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(Talking Points Memo) Fail Turns out, Tennessee's Voter ID law is so strict, it won't allow a 91 year-old woman to get an ID because she couldn't stand in line for hours at the DMV   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 206
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2011-10-23 12:15:02 AM
Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?
 
2011-10-23 12:30:54 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.
 
2011-10-23 12:48:38 AM
cmunic8r99: Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.


Makes me thankful that Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state.
 
2011-10-23 02:14:13 AM
Bathia_Mapes: cmunic8r99: Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.

Makes me thankful that Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state.


explain to me why all states are not required to be vote-by-mail for federal elections?
FFS, for ALL elections?!! this pretty much solves a shiat ton of the problems which we have with elections.

whoops, guess neither party actually wants to solve those problems.
voter turnout? HAHAHA no problem. everyone got their ballot.

I wonder how hard would it be to get illinois to go vote-by-mail.
Maybe just the city.

the cost savings alone should justify doing it.
 
2011-10-23 02:16:02 AM
cmunic8r99: Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.


why isnt EVERYONE eligible? seriously.
farktards
 
2011-10-23 02:26:18 AM
namatad: Bathia_Mapes: cmunic8r99: Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.

Makes me thankful that Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state.

explain to me why all states are not required to be vote-by-mail for federal elections?
FFS, for ALL elections?!! this pretty much solves a shiat ton of the problems which we have with elections.

whoops, guess neither party actually wants to solve those problems.
voter turnout? HAHAHA no problem. everyone got their ballot.

I wonder how hard would it be to get illinois to go vote-by-mail.
Maybe just the city.

the cost savings alone should justify doing it.


Oregon is 100% vote-by-mail for all elections, federal, state & local. We had a limited version prior to 1998 for mostly special elections, but since 1998 all election ballots are by mail. Being able to vote at home & then mail in your ballot seems to encourage more people to vote too.

I agree, this system should be adopted by all states, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.
 
2011-10-23 02:43:19 AM
the issue here is that we are still standing at the dmv. they need to give you one of those little tickets with a letter and a number, some decent bench to sit on, then call it when a lane opens up. that's like a 1920's innovation.
 
2011-10-23 02:43:32 AM
Her vote would've been wasted when she voted for Woodrow WIlson.
 
2011-10-23 02:44:48 AM
Pretty sure not having seats for the elderly/disabled at the DMV is a massive violation of ADA laws.
 
2011-10-23 02:48:23 AM
Too bad she couldn't get some kind of volunteer help her with this.
 
2011-10-23 02:52:37 AM
Mr. Potatoass: Too bad she couldn't get some kind of volunteer help her with this.

to
 
2011-10-23 02:56:28 AM
Hey, as long as less black and poor people vote (for Democrats), that means we can get this country back on track...

To financial ruin so that wealthy employers can force through legislation that benefits them, stripping all hard-won 20th-century workers' rights and we can be a nation of serfs blithely serving a very small oligarchy of wealthy people. For Jesus. Also, too.
 
2011-10-23 02:57:07 AM
Just wit for the voter feedback from Alabama. These poor people can't get their new license tags without personally showing up and showing proof of citizenship.. The lines are going to be long, and there already PO'd

/Sorry I know slightly wrong thread , but state laws, heh
 
2011-10-23 02:58:29 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Oregon is 100% vote-by-mail for all elections, federal, state & local. We had a limited version prior to 1998 for mostly special elections, but since 1998 all election ballots are by mail. Being able to vote at home & then mail in your ballot seems to encourage more people to vote too.

I agree, this system should be adopted by all states, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future


last time I was in portland I got to see one of the ballots (FFS, one of the original ballots)
all I could think was, this is an idea who times has come. now for the rest of us to enter the 20th century.
 
2011-10-23 02:59:46 AM
relcec: the issue here is that we are still standing at the dmv. they need to give you one of those little tickets with a letter and a number, some decent bench to sit on, then call it when a lane opens up. that's like a 1920's innovation.

LOL
cant believe that they have FINALLY done this at the illinois DMV. figured that we would be the LAST to change. actually makes going to the DMV, easy ???? WTF
 
2011-10-23 03:00:48 AM
Why is this a Fail?
It keeps the poor and non-Whites from voting. That's the point of the law
 
2011-10-23 03:01:41 AM
So...nobody would like...voluntarily give up their seat for the 91 year old lady? I find that pretty hard to believe. There isn't one dad elbowing his 15 year old son and telling him to get the fark up for her?

This story sounds either fake or more an indictment of the manners of the people of Tennessee than of their voting laws.
 
2011-10-23 03:02:14 AM
pisceandreamer: Pretty sure not having seats for the elderly/disabled at the DMV is a massive violation of ADA laws.

maybe they just didn't have enough?
 
2011-10-23 03:02:39 AM
Old people should not be allowed to vote. They will be dead before the issues they vote on go into action and they have no clue as to what should be done in modern times.

/OccupyLawns
 
2011-10-23 03:05:59 AM
Only Democrats would biatch about a voter ID law that requires voters to be who they say they are.
 
2011-10-23 03:12:06 AM
Bathia_Mapes: namatad: Bathia_Mapes: cmunic8r99: Bathia_Mapes: Tennessee doesn't offer absentee ballots?

They do, she's eligible (pops), and no photo ID is required (PDF) for it.

Makes me thankful that Oregon is a 100% vote-by-mail state.

explain to me why all states are not required to be vote-by-mail for federal elections?
FFS, for ALL elections?!! this pretty much solves a shiat ton of the problems which we have with elections.

whoops, guess neither party actually wants to solve those problems.
voter turnout? HAHAHA no problem. everyone got their ballot.

I wonder how hard would it be to get illinois to go vote-by-mail.
Maybe just the city.

the cost savings alone should justify doing it.

Oregon is 100% vote-by-mail for all elections, federal, state & local. We had a limited version prior to 1998 for mostly special elections, but since 1998 all election ballots are by mail. Being able to vote at home & then mail in your ballot seems to encourage more people to vote too.

I agree, this system should be adopted by all states, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.


Do you have to request the ballots or are they automatically sent to you?

I'm not sure I want more people voting if it's the ones that can't be bothered to find out when elections are or drive a few miles at most to a poll station now.
 
2011-10-23 03:15:30 AM
fark her, she can't drive. Why should I want her to vote. Plus, she's probably one of those "old racists" certainly not the type of person I want voting.
 
2011-10-23 03:15:43 AM
Not one of the hundred would give up their seat for an old lady?
So much for southern hospitality.
 
2011-10-23 03:17:27 AM
Lsherm: Only Democrats would biatch about a voter ID law that requires voters to be who they say they are.

Derp or Troll? You decide.
 
2011-10-23 03:17:45 AM
Lane83: Hey, as long as less black and poor people vote (for Democrats), that means we can get this country back on track...

To financial ruin so that wealthy employers can force through legislation that benefits them, stripping all hard-won 20th-century workers' rights and we can be a nation of serfs blithely serving a very small oligarchy of wealthy people. For Jesus. Also, too.


This is exactly it, several states have recently enacted similar laws and when you get down to it, its just voter suppression. Here in WI they recently passed something like this. Then they decided to close a bunch of DMV branches (in poorer neighborhoods of course). And to top it all off, the DMV employees arent allowed to tell people they can get their voter ID for free. Its just sickening.

I really hope that koch puppet walker gets recalled...
 
2011-10-23 03:21:34 AM
I don't see the problem. Real AmericansTM should be the only ones voting, anyway.
 
2011-10-23 03:22:12 AM
Outrage, how does it work?
 
2011-10-23 03:27:18 AM
yarnothuntin: fark her, she can't drive. Why should I want her to vote. Plus, she's probably one of those "old racists" certainly not the type of person I want voting.

You can't use punctuation. Why should I want you to live? Apples and oranges, friend. ;)
 
2011-10-23 03:30:51 AM
Oh look, cherry picking instances, how nice.

Get an ID to vote, the only people who are opposed to this are people who want people to be able to vote without proving who the hell they are.

Oh and while we're at it I support a program to have election officials head around to nursing homes and have them let seniors fill out ballots. Their medical records will be enough to prove who they are.

What's that? Why would the AARP be opposed this? Oh because they are willing to do this 'for free', I wonder why... No way they could possibly be doing anything underhanded.
 
2011-10-23 03:31:30 AM
I think there should be a maximum voting age. Like age 75.

How can you vote for the future of your country when you aren't going to be here?
 
2011-10-23 03:39:17 AM
Ishkur: I think there should be a maximum voting age. Like age 75.

How can you vote for the future of your country when you aren't going to be here?


This thread is full of sarcasm and not-sarcasm, I can't tell if you're serious or not.
 
2011-10-23 03:39:57 AM
Democrats are the champion of universal voting rights?! Next I suppose you'll tell me they want to promote gun ownership.
 
2011-10-23 03:43:14 AM
namatad: Bathia_Mapes: Oregon is 100% vote-by-mail for all elections, federal, state & local. We had a limited version prior to 1998 for mostly special elections, but since 1998 all election ballots are by mail. Being able to vote at home & then mail in your ballot seems to encourage more people to vote too.

I agree, this system should be adopted by all states, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future

last time I was in portland I got to see one of the ballots (FFS, one of the original ballots)
all I could think was, this is an idea who times has come. now for the rest of us to enter the 20th century.


www.joanquick.com

Exactly. You fill out the ballot, It goes into the ballot secrecy envelope (top right), which goes into the envelope shown in the lower right hand side of the photo. You have to sign that envelope, slap on a postage stamp & mail by the deadline date. If you miss the deadline for mailing, all Department of Election offices have drop-off boxes, plus others located around each county.
 
2011-10-23 03:45:33 AM
Commonwealth of Kostemetsia: yarnothuntin: fark her, she can't drive. Why should I want her to vote. Plus, she's probably one of those "old racists" certainly not the type of person I want voting.

You can't use punctuation. Why should I want you to live? Apples and oranges, friend. ;)


"Apples and oranges" as in these two things can not possibly be compared? I'm guessing the SAT was not kind to you.
 
2011-10-23 03:47:59 AM
Pancoaifo: Do you have to request the ballots or are they automatically sent to you?

Once you register to vote, they're automatically sent to you, along with a voter's pamphlet listing all measures & candidates being voted on for that particular election.

If you move, you have to re-register to vote, but that's easy. The post office has the forms for that along with the post office change of address forms.
 
2011-10-23 03:58:48 AM
Fark that ol' biddy. She was prolly just gonna vote dimocrat anyway.
 
2011-10-23 04:03:27 AM
Ishkur:

> I think there should be a maximum voting age. Like age 75.

Old people voting are one of the major forces behind the political disasters in the past decades (Reagan, Bush, Bush ...).

I say, once you reach retirement age, once you no longer contribute to society, you're not allowed to vote anymore.

There are reasons why there is a minimum voting age. These same reasons can be used to justify a maximum voting age.
 
2011-10-23 04:08:36 AM
Gaylord Fister: There are reasons why there is a minimum voting age. These same reasons can be used to justify a maximum voting age.

Okay, no, they cannot. The only way you can justify this is if you believe that every human is a sociopath, or that after 75 years they become sociopaths.
 
2011-10-23 04:17:01 AM
starsrift:

This man will explain it to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd5_nTwLVEg&feature=player_detailpage# t =46s
 
2011-10-23 04:18:30 AM
See, Tennesee, You gonna need help with this whi=ole voting thing. No offense
 
2011-10-23 04:25:23 AM
starsrift: Gaylord Fister: There are reasons why there is a minimum voting age. These same reasons can be used to justify a maximum voting age.

Okay, no, they cannot. The only way you can justify this is if you believe that every human is a sociopath, or that after 75 years they become sociopaths.


starsrift: Gaylord Fister: There are reasons why there is a minimum voting age. These same reasons can be used to justify a maximum voting age.

Okay, no, they cannot. The only way you can justify this is if you believe that every human is a sociopath, or that after 75 years they become sociopaths.


The ideal future for a 75 year old is making things the way they used to be (even though that's not possible). And all their decisions are based on the fear of losing what they have.
 
2011-10-23 04:29:06 AM
Gaylord Fister: Ishkur:

> I think there should be a maximum voting age. Like age 75.

Old people voting are one of the major forces behind the political disasters in the past decades (Reagan, Bush, Bush ...).

I say, once you reach retirement age, once you no longer contribute to society, you're not allowed to vote anymore.

There are reasons why there is a minimum voting age. These same reasons can be used to justify a maximum voting age.


Then I suggest that you EABOD ESAD DIAF and go to Hell and die. You sound like a butt hurt generation whine er I mean Y.
 
2011-10-23 04:39:41 AM
Okay, so we've gone from "Old people shouldn't vote because they don't care anything that happens after they die" to "old people shouldn't vote because they tend to have conservative opinions".

That's really pulling a page from the GOP's bible: "It's okay when we do it".
 
2011-10-23 04:45:14 AM
browntimmy: I THINK The ideal future for a 75 year old is making things the way they used to be (even though that's not possible). And all their decisions are based on the fear of losing what they have.

FTFA
 
2011-10-23 04:49:17 AM
starsrift: Okay, no, they cannot. The only way you can justify this is if you believe that every human is a sociopath, or that after 75 years they become sociopaths.

So the only way you can justify a minimum voting age if you believe that all minors are sociopaths and somehow stop being sociopaths on their 18th birthday?

I really have trouble coming up with a reason children aren't allowed to vote that, if the same reasoning were applied to another group, wouldn't sound racist/sexist/etc.
 
2011-10-23 04:51:08 AM
rfeick0: Lsherm: Only Democrats would biatch about a voter ID law that requires voters to be who they say they are.

Derp or Troll? You decide.


People troll with the truth usually since the truth is usually what gets a rise out of people as it hurts them.

Derp is usually a bunch of nonsense, gibberish, and farkage.

So I will go with troll.
 
2011-10-23 04:52:16 AM
profplump: I really have trouble coming up with a reason children aren't allowed to vote that, if the same reasoning were applied to another group, wouldn't sound racist/sexist/etc.

By example - I've never heard a six year old give a reasoned argument for their stance on abortion, a prevalent political issue of our time.
 
2011-10-23 04:53:21 AM
profplump: I really have trouble coming up with a reason children aren't allowed to vote

Because children are our future, so we gotta slow them down a bit.
 
2011-10-23 05:00:29 AM
Call the DMV, lady. Make an appointment to go in. It's not that hard.

Once you're over 65 in TN, the photo ID is good forever.
 
2011-10-23 05:01:08 AM
randomjsa: Get an ID to vote, the only people who are opposed to this are people who want people to be able to vote without proving who the hell they are.

But why is it necessary to prove who you are in the first place? There are virtually no impersonation-based voter frauds. Really the only sort of personal voter fraud seen at all in the US is people attempting to vote who are not properly registered (a good deal of which is unintentional). And since impersonation is all but unheard of, a simple declaration of identity is perfectly sufficient to verify registration.

Election fraud is a terrible thing. IMHO denying legitimate voters their rights due to some "voter fraud" bogeyman is election fraud, and we should be going after the legislators who are committing such crimes.

In-Person Voter Fraud Myth, Justin Levitt Before Senate Committee (new window)
 
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