:19 AM
The left would throw out the entire constitution out of spite if it would piss off Gingrich or any generic conservative.


Party Uber Alles.....

/Take my wife property and papers, please
 
2011-10-23 11:07:51 AM
Officially, it is Congress that can tell the Supreme Court to stuff it. They have the power to veto any ruling, though I'm not sure it has ever been done.
 
2011-10-23 11:11:57 AM
TheGreatGazoo: Officially, it is Congress that can tell the Supreme Court to stuff it. They have the power to veto any ruling, though I'm not sure it has ever been done.

Where on Earth did you get that notion? The Supreme Court rules based on the Constitution, which means the only way Congress can undo one of their rulings is to change the Constitution. That's why Bush Sr promised a flag-burning amendment in 1992.
 
2011-10-23 11:12:55 AM
Giltric: The left would throw out the entire constitution out of spite if it would piss off Gingrich or any generic conservative.


Party Uber Alles.....

/Take my wife property and papers, please


We have two penalties on the play.

False equivalency and BSABSVR.

The false equivalency is accepted.

15 yard penalty from the spot and loss of down.
 
2011-10-23 11:13:22 AM
Remember folks, this guy is considered an intellectual by the Republican Party.
 
2011-10-23 11:15:03 AM
Newt Gingrich is a psychopath and shouldn't be allowed even the slightest chance at the power of the Presidency. This coming from someone who wants Cain, Perry, Bachmann, or surprise re-entrance Trump to get the GOP nod.
 
2011-10-23 11:15:17 AM
www.oyez.org

As someone who has listened through a hundred supreme court arguments just for fun (yes, I'm that geeky about the law), I've found a decent respect for the Supreme court, certainly more than I have for most politicians. Yes, on big issues they tend to revert back to their pre-conceived, ideologue notions, but by-and-large these are smart people dealing with the complexity and nuance of the law on a very high level, unlike politicians who offer dumbed-down, one sentence solutions to complicated issues.

The whole "appointed for life" thing might need changing, but other than that I have far less beef with the Supreme Court than I do with Congress or the President.
 
2011-10-23 11:21:11 AM
RolandGunner: As much as I dislike Gingrich on a personal level, he made an interesting point here.

Here he is on Face the Nation (new window) giving Bob Schieffer a lesson on the division of powers which, contrary to Schieffer's opinion, does not grant the Supreme Court primacy over the other branches.


I saw that. Newt is much more intelligent than most farkers would like to admit. It's just that they disagree with him, therefore he's an idiot.
 
2011-10-23 11:21:49 AM
Virtuoso80: The whole "appointed for life" thing might need changing, but other than that I have far less beef with the Supreme Court than I do with Congress or the President.

I have a feeling that we may see more and more Court members retire as Souter did, to pursue other options and make money in the private sector.

/A close friends' parents are both judges. Her father is hitting the age limit for his position this year and stepping down from a six-figure government job to take a seven-figure job in the private sector.
//Don't think we should impose an age limit on the Supremes
///But some tend to stay past their sell-by date.
 
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