WI241TH: fusillade762 asked a question about the psychic connection in The Stand in a previous, red-lit thread and wanted to point him to this conversation in the book: Link (new window)

might not be the perfect answer but I hope it helps

Interesting. Thanks for that!

Gone Baby Gone and The Town were great movies so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Gigli and Surviving Christmas were great movies so I hope he's going to star.

I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful. Everyone else they cast however, was pretty spot on, with Matt Frewer as an exceptionally well acted TrashCan Man.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful.

Molly Ringwald?

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful. Everyone else they cast however, was pretty spot on, with Matt Frewer as an exceptionally well acted TrashCan Man.

so say we all

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful. Everyone else they cast however, was pretty spot on, with Matt Frewer as an exceptionally well acted TrashCan Man.

Eh, they could have had a better Larry and Frannie. Harold was ok, but they could have at least had Corin Nemec in a fat suit for a while. Most of the rest of the actors were ok, but they failed in a few areas, notably the prison scene with Lloyd and Flagg.

ThisNameSux: Gone Baby Gone and The Town were great movies so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly. Guy's a middle of the road actor, but he's apparently got some skills behind the camera.

As far as casting Randall Flagg, two words: Ian McShane.

This movie better be about 37 hours long or else it's gonna SUUUUUCK

Sweet. Hey, is Crispin Glover too old to play the Trashcan Man?

They are also going to have to throw out about 70% of the book to have any chance it will be good.

The Stand: great premise. Awful execution.

T.M.S.: They are also going to have to throw out about 70% of the book to have any chance it will be good.

The Stand: great premise. Awful execution.

Nah, most of it is pretty good, it's that last 10% that was crap.

BroVinny:
Molly Ringwald?

That was really her? I knew it was someone I should've known, but I didn't think it was her. Her acting was so bad she was making Parker Lewis uncomfortable in some scenes.

rickycal78:

Eh, they could have had a better Larry and Frannie. Harold was ok, but they could have at least had Corin Nemec in a fat suit for a while. Most of the rest of the actors were ok, but they failed in a few areas, notably the prison scene with Lloyd and Flagg.

I think Parker Lewis (that's all he will ever be to me) was fine for what they were shooting for. They wanted a name and a fat suit from the early 90's would've looked awful and fake and more trouble than it's worth. I'm fine with them overselling his acne and awkwardness instead. I did enjoy the judge and who they picked for Mother Abigail was nearly spot on from what I had in my mind.

Now if only they could've kept King out of it, it would've ranked among his better movies.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: BroVinny:
Molly Ringwald?

That was really her? I knew it was someone I should've known, but I didn't think it was her. Her acting was so bad she was making Parker Lewis uncomfortable in some scenes.

rickycal78:

Eh, they could have had a better Larry and Frannie. Harold was ok, but they could have at least had Corin Nemec in a fat suit for a while. Most of the rest of the actors were ok, but they failed in a few areas, notably the prison scene with Lloyd and Flagg.

I think Parker Lewis (that's all he will ever be to me) was fine for what they were shooting for. They wanted a name and a fat suit from the early 90's would've looked awful and fake and more trouble than it's worth. I'm fine with them overselling his acne and awkwardness instead. I did enjoy the judge and who they picked for Mother Abigail was nearly spot on from what I had in my mind.

Now if only they could've kept King out of it, it would've ranked among his better movies.

Most of the casting was spot on if you ask me. Stu, Glen, Lloyd, Nick and Tom Cullen were brilliantly cast.

Better than Yates. I'll reserve any further judgement for now.

Is his little brotha gonna try and play a full-grown man again?

/fail
//ruins movies he's in

rickycal78: T.M.S.: They are also going to have to throw out about 70% of the book to have any chance it will be good.

The Stand: great premise. Awful execution.

Nah, most of it is pretty good, it's that last 10% that was crap.

It's certainly over by the last hundred pages or so.

Intriguing untill they get to Boulder. Then you realize King has nothing interesting to say with the book.

The "Hand of god"? Please.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful. Everyone else they cast however, was pretty spot on, with Matt Frewer as an exceptionally well acted TrashCan Man.

I didn't care for the Randall Flagg character. I just have a hard time seeing fear inspiring evil incarnate as someone with a mullet and a jeans jacket.

T.M.S.: rickycal78: T.M.S.: They are also going to have to throw out about 70% of the book to have any chance it will be good.

The Stand: great premise. Awful execution.

Nah, most of it is pretty good, it's that last 10% that was crap.

It's certainly over by the last hundred pages or so.

Intriguing untill they get to Boulder. Then you realize King has nothing interesting to say with the book.

The "Hand of god"? Please.

yeah, i agree, the ending was really lame. i felt like he had written himself into a corner or something and had to find an easy way out.

/no way they can can take a book of that length and scope and turn it into a half way decent 2 - 3 hour movie.

How about letting Ben Affleck direct a different Stephen King movie before he goes after The Stand. Maybe remake Christine or It.

Actually, I'd like to Guillermo Del Toro remake It.

Just don't let Ben Affleck get script control. He'll have the whole movie take place in Boston.

SavvyLemur: no way they can can take a book of that length and scope and turn it into a half way decent 2 - 3 hour movie.

The plan for a while now has been to shoot a trilogy; one film for each act of the book.

flaggboy42: SavvyLemur: no way they can can take a book of that length and scope and turn it into a half way decent 2 - 3 hour movie.

The plan for a while now has been to shoot a trilogy; one film for each act of the book.

oh, i didn't know that. if that's the case then i'm all for it.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I liked the original miniseries. Sue me. I thought they did a great job with everyone except Frannie. Whatever that actresses' name was, she was awful. Everyone else they cast however, was pretty spot on, with Matt Frewer as an exceptionally well acted TrashCan Man.

Fran Goldsmith is a shiat character. It would take a herculean effort to make Fran likeable instead of the type of coont the married Piper Halliwell could only dream of being. Molly Ringwald is cool, but she was only being Frannie. Not her fault.

And yes to how the cast was awesome, for the most part.

/yes, I watched Charmed
//on netflix
///sorry I missed the first couple seasons first run.

Is the original book or king's full version better in your opinions?

I liked the full version.

Smackledorfer: Is the original book or king's full version better in your opinions?

I liked the full version.

ive only read the full version and i loved it...well, except for the ending. although the epilogue was pretty sweet.

SavvyLemur: T.M.S.: rickycal78: T.M.S.: They are also going to have to throw out about 70% of the book to have any chance it will be good.

The Stand: great premise. Awful execution.

Nah, most of it is pretty good, it's that last 10% that was crap.

It's certainly over by the last hundred pages or so.

Intriguing untill they get to Boulder. Then you realize King has nothing interesting to say with the book.

The "Hand of god"? Please.

yeah, i agree, the ending was really lame. i felt like he had written himself into a corner or something and had to find an easy way out.

/no way they can can take a book of that length and scope and turn it into a half way decent 2 - 3 hour movie.

^^^

I heard he not only got tired of writing it, but came to actively hate the characters he created. I don't know, though.

The Stand will always only have justice done to it, when conceived as a mini-series. Yes, the hand of God was lame,even if it did serve to prove The Power of Neutrality and Balance in the person of Donald Merwin Elbert. Trash bringing the nuke into Vegas was the suppressed Donald managing to win one and truly cleanse his soul. At least, I think it was. But the Hand of God as a Hand of God? Lame.

The book should have had a Dark Tower-esque warning once Stu, Glen, Larry and the other dude set out for Vegas. The book should have ended there. We wouldn't have gotten the epic suicide of Dayna.................. or the finding of Harold's notebook, but we would have been saved a whole bunch of bullshiat.

Everything before that was alright.

The first half of the book describing shiat spiraling out of control is the Template For How Apocalyptic Creeping Disaster Stories Should Be Written. Just epic. Heart pounding. Can't quit turning the pages shiat.

King still needs to work on his non-white characters.

SavvyLemur: Smackledorfer: Is the original book or king's full version better in your opinions?

I liked the full version.

ive only read the full version and i loved it...well, except for the ending. although the epilogue was pretty sweet.

The Dark Man goes to Africa? That was pretty sweet? If you say so.

Smackledorfer: Is the original book or king's full version better in your opinions?

I liked the full version.

The full version is "better" because it has more stuff. The entire book is like eating a gigantic bowl of candy. Tasty but entirely lacking in nutrition.

But if you are going to eat a bowl of candy why not a really bigass bowl?

Confabulat: rickycal78: Stu, Glen, Lloyd, Nick and Tom Cullen were brilliantly cast.

Tom Cullen? The dumb guy from Coach? He was terrible. He knew how to play a dumb guy, but he didn't know how to play a mentally challenged person at all. Just awful. And the guy playing Flagg was even worse.

To be fair, he played Tom as he was written. I'd say King likely can't write a mentally challenged person well. As far as Flagg goes, well there's hardly an actor out there able to do justice to the character as he was before the last Dark Tower book.

Pumpernickel bread: I didn't care for the Randall Flagg character. I just have a hard time seeing fear inspiring evil incarnate as someone with a mullet and a jeans jacket.

So you're not a fan of Rob Zombie's films, huh? Yeah, totally with you on that.

Confabulat: I've never seen a real mentally challenged person running around spelling M-O-O-N all the time.

O'rly?

Confabulat: EdgeRunner: Confabulat: I've never seen a real mentally challenged person running around spelling M-O-O-N all the time.

O'rly?

Heh, casting O'Reilly would certainly be a unique take on the character.

Not to mention a huge savings for the producers. Jon Stewart and David Letterman would happily pay Bill's salary out of their own pockets.

/hell, for lulz that big, I'd chip in a few bucks of my own.

Glenn Beck is Randall Flagg

/with mullet goodness

ThisNameSux: Gone Baby Gone and The Town were great movies so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I've got to say the Town was pretty farking ridiculous. Like she never shut her eyes when he was talking and realized it was the same southie trash who kidnapped her on the most traumatic day of her life. Also these guys appear to be total boneheaded farktards, yet they are incredibly resourceful whenever it comes to disguises and uniforms and bizarrely respectful of his relationship with the girl.

wildcardjack: How about letting Ben Affleck direct a different Stephen King movie before he goes after The Stand. Maybe remake Christine or It.

If we really want to see if he can handle a wizard like Flagg and an plot with several character threads, then Ben Affleck should be made to direct a movie version of King's The Eyes of The Dragon, where Flagg is known to be a wizard and an overall horrible, terrifying person, but is still the Royal Wizard for the kingdom of Delain and the council to King Roland. It has fantasy elements, politics, a dragon, murders, several interesting characters and an ending that isn't nearly as shiat as The Stand. As far as period-piece fantasies go, it's actually pretty decent coming from King.

If Affleck does this book any justice, then he can tackle The Stand.

T.M.S.: Smackledorfer: Is the original book or king's full version better in your opinions?

I liked the full version.

The full version is "better" because it has more stuff. The entire book is like eating a gigantic bowl of candy. Tasty but entirely lacking in nutrition.

But if you are going to eat a bowl of candy why not a really bigass bowl?

Thats a good summary of what King himself writes for the full version. He says his editors told him that all the stuff they cut didn't really mean anything, but his point was that maybe it didn't, but why stop there? You could cut damn near every bit of character development using the same argument.

Derwood: This movie better be about 37 hours long or else it's gonna SUUUUUCK

No, really here's how simple it is:

"Look, everybody is dead!"
"Evil bad."
"We win!"

Now who wouldn't pay to see that?

I saw a suggestion on another site of Jeff Bridges as Randall Flagg and I think that he would nail it.

Nerd casting ahead -

Flagg: Jeff Bridges

Stu: Bradley Cooper

Frannie: Emma Stone

Mother Abigail: I'd cast an Unknown, someone with that world weary wisdom.

Lloyd: Jeremy Renner

Harold: the role Jonah Hill was born to play.

Larry: Justin Timberlake (Admit it, we all have a man crush on JT, and he'd kill it as Larry)

Nick Andros: Rob Lowe should be allowed to reprise his role. But alternatively since Affleck is doing this, Matt Damon.

Nadine Cross: Mila Kunis

Trashcan Man: Robert Pattinson. If only so I could see him be blown up by a nuclear weapon.

Tom Cullen: Another Unknown. Someone who won't go full retard.

M-O-O-N, that spells FAIL.

and yet still no Dark Tower series.