If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

A popular QB from Florida helps sell out a football game in Florida? Unpossible!

Let the Tebow era begin!

/He needs a nice nickname.
//Trinity Tebow?

blindy the pirate: A popular QB from Florida helps sell out a football game in Florida? Unpossible!

Something, something, it's Jesus' fault, religion is bad, waaar warr against intolerance.

I like Tebow now that's he's a bit of a underdog, his personal beliefs aside.

MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

In other news, the Tampa Bay Rays are offering a contract to Tim Tebow, reported to be a sum of "however much you want just make the fans show up!"

Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

MayoSlather: Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

Timmy!

fark the haters, Tebow is awesome.

LeafyGreens: I like Tebow now that's he's a bit of a underdog, his personal beliefs aside.

I wouldn't even call Ryan Leaf an underdog against the Dolphins.

MayoSlather: The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins.

This.
And we like to kick FGs, not TDs

Judd Nelson's Nostrils: Thank Bud Light, not Tebow. Bud is a big sponsor, and bought an assload of tickets to prevent a blackout. There will be at least 20,000 vacant seats there on Sunday.

And, at least one vacant helmet on the field.

Pratty: The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

Please elaborate.

Pratty: MayoSlather: Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

QB is by far the most important position in football. See: Colts.

What do you think is more important? Left tackle?

Slu: Pratty: MayoSlather: Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

QB is by far the most important position in football. See: Colts.

What do you think is more important? Left tackle?

Left tackle(Or, if you're a left-handed QB, right tackle) and Center, arguably the entire offensive line. A great QB can easily be made a fool by a bad offensive line.

Pratty:

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

This is wrong.

johnny queso: Pratty:

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

This is wrong.

Only if you're Peyton Manning.

When Jay Fiedler was the QB, I thought, well, this is as bad as it could ever get.

I was incorrect.

moefuggenbrew: MayoSlather: The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins.

This.
And we like to kick FGs, not TDs

At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and kick a TD...

/Even the 1-15 team was more watchable than this one

Pratty: Slu: Pratty: MayoSlather: Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

QB is by far the most important position in football. See: Colts.

What do you think is more important? Left tackle?

Left tackle(Or, if you're a left-handed QB, right tackle) and Center, arguably the entire offensive line. A great QB can easily be made a fool by a bad offensive line.

This too is wrong. See: Steelers.

Also, look at every super bowl winner. Count the number of great QBs. Now count the number of bad QBs who won because of their offensive line.

Pratty: The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

Hey everyone, we found Terrell Owens' handle!

Slu: Pratty: Slu: Pratty: MayoSlather: Crashtest: MayoSlather: If my Fins lose on Sunday then sucking for Luck will be a reality. There isn't a team left on the schedule that is as beatable as the Broncos. However the Broncos have seemingly played every team tough except Green Bay.

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

After watching the Jets game, they convinced me. Maybe it's because I don't get to watch many Dolphins games up this way, or I have unrealistic expectations from watching the Packers, but they looked 2nd-tier college bad. I could understand missing the open man on the 3rd and goal early on (play flowing away from the uncovered man) and even Marshall's stumbling out of bounds on a sure touchdown (thinking about end zone and forgot where he was on field). But that opening drive where Moore missed the wide-open back to throw to the covered WR 10 yards down the field on a 3rd and 1, when the open man is not only in front of you, but also directly in line with the guy you ended up throwing to? No way in hell.

Even if they win the Suck for Luck sweepstakes, there are way too many issues for just a QB to fix.

Well the offense would be mostly fixed with Luck except for almost no protection coming from the right tackle.

The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins. Still there is no position more critical than QB and if Luck is as good as advertised he'll make a lot of the current problems seemingly go away.

The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

QB is by far the most important position in football. See: Colts.

What do you think is more important? Left tackle?

Left tackle(Or, if you're a left-handed QB, right tackle) and Center, arguably the entire offensive line. A great QB can easily be made a fool by a bad offensive line.

This too is wrong. See: Steelers.

Also, look at every super bowl winner. Count the number of great QBs. Now count the number of bad QBs who won because of their offensive line.

Now count the number of great QBs who didn't win in large part due to their offense line.

/I wasn't alive then, but I hear Dan Marino had a pretty bad line
//Also, are you saying Big Ben is why the Steelers won, when they are primarily a running team + defense?
///Or perhaps you mean the year they lost?

Pratty: The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

jayhawk88: Pratty: The QB isn't even the most important position on the offense, IMO anyway.

Hey everyone, we found Terrell Owens' handle!

I'd say WRs aren't that important. Obviously a good WR really helps and can change the game(Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, etc), but they still need a QB who can throw the ball and who has the time to throw the ball. Depending on the scheme, you can also say the RB is more important than the WR.

mikaloyd: Pratty: Left tackle(Or, if you're a left-handed QB, right tackle) and Center, arguably the entire offensive line. A great QB can easily be made a fool by a bad offensive line.

You might as well call all other ten players 1 guy for this line of thinking.
Plus you didnt seperate out the center before you argued that the offensive line is the most important player. Big mistake. The quarterback cant do shiat except try to draw the defense offsides unless and until the center hikes the ball. The center is OBVIOUSLY the most important player

I know I shouldn't be biting, but I did single out the center. It's right there before arguably.

Pratty: I wasn't alive then, but I hear Dan Marino had a pretty bad line

So you're twelve?

MayoSlather: The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins.

Zero pass rush? They still have Cam Wake don't they?

macadamnut: Pratty: I wasn't alive then, but I hear Dan Marino had a pretty bad line

So you're twelve?

not old enough to have seen the dolphins beat the 85 bears, line played well enough that night

Jeebow?

The_Sponge: Tim Tivo? (new window)

that's the 1st time i have seen that.

The_Sponge: Tim Tivo? (new window)

WOW

MayoSlather:

Somehow I feel like my Dolphins are the wounded prey set before a young cub about to get its first kill. Sad.

i for real lol'd for some reason

Pratty: I wasn't alive then, but I hear Dan Marino had a pretty bad line

Marino was good at avoiding contact and buying himself time without leaving the pocket. Plus he threw from shotgun a lot and could get rid of the ball quickly. His problem was that he never really had a consistent running game available (though Cecil the Diesel Collens showed promise at first) or a defense that could keep even mediocre teams to under 21 points. Hail Tom Olividotti.

To your point: Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring. But just one. Good QBs on good teams get more than one. See Montana, Young, Aikmen (who's o'line was fantastic, just ask Emmit Smith), Brady.

Our Father, who returns to Florida
Tebow be thy name.
His arms are guns
Thy sure can run
He shall beat the 'phins by eleven.
Sell out our stadium way ahead
as we could not sell it without you....

4NSpy: MayoSlather: The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins.

Zero pass rush? They still have Cam Wake don't they?

They do...but he's been mostly ineffective this year, for whatever reason(s) I don't know.

MayoSlather: 4NSpy: MayoSlather: The defense though has zero pass rush coupled with a poor secondary, which has proved fatal for the fins.

Zero pass rush? They still have Cam Wake don't they?

They do...but he's been mostly ineffective this year, for whatever reason(s) I don't know.

I think the reason is "everyone block Wake because he is the only threat".

Tim Tebow will have to somehow turn shiat into gold, because the Broncos are still in the running for Suck for Luck.

Gonz: //Atheist. Devout atheist. "Won't believe in God until I personally meet Him" atheist.

LOLWut????

AnEvilGuest: macadamnut: Pratty: I wasn't alive then, but I hear Dan Marino had a pretty bad line

So you're twelve?

not old enough to have seen the dolphins beat the 85 bears, line played well enough that night

Yeah the problem with the Marino-led teams was an utter lack of running game and defense- it had nothing to do with the o-line.

Marino had linemen like Dwight Stephenson, Richmond Webb.

He also had running backs like Lorenzo Hampton, Sammie Smith, Bobby Humphrey, Mark Higgs Brenton Parmalee, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, and Troy Stradford.