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(Chron)   Texas authorities arrest 76 year old woman with heart, back and breathing problems for a 40 year old unsolved murder. Well I certainly feel much safer now   (chron.com) divider line 164
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2011-10-21 02:56:11 PM

SweetSilverBlues: in an horrifying


That's grammatically correct but it sounds just awful. Let's get rid of the "an" before "h" rule.

Who's with me?!?!
 
2011-10-21 02:57:30 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: SweetSilverBlues: in an horrifying

That's grammatically correct but it sounds just awful. Let's get rid of the "an" before "h" rule.

Who's with me?!?!


That's an horrible idea
 
2011-10-21 03:02:56 PM

dbaggins: troll headline successful.


Thank you for recognizing my talent.

/Yes I am subby
//Yes I often troll to get a greenlight
///So boil me in oil then
 
2011-10-21 03:04:23 PM
No... I like Subby's idea. When I'm old and have breathing / back problems I can just murder whoever and not have to worry about consequences.

///gotta register geriatrichitman.com !
 
2011-10-21 03:09:32 PM

Spoonfed'sBuddy: No... I like Subby's idea. When I'm old and have breathing / back problems I can just murder whoever and not have to worry about consequences.

///gotta register geriatrichitman.com !


Careful, you know how winded you get pulling a trigger.
 
2011-10-21 03:09:37 PM
I'll bet she serves a fine elderberry wine.
 
2011-10-21 03:17:15 PM
She boiled a pot of grease, then threw it on him. Cruz Rivera died of his injuries three days later.

So, totally premeditated, and designed to be really painful too. Fark her.
 
2011-10-21 03:18:45 PM
I gotta go with Texas on this one.

/Death by boiling grease?
//Rorschach approves!
 
2011-10-21 03:19:58 PM

Maud Dib: ilgallo:

deserving of your handle you are not.

Better send in that sarcasm meter to get it calibrated.


he-heh, bless the maker and his water!!!
 
2011-10-21 03:20:04 PM

jabelar: TenJed_77: No YOU'RE a Towel: There is no statute of limitations on murder.

Depends on the country.
Knowing the quality of most police work is crap most the time, a,d especially after 40 years this would be enough to create reasonable doubt if I was a juror.

It depends on what you're being asked to doubt. If police arrived to find her standing over her burning husband then it doesn't create doubt. It seems that in this case there is not much doubt, it's just that she escaped and there wasn't enough followup to catch her.


If the police arrived to find her standing over her burning husband, then there's no doubt that when the police arrived she was standing over her burning husband. It doesn't establish that she was trying to kill him or even that she spilled the grease on him on purpose. There's room for doubt.
 
2011-10-21 03:20:20 PM
Hmm. So do you bother with the lethal injection, or do you just take away the oxygen tank?
 
2011-10-21 03:20:20 PM

bidness: Quasar: BadReligion: Wow, she threw a pot of hot grease on him, and he died 3 days later. That sounds like an awful way to go.

But she's old now! And her back hurts. I say she's suffered enough.

B-b-but the justice system is supposed to be about rehabilitation and helping these folks see the light, not punishment and retribution!


Sometimes it's about putting people away so they don't hurt others.

That must have been one helluva way to die!
 
2011-10-21 03:22:37 PM
Killed him with boiling hot oil?
I wouldn't call that slightly evil or really really evil.
I think killing some with boiling oil is mid evil.
 
2011-10-21 03:22:40 PM

skrame: ilgallo: deserving of your handle you are not.

Why do people on the Internet talk like Yoda?


um, that was done in Anne Frank's voice. Just before she went blind and got lost at sea flying an aeroplane. Duh!
 
2011-10-21 03:25:23 PM
TFA mentions that she probably got away and stayed free because of a "lack of resources".

But we wouldn't want to pay good tax dollars to bring murderers to justice now would we??? (sarcasm)
 
2011-10-21 03:28:05 PM

Verzio


Hmm. So do you bother with the lethal injection, or do you just take away the oxygen tank?


"We've replaced this old murderer's oxygen with carbon monoxide. Let's see if she notices!"
 
2011-10-21 03:31:54 PM
All he wanted was a sammich.
 
2011-10-21 03:38:14 PM

ArkAngel: So subby would prefer to let a murderer go free because they hid from the authorities for a long time?


No YOU'RE a Towel: There is no statute of limitations on murder.

 
2011-10-21 03:40:16 PM

Harry Freakstorm: [www.chron.com image 376x471]

I's strong to the finish
'cause I fries me spinach


www.starcostumes.com
 
2011-10-21 03:42:10 PM
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2011-10-21 03:45:06 PM
The article implies by omission that she stayed away from Texas for all 40 years, so it's probably safe to assume she never made it back home to yell "Base!"

Needs to be locked up.
 
2011-10-21 03:49:25 PM
If you guys had been to Lake Park, GA, you'd know it's already like a prison. She should get off with time served.

/but they're getting a Zaxby's soon, so everything's good
 
2011-10-21 03:49:48 PM
www.chron.com

Momma: Who the HELL are you?
Larry: I'm Owen's friend.
Momma: Owen doesn't have a friend!
Larry: That's because he's shy.
Momma: No he's not. He's fat and he's stupid!
 
2011-10-21 03:54:51 PM
Do you know what happens to young sociopaths? They grow up to be old sociopaths, except now they have decades of experience at manipulating sentimental retards to their ends.
 
2011-10-21 04:00:17 PM
heheheheh throw mama from the train hehehehe
 
2011-10-21 04:06:13 PM

kingoomieiii: Eirik: Isn't that basically what happened to that guy that plowed though the farmers market in Santa Monica and killed something like a dozen people? He was convicted but not sent to jail because he was old?

He got five year's probation and a $100,000 fine. The judge concluded that it wouldn't be fair to send him to prison. Because the state would be forced to pay for his medical care.

He died last year, before his probation was up.


You're comparing apples and oranges. The old man was trying to brake and hit the accelerator, so it was vehicular manslaughter. The article says she heated up the grease and threw it on him. That's premeditated murder. Since it took 3 days for the victim to die, I'll bet they got a Dying Declaration from him.

As a side note, the accident may have saved other lives. My dad was the same age (86) and had the same size car (Town Car) when this happened. He decided right then that he would stop driving. He said he took stock of his own physical abilities and said he didn't have the same reflexes he used to have, and he might not be able to brake in time. Hopefully there were others as smart as my dad and they quit driving, too.
 
2011-10-21 04:07:49 PM

EditorialSpace: There is no statute of limitation on murder. I can understand the confusion, though. How does one hold a 75+ year old woman accountable for anything? A bigger question is how many lives are affected, young and old, by the lack of accountability women, in general, enjoy and exploit.


It's referred to as the 'Vagina Discount'. Lookit up. It's on the books in all 50 states.
 
2011-10-21 04:07:59 PM
You can run, but you can't hide - grandma
 
2011-10-21 04:15:59 PM
Jeebus! That's a horrible way to die, and he suffered for 3 days. Lock her up.
 
2011-10-21 04:39:22 PM

Quasar: BadReligion: Wow, she threw a pot of hot grease on him, and he died 3 days later. That sounds like an awful way to go.

But she's old now! And her back hurts. I say she's suffered enough.


And did you see her picture?

Now we've suffered!

But send her back home like a Lockerbie bomber.

/Nope -- off with he head
 
2011-10-21 04:58:12 PM
Arresting someone for murder? Asinine might not be the first word I would choose to describe the occaision. I think I would go with 'finally' in light of the 40 years it took.
 
2011-10-21 05:05:37 PM

ilgallo: skrame: ilgallo: deserving of your handle you are not.

Why do people on the Internet talk like Yoda?

um, that was done in Anne Frank's voice. Just before she went blind and got lost at sea flying an aeroplane. Duh!


t1.gstatic.com
ISWYDT
 
2011-10-21 05:22:58 PM
I dont think the argument should be around whether she should be tried and punished for a 40 year old crime. I think the argument should be whether the manpower should be spent looking into old crimes when there are plenty of very recent crimes kicking around waiting to be solved. Or if we've got police with nothing else to do other than look into decades old crimes, lay them off and cut the tax burden a little.

Not as much fun as laying off teachers and whatnot or raising taxes, just sayin.
 
2011-10-21 05:35:38 PM

No YOU'RE a Towel: There is no statue of limitations on murder.


FTFY.

/sorry, pet peeve
 
2011-10-21 05:37:15 PM

tarhammer: I dont think the argument should be around whether she should be tried and punished for a 40 year old crime. I think the argument should be whether the manpower should be spent looking into old crimes when there are plenty of very recent crimes kicking around waiting to be solved. Or if we've got police with nothing else to do other than look into decades old crimes, lay them off and cut the tax burden a little.

Not as much fun as laying off teachers and whatnot or raising taxes, just sayin.


For murder, especially a horrific one like that, yes.
 
2011-10-21 05:47:59 PM

skrame: Isn't there a mandatory minimum sentence of a year in prison for felonies?


It is more like a year is the dividing line between "felony" and "misdemeanor". If the maximum possible sentence is exactly a year or less, "misdemeanor". If the maximum possible sentence is more than a year, "felony'.
 
2011-10-21 06:23:09 PM

tarhammer: I dont think the argument should be around whether she should be tried and punished for a 40 year old crime. I think the argument should be whether the manpower should be spent looking into old crimes when there are plenty of very recent crimes kicking around waiting to be solved. Or if we've got police with nothing else to do other than look into decades old crimes, lay them off and cut the tax burden a little.

Not as much fun as laying off teachers and whatnot or raising taxes, just sayin.


In most departments when a street cop makes detective they get a cold case to look into while they are learning the ropes and the keep that case until they leave and then they pass it on to the next "new guy". Most of the time in these old cases the police have a pretty good idea who did it, but they just don't have enough evidence to bring it to trial. I know it is hard to believe, but good police officers don't manufacturer evidence just to get a conviction. With the advancement in forensic evidence processing getting better everyday expect more older criminals being brought to justice. But, please cop haters please don't look beyond your hatred.
 
2011-10-21 06:27:24 PM

tarhammer: I think the argument should be whether the manpower should be spent looking into old crimes when there are plenty of very recent crimes kicking around waiting to be solved.


Ah, picking winners and losers in the criminal investigation department.
 
2011-10-21 06:47:11 PM

tarhammer: I dont think the argument should be around whether she should be tried and punished for a 40 year old crime. I think the argument should be whether the manpower should be spent looking into old crimes when there are plenty of very recent crimes kicking around waiting to be solved. Or if we've got police with nothing else to do other than look into decades old crimes, lay them off and cut the tax burden a little.


Because the message should be that murder is always wrong unless you hide for a few weeks.
 
2011-10-21 07:27:51 PM
Subby is either a total retard or an epic troll.

/special credit goes to the mod who greenlit this
 
2011-10-21 07:30:30 PM
I think the message should be that our law enforcement cycles get spent on stuff where the crime is recent and theres a decent chance of solving it and bringing a fresh perpetrator to justice. Thats not cop hating, the crime didnt happen a few weeks ago, or picking winners and losers. It seems rather evident that a 40 year old unresolved murder is pretty much a loser.

We're also flying blind on all of the details around the killing. Maybe old Cruz was kicking her around every night and she'd had enough.

If nothing else, these guys with all the free time to look into stale cases might provide a better service by looking for whatever 17 year old blonde is missing, preferably on a small island somewhere.
 
2011-10-21 08:24:02 PM

RY28: I wonder how many more she killed in the mean time .

 
2011-10-21 11:03:48 PM

No YOU'RE a Towel: There is no statute of limitations on murder.


As wonky as Texas usually is, I have no problem with this.
 
2011-10-21 11:18:46 PM

blahpers: No YOU'RE a Towel: There is no statue of limitations on murder.

FTFY.

/sorry, pet peeve


Rotsky? Rotsky?
 
2011-10-21 11:38:26 PM
I was wondering if anyone would remember the pet peeve/rotsky cliche
 
2011-10-21 11:49:36 PM

tarhammer: We're also flying blind on all of the details around the killing. Maybe old Cruz was kicking her around every night and she'd had enough.


Well if we are defending our positions by just making things up, maybe she molested and murdered dozens 6 year olds in the meantime. Thanks for trying to keep this menace on the streets, tarhammer.

/Or, you know we could just not be imbeciles and know that most crimes have a statute of limitations on them, and murder being an exception is done so for obvious reasons.
 
2011-10-21 11:51:59 PM
blogs.kansascity.com
Murder stays murder.


/sorry, couldn't find a pic from season one's "One Arrest"
 
2011-10-21 11:58:01 PM

tarhammer:

We're also flying blind on all of the details around the killing. Maybe old Cruz was kicking her around every night and she'd had enough.


It's certainly possible -- I wondered about that when reading the comments from her children about how they were satisfied with her version of things. It could well be that the guy was abusive, or at least she led her children to believe that. And of course forty years ago there was a lot less known about how abusive relationships work and she may have had few or no resources to leave.

That being said, however, this doesn't sound like a spur of the moment or self-defense sort of thing. Grabbing a kitchen knife or a rolling pin to hit back when your husband is trying to pin you against the wall is one thing, but this sounds a bit more premeditated. In TFA it says she boiled a pot of grease and then threw it on him. Unless he happened to attack her just as she was preparing to make a jumbo batch of deep-fried doughnuts, that sounds like something that was planned, and planned to inflict maximum pain no less -- burns are a horrible way to die and this poor guy held on for three days. A gun would have been kinder. No matter what the background, if someone plans a murder ahead of time and carries it through, she needs to answer for it. She may be able to show extenuating circumstances, or not, she may get real jail time, or not. But there needs to be a day in court.

Also, I can't help asking -- what if SHE was the abusive one? Female as well as male abusers will burn their victims, albeit not usually on such a scale. I'm not saying she is, but it's a possibility until we know more.
 
2011-10-22 01:54:38 AM

BurnShrike: Hey guys, has anyone else repeated my joke that she looks a lot like Anne Ramsey from Throw Momma From the Train and Goonies?


Just when did you make it? In a red lit thread?
 
2011-10-22 02:36:09 AM
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Danny Aiello's looking really old.
 
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