Yeah, go get you some of that, Mizzou.

YAY! More Gator snacks!

basemetal: Yeah, go get you some of that, Mizzou.

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas. That's not a bad schedule. Of course, the way Mizzou is playing right now, they might not be able to beat Kansas.

has mizzou been invited to join the SEC or is this like when they invited themselves to the big ten?

thomps: has mizzou been invited to join the SEC or is this like when they invited themselves to the big ten?

They never invited themselves to the Big Ten, but yes, they essentially have an invite. Things would never have gotten to this point otherwise.

Mentat: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas. That's not a bad schedule.

Not bad? How many of those teams does Missouri have a legit chance to beat on a regular basis? One, maybe two?

And it looks like in basketball you just switched from KU to UK beating you every year.

From mere insignificance to utter calamity. Hope the payout's good.

Much as I kind of liked the idea of Air Force being brought into the Big XII, I can appreciate their reason for not doing so: despite the potential bump in cashflow, they knew they weren't likely to be particularly competitive.

mitchcumstein1: Mentat: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas. That's not a bad schedule.

Not bad? How many of those teams does Missouri have a legit chance to beat on a regular basis? One, maybe two?

And it looks like in basketball you just switched from KU to UK beating you every year.

Compared to playing Auburn, Alabama and LSU every year? Yeah, this schedule isn't bad. Now why don't you go and revel in another moral victory.

Mentat: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas. That's not a bad schedule.

4 of those 7- UF, UGA, UT, and Arky- are perennial Top 25. South Carolina is currently a hot program, and Spurrier might be building something solid. Kentucky's awful, and they've been to 5 straight bowls. Vandy might be a breather. Oh, and as has been pointed out earlier, your basketball program will be playing for second-best more often than not.

Welcome to the family. Hope you've got your big-boy pants on.

A Fark Handle: A Fark Handle: fark missouri. they don't belong. fark this bullshiat.

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Ha!

I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

Mentat: mitchcumstein1: Mentat: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas. That's not a bad schedule.

Not bad? How many of those teams does Missouri have a legit chance to beat on a regular basis? One, maybe two?

And it looks like in basketball you just switched from KU to UK beating you every year.

Compared to playing Auburn, Alabama and LSU every year? Yeah, this schedule isn't bad. Now why don't you go and revel in another moral victory.

Like you'll be doing in 2 years? You do realize Missouri is going to be the Kansas football program of the SEC, right?

Only you don't have one of the best basketball programs in the country to fall back on. But your wrestling team is awesome. At least you have that.

Krymson Tyde: I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

I really do hope that happens. If there's anything that could crush the Big East's hope of retaining an AQ more than losing WVU, it's being denied the opportunity to go after Boise State. It would also be funny to see WVU stuck in the land of forgotten toys.

/B1G fan
//Just in this for the lulz
///hoping this will push ND into the B1G
////probably won't

AKTurkey: Krymson Tyde: I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

I really do hope that happens. If there's anything that could crush the Big East's hope of retaining an AQ more than losing WVU, it's being denied the opportunity to go after Boise State. It would also be funny to see WVU stuck in the land of forgotten toys.

/B1G fan
//Just in this for the lulz
///hoping this will push ND into the B1G
////probably won't

If Notre Dame had joined the Big 10 WHERE THEY DAMN WELL BELONG none of this would be happening.

Krymson Tyde: I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

I think that's their dream scenario at this point, don't you? Maybe Pac 12, but really I'm sure either works.

mitchcumstein1: Krymson Tyde: I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

I think that's their dream scenario at this point, don't you? Maybe Pac 12, but really I'm sure either works.

Don't Boise State's academic "standards" hurt their chances in both circumstances?

DrBenway: mitchcumstein1: Krymson Tyde: I wonder if Boise State would join the Big 12 if asked.

I think that's their dream scenario at this point, don't you? Maybe Pac 12, but really I'm sure either works.

Don't Boise State's academic "standards" hurt their chances in both circumstances?

If it's one thing the last couple years has taught me, it's that football trumps all.

mitchcumstein1: Like you'll be doing in 2 years? You do realize Missouri is going to be the Kansas football program of the SEC, right?

You have no idea what Missouri is going to do two years from now. No one does, which is why these kinds of arguments are so silly. But, you need something to biatch about while waiting for basketball season to start, so knock yourself out.

Mentat: mitchcumstein1: Like you'll be doing in 2 years? You do realize Missouri is going to be the Kansas football program of the SEC, right?

You have no idea what Missouri is going to do two years from now. No one does, which is why these kinds of arguments are so silly. But, you need something to biatch about while waiting for basketball season to start, so knock yourself out.

Biatching? Hell, if Missouri leaving brings in WVU, BYU, and Louisville, I'm all for it. You're KC guy, you should be pissed, this is essentially Missouri giving it's Kansas City fan base a big middle finger.

mitchcumstein1: Biatching? Hell, if Missouri leaving brings in WVU, BYU, and Louisville, I'm all for it. You're KC guy, you should be pissed, this is essentially Missouri giving it's Kansas City fan base a big middle finger.

Kansas City will be fine. Clark Hunt doesn't care who plays in Arrowhead, and practically any team will put more butts in the seats than Kansas. Tom Osbourne has talked about Nebraska playing in Arrowhead, so if they set up some type of series with someone, there's your Border War replacement regardless if Mizzou schedules a game there. It sucks losing the Big XII tourney, but if Sprint Center had an anchor tenant, it wouldn't be an issue. Mizzou will continue playing games there like they have in the past as will Kansas and K-State, so it's not as if KC will be completely hung out to dry.

I would just as soon Mizzou stay in the Big XII, but after the last two years, there's pretty much no trust left between any of the members. You guys can play at it, but you know Texas and Oklahoma would throw you all to the wolves if they could. The landscape is changing so quickly and unpredictably that no one can predict what will happen. Three months ago I repeatedly said that Mizzou to the SEC was ridiculous and would never happen, and yet here we are. maybe the Big XII pulls it out and stabilizes, but history suggests that's unlikely. We'll see.

moriarty23: I can't believe how excited I've gotten over the last few months over this. Everyone talks about how silly it will be to go to the East, but what's in a name? Aside from Florida distance, it makes a lot of sense, and will have real weight as a basketball conference.

I'm not really excited because it's ridiculous that the idiots in charge of the Big XII let things go this far. That said, whatever comes, I'll still support my school.

SharkTrager: You honestly thing Mizzou has a chance to be good in the SEC?

Over what time frame? Next year? I expect they'll take a step back but will grab a few unexpected wins simply because they play a different style from the SEC. Over the next five years? Well, the entire SEC rosters will overturn in that time, so it's impossible to say. Over ten years? By that time, Mizzou will be assimilated, will likely have upgraded their facilities, will have established new recruiting pipelines, and most of the SEC coaching staffs will have turned over. Over 50 years, the entire university staffs will have turned over and the NCAA may not even exist, so who even knows what the game will look like then? 100 years? We'll all be dead then and college football may have crashed in popularity. How the hell should I know wether Mizzou will succeed in the SEC? We have a radio guy in KC that definitively states that Mizzou will never win ten games in a season in the SEC in his lifetime. Five years ago, I never would have believed Mizzou would win ten games in a season in the Big XII, much less become #1 in the nation and been within a game of the National Championship. Mizzou's athletic department is far stronger and more stable now than when Mike Alden and Gary Pinkel took over ten years ago. They built Mizzou up from nothing. Some would say we're still nothing, but the truth is we have a much better foundation going into the SEC than we did going into the Big XII. Anyone saying that Mizzou will take the SEC by storm is being irrational, but that's no more irrational than saying that Mizzou will be a permanent doormat.

So the short answer is that I don't know and no one else does either.

lilplatinum: The Irony with this statement being that the big 12 has come up with a plan to lock people in long term, give equal revenue sharing in the same level as the SEC (tier 1+2 shared, keep tier 3), and mizzou is still giving everyone else the finger for their own interest.

Six whole years (with decreasing exit fees every year) is "long term"? Ohhhkay. The new plan is nothing more than Texas stalling for time so they can unwind the abortion that is the Longhorn Network, settle their accounts with ESPN, and then bolt for the Pac-16 circa 2017 when that millstone is off Bevo's neck.

Tech and the Okies are going along with it because they know that their ticket into the Pac 16 is to ride Texas's coattails, and Baylor and the battered spouses in the Big 12 North are going along with it because they have no other option.

And on top of that, nothing's changed with the mistrust and mutual suspicion in the Big 12. I keep picturing this conference like something out of the movie Clue: if the lights went out for a moment and someone knifed Iowa State, everyone would suspect everyone else, and everyone would have a motive.

schief2: lilplatinum: The Irony with this statement being that the big 12 has come up with a plan to lock people in long term, give equal revenue sharing in the same level as the SEC (tier 1+2 shared, keep tier 3), and mizzou is still giving everyone else the finger for their own interest.

Six whole years (with decreasing exit fees every year) is "long term"? Ohhhkay. The new plan is nothing more than Texas stalling for time so they can unwind the abortion that is the Longhorn Network, settle their accounts with ESPN, and then bolt for the Pac-16 circa 2017 when that millstone is off Bevo's neck.

Tech and the Okies are going along with it because they know that their ticket into the Pac 16 is to ride Texas's coattails, and Baylor and the battered spouses in the Big 12 North are going along with it because they have no other option.

And on top of that, nothing's changed with the mistrust and mutual suspicion in the Big 12. I keep picturing this conference like something out of the movie Clue: if the lights went out for a moment and someone knifed Iowa State, everyone would suspect everyone else, and everyone would have a motive.

Exactly. Everyone likes to call Mizzou a whore, but Larry Scott had to get a restraining order on David Boren after he found his kid's pet rabbit in a pot of boiling water. The Big XII will have lost 4 AAU schools if Mizzou goes and Boren desperately wants Oklahoma associated with the California schools. Mizzou fought for a ten year deal and it looks like at one point they had it, but Texas forced it back to six years in exchange for other concessions. There's no guarantee that Mizzou will find a landing spot six years from now and anyone predicting that "Texas and Oklahoma have nowhere else to go" is a stable base for a conference after all that's transpired the last two years should have their heads examined.

lilplatinum: Mentat: Over what time frame? Next year? I expect they'll take a step back but will grab a few unexpected wins simply because they play a different style from the SEC. Over the next five years? Well, the entire SEC rosters will overturn in that time, so it's impossible to say. Over ten years? By that time, Mizzou will be assimilated, will likely have upgraded their facilities, will have established new recruiting pipelines, and most of the SEC coaching staffs will have turned over

I bet Arkansas fans were using this line of reasoning about how they would one day be dominant when they went to the SEC.


There's always some crazy fans who think their school's programs will dominate, no matter all evidence to the contrary. In general, though, I reckon that Arkansas has made a pretty good showing for themselves in the SEC -- no dominance, but they've held their own pretty well in most sports (be nice to see their men's basketball program pick things back up, though). A&M will be lucky to approach that level; Missouri will likely be grateful if they're in the same division as Ole Miss. I reckon that, of the two, A&M has a much better likelihood of surprising people in some sports.

Nothing scientific in that; purely a layman's observations...

On another note, how come there's never been much of a move (to my knowledge anyway) to get Iowa and Iowa State in the same conference?

DrBenway: I bet Arkansas fans were using this line of reasoning about how they would one day be dominant when they went to the SEC.

Did I say at any point that Mizzou would dominate the SEC? There sure seem to be a lot of people who are trying to claim that's what I'm saying. what I very clearly said was that predicting who's going to win the SEC becomes very difficult just one year out and impossible even just five years out. That's not a justification, that's reality.

And since we brought up Arkansas, the implication seems to be that Arkansas should have remained loyal to the SWC. I wonder how that would have worked out?

Mentat: And since we brought up Arkansas, the implication seems to be that Arkansas should have remained loyal to the SWC. I wonder how that would have worked out?

Arkansas would have had some one-loss seasons and still never would have been ranked higher than 7.

The Hawgs are a *much* better team with a worse record on the SEC. I'd rather Win some and Lose some Big games vs 'Bama, Auburn and LSU (and Tennessee and Florida and... well, you get the picture) than all the victories over Rice, Houston, SMU, TCU (omg they sucked in the SWC), Baylor, and T-Tech in the world.

There were 3 teams in the SWC that were any good. A&M is coming to join us in the SEC and I welcome them.

And Texas... they can DIAF.

As for Mizzou.. I really don't want them. I hope this is all rumor and we're not really getting them. I'd rather the SEC-East add someone from the ACC or Big Least than a B1G reject. We're the SEC. The best farking football conference in the history of ever. We don't need to pick up someone else's scraps.

Mentat: DrBenway: I bet Arkansas fans were using this line of reasoning about how they would one day be dominant when they went to the SEC.

Did I say at any point that Mizzou would dominate the SEC? There sure seem to be a lot of people who are trying to claim that's what I'm saying. what I very clearly said was that predicting who's going to win the SEC becomes very difficult just one year out and impossible even just five years out. That's not a justification, that's reality.


You're quoting lilplatinum, not me, hoss. My comments were in the paragraph below that sentence which weren't in italics. I can see this is an especially important matter for you, but do try to pay attention.

Please and thank you.