It's over. Fark is finished.

The cure is worse than the disease

Easy, give me three days at work that don't require drinking afterwards and I'm there

Three days you say? Is that on average over the year? Because I usually abstain for at least 8 hours a day so that's 4 months, plus 8 hours more for 5 days a week so that's another .. um ..

So is liver disease actually worse than brain damage?

This is good news. I'm all about free alcohol.

Do rolling days count? Because I've been known to not even start drinking again until the night after the night after that morning.

This is all a conspiracy by Big Pharma to destroy the alcohol industry.

I'm drinking right now, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

I'm betting more die in traffic accidents each year too. Keeping my booze, don't drive, think i'm getting the better deal.

I only binge drink on the weekends, so I'm good.

If you live long enough, you will die from something.

Ban life.

Happy Hours: doglover: More than 16,000 people die from liver disease every year in the UK


140,000 die each year from cancers.

44,600 die each year from heart disease.

But go ahead and come down on ALCOHOL, the only thing that lets a body get by in a world full of assholes.

cause alcohol has never been linked to heart disease or cancer

And it's not like you know in recent years certain places have either restricted, or banned the use of Trans-fans, and certain kinds of cooking ingredients known to cause such problems either. It's unimpossible!

But go ahead, doglover let the hyperbole be your guide.

No problem.
I'll just drink 40% more on the other 4 days.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: If you live long enough, you will die from something.



Life'll Kill Ya.

/Enjoy every sandwich.

Awesome, I never drink on back to back days anyways. If you do, you're either an alcoholic or a lightweight.

Do these physicians have any evidence? Has there been any controlled studies (or even any observational, epidemiologic studies) that quantify a reduction in quantity and degree of hepatic disease correlated to three EtOH-free days a week? TFA did not cite any.

Just because they're physicians doesn't mean they're not talking out their ass.

/clinical pharmacist
//deals with physicians who make stuff up every day

YouPeopleAreCrazy: If you live long enough, you will die from something.

Ban life.

we need a final solution

Twice that, plus one.

dbirchall: (yes, the critically-endangered straightedge Farker)

You must be new here. There are a lot of sober Farker, and they're not shy about talking about it. They're also generally well-respected.

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

So just stick to American beer during those three days? Got it.

doglover:
But go ahead and come down on ALCOHOL, the only thing that lets a body get by in a world full of assholes.

Cigarettes: Done.
Salt: inprogress.
Alcohol: inprogress.
Transportation: Done
NHS: Done
Fatty Foods: inprogress

First step to solving this problem. Kill all the lentalists.

dbirchall: I get 7 alcohol-free days a week (yes, the critically-endangered straightedge Farker), and now my doctor tells me I'm still farking up my liver, and to not drink soda or eat oily foods.

There's a thing called non-alcoholic liver something-or-other. That long YouTube video about how fructose is evil explains how it works.

So it's more like, doctors now recommend three days a week free of anything you'd actually want to put in your mouth.

Right there with you man. Ain't no shame in it. But all that talk about not eating what you want is harshin' my mellow.

I only drink on my golf and all inclusive holidays. When I say drink I mean every waking hour during the holiday. Total Zombie state.
As soon as I come home I don't drink or think about alcohol at all.
I retired from work at the end of 2007 and never think about drinking unless there is pending holiday. I would rather eat my calories than drink them at home and so when the holidays come up I do both which probably shows a huge lack of restraint.

ThisNameSux: Awesome, I never drink on back to back days anyways. If you do, you're either an alcoholic or a lightweight.

Your power to rationalize your chosen behaviors while discounting everyone else's are impressive. Alcoholics are some of the best in that department, finger pointer.

BumpInTheNight: So just stick to American beer during those three days? Got it.

Duly noted

Seeing Double IPA ^

90 minute IPA ^

Idiot IPA ^

Inigo: This is all a conspiracy by Big Pharma to destroy the alcohol industry your liver.


Drugs that may cause ACUTE DOSE-DEPENDENT LIVER DAMAGE
(resembling acute viral hepatitis)

# acetaminophen
# salicylates (doses over 2 grams daily)
# acebutolol
# indomethacin
# phenylbutazone
# allopurinol
# isoniazid
# phenytoin
# atenolol
# ketoconazole
# piroxicam
# carbamazepine
# labetalol
# probenecid
# cimetidine
# maprotiline
# pyrazinamide
# dantrolene
# metoprolol
# quinidine
# diclofenac
# mianserin
# quinine
# diltiazem
# naproxen
# ranitidine
# enflurane
# para-aminosalicylic acid
# sulfonamides
# ethambutol
# penicillins
# sulindac
# ethionamide
# phenelzine
# tricyclic antidepressants
# halothane
# phenindione
# valproic acid
# ibuprofen
# phenobarbital
# verapamil

More here... (new window)


Yeah, we'll blame the alcohol! That's it!

Amos Quito: Inigo: This is all a conspiracy by Big Pharma to destroy the alcohol industry your liver.


Drugs that may cause ACUTE DOSE-DEPENDENT LIVER DAMAGE
(resembling acute viral hepatitis)

# acetaminophen
# salicylates (doses over 2 grams daily)
# acebutolol
# indomethacin
# phenylbutazone
# allopurinol
# isoniazid
# phenytoin
# atenolol
# ketoconazole
# piroxicam
# carbamazepine
# labetalol
# probenecid
# cimetidine
# maprotiline
# pyrazinamide
# dantrolene
# metoprolol
# quinidine
# diclofenac
# mianserin
# quinine
# diltiazem
# naproxen
# ranitidine
# enflurane
# para-aminosalicylic acid
# sulfonamides
# ethambutol
# penicillins
# sulindac
# ethionamide
# phenelzine
# tricyclic antidepressants
# halothane
# phenindione
# valproic acid
# ibuprofen
# phenobarbital
# verapamil

More here... (new window)


Yeah, we'll blame the alcohol! That's it!

What is wrong with you? Do you dare to question Big Pharma??? They are our saviors, for gosh sakes!

/Don't look at those over >100,000 that die every year from pharmaceutical drugs.
//That statistic needs to be clarified by someone that has more time than me.
///Fine, I will do it:

Melody Petersen: The study estimating that 100,000 Americans die each year from their prescriptions looked only at deaths from known side effects. That is, those deaths didn't happen because the doctor made a mistake and prescribed the wrong drug, or the pharmacist made a mistake in filling the prescription, or the patient accidentally took too much. Unfortunately, thousands of patients die from such mistakes too, but this study looked only at deaths where our present medical system wouldn't fault anyone. Tens of thousands of people are dying every year from drugs they took just as the doctor directed. This shows you how dangerous medications are.

Link (new window)

////Not defending alcohol, of course, just narking on drugs.

Back in the 70s, my doctor told me to have 2 drinks per day for my heart health. Being very health-conscious and an over-achiever sort, I considered myself good until January 29, 2057. Now they tell me I have to take 3 days per week off. Can somebody do the math and let me know how long I'm good for now?

Pangea: ThisNameSux: Awesome, I never drink on back to back days anyways. If you do, you're either an alcoholic or a lightweight.

Your power to rationalize your chosen behaviors while discounting everyone else's are impressive. Alcoholics are some of the best in that department, finger pointer.

Gobobo: So is liver disease actually worse than brain damage?

Yes

College football without drinking is like drinking without drinking. Hiccup! What?

no icon tact:
Idiot IPA ^

Slightly weaker than something like Carlsberg Special Brew.

When I was a college sttudent, it really wasn't that hard. I didn't drink during the week. I also didn't drink myself stupid when I did drink.

Also, when the government people come up with their 'units', why don't they use 'units' that people actually consume? Who drinks 125 ml of wine at a time?

As long as they are not consecutive days I'll be OK.

PsiChi: Amos Quito: Inigo: This is all a conspiracy by Big Pharma to destroy the alcohol industry your liver.


Drugs that may cause ACUTE DOSE-DEPENDENT LIVER DAMAGE
(resembling acute viral hepatitis)

# acetaminophen
# salicylates (doses over 2 grams daily)
# acebutolol
# indomethacin
# phenylbutazone
# allopurinol

[...]

[...]

[...]

# tricyclic antidepressants
# halothane
# phenindione
# valproic acid
# ibuprofen
# phenobarbital
# verapamil

More here... (new window)


Yeah, we'll blame the alcohol! That's it!

What is wrong with you? Do you dare to question Big Pharma??? They are our saviors, for gosh sakes!

/Don't look at those over >100,000 that die every year from pharmaceutical drugs.
//That statistic needs to be clarified by someone that has more time than me.
///Fine, I will do it:

Melody Petersen: The study estimating that 100,000 Americans die each year from their prescriptions looked only at deaths from known side effects. That is, those deaths didn't happen because the doctor made a mistake and prescribed the wrong drug, or the pharmacist made a mistake in filling the prescription, or the patient accidentally took too much. Unfortunately, thousands of patients die from such mistakes too, but this study looked only at deaths where our present medical system wouldn't fault anyone. Tens of thousands of people are dying every year from drugs they took just as the doctor directed. This shows you how dangerous medications are.

Link (new window)

////Not defending alcohol, of course, just narking on drugs.


I CALL BULLSHIAT!

Everyone knows that all pharmaceutical drugs sold in the USA have been certified as Safe and Effective^TM by the FDA*!



*The FDA defines Safe and Effective^TM:

Safe: The client company isn't likely to get sued into bankruptcy
Effective: The client company stands to make billion$ in profit$

doglover: More than 16,000 people die from liver disease every year in the UK


140,000 die each year from cancers.

44,600 die each year from heart disease.

But go ahead and come down on ALCOHOL, the only thing that lets a body get by in a world full of assholes.

This +1000

Mr. Right: Back in the 70s, my doctor told me to have 2 drinks per day for my heart health. Being very health-conscious and an over-achiever sort, I considered myself good until January 29, 2057. Now they tell me I have to take 3 days per week off. Can somebody do the math and let me know how long I'm good for now?

I think you are fine as long as you don't have more than 2 drinks per day. The problem is people usually drink a lot more than 2 drinks when they do drink. A pint, is more than one drink. Also, a lot of the good beers are stronger than the standard 3.5%. If you are throwing back 2 dogfish head 60 minutes (at 6%) that's over 3 drinks per day. As a result, if you are drinking higher alcohol craft brews, it's probably best to just have one a day (saves money too).

Basically the 3 days off is taking into account that people can't measure standard units/stick to 2 drinks and thus makes so that people are sticking to roughly 14 units/week.

doglover: sarah_t_s: doglover:
But go ahead and come down on ALCOHOL, the only thing that lets a body get by in a world full of assholes.

Cigarettes: Done.
Salt: inprogress.
Alcohol: inprogress.
Transportation: Done
NHS: Done
Fatty Foods: inprogress

First step to solving this problem. Kill all the lentalists.

It's well documented that Britain's primary highway system was designed as a complex demonic glyph. Noted historians Neil Gaiman and Sir Terry Pratchett not it in their treatise Good Omens, for starters.

I believe the noted historian Stross also concluded that the highway system was some sort of anti-summoning glyph designed to prevent a mass summoning of things that live at the edge of the Mandelbrot. I cite Concrete Jungle, Jennifer Morgue and Atrocity Archives as my primary sources.

Sober 2 years. Farking Cirrhosis at 34 years old.



/Drank a lot
//misses beer

No one thinks to compliment subby on the beautifully stealthy pun?

Shame on you all. +1

Dwight_Yeast: dbirchall: (yes, the critically-endangered straightedge Farker)

You must be new here. There are a lot of sober Farker, and they're not shy about talking about it. They're also generally well-respected.

Yup, I have been lurking for awhile now but for the TF crowd there is a Tuesday night AA thread.

I'm alcohol free 10 hours a day. Same thing, right?