No Umbrella City?

colinspooky: Hang on, wasn't Rio the first to be hit by Bug inter-planetary artillery? Well, I am not going there, so ner to your Bug spy plans

Buenos Aires was. However, Rio has 60,000 unsolved murders over the past 10 years.

I'm already in Kansas City. So you can get off my lawn.

We have to be careful about how many people take refuge on Guam, since the island might capsize.

Are we talking the Zombie apocalypse, or the latest Harold camping Apocalypse?

'cause you need to prepare differently for those.


Camping's insanity is more of a beer occasion, where zombies are best prepared for with hard liquor.

Isn't the Apocalypse supposed to begin...today?

/I didn't see Cincinnati on that list.

Ponzholio: colinspooky: Hang on, wasn't Rio the first to be hit by Bug inter-planetary artillery? Well, I am not going there, so ner to your Bug spy plans

And Kansas City was in 'The Day After'...

Yeah, the writer of the article doesn't have a clue.

Kansas City has no mass transit and has more highway miles per resident than any other city in the US. If there is an oil issue, KC will suffer more than NY, Chicago, or even St Louis. In addition, the rail convergence makes us a military target. The only calamity that KC would do well with is an actual zombie outbreak, but what are the odds of that?

kent_eh: Are we talking the Zombie apocalypse, or the latest Harold camping Apocalypse?
'cause you need to prepare differently for those.
Camping's insanity is more of a beer occasion, where zombies are best prepared for with hard liquor.

Oh, I almost forgot. The Mayan Scenario. That calls for wine. Or maybe Tequila.

It's important to know these things.

Yay! So I have a plan now. That's a huge relief.

I just hope the other 6.XX billion people on the planet don't get wind of this and try to get to one of these places when the shiat hits the fan.

I think I'll stick with my Kootenays B.C. plan, thanks. It's pretty much the Yukon, but not as cold.

madgonad: Ponzholio: colinspooky: Hang on, wasn't Rio the first to be hit by Bug inter-planetary artillery? Well, I am not going there, so ner to your Bug spy plans

And Kansas City was in 'The Day After'...

Yeah, the writer of the article doesn't have a clue.

Kansas City has no mass transit and has more highway miles per resident than any other city in the US. If there is an oil issue, KC will suffer more than NY, Chicago, or even St Louis. In addition, the rail convergence makes us a military target. The only calamity that KC would do well with is an actual zombie outbreak, but what are the odds of that?

Yea, but there are lots and lots of nice missile silos (Link ) around the area you could take refuge in. Not to mention how like in Deep Impact where they sent off 1 million chosen survivors to the caves North East of the city.

madgonad: The only calamity that KC would do well with is an actual zombie outbreak, but what are the odds of that?

Depends, is Todd Sheets still making movies?

As a KC resident I've long said that Lake City Army Ammo Plant would be an excellent place to bunker down at when the world ends. Plenty of security fences, weapons, ammo, cropland, etc.

Hmm...family in Guam...friends in KC...I feel safer already!

KC would be a great place. The entirety of Johnson County is build on farm land. KC existed long before the advent of the automobile.

Other than that, I think the apocalypse will be when the entire internet turns into nothing but slideshows.

dr_iacovone: Not to mention how like in Deep Impact where they sent off 1 million chosen survivors to the caves North East of the city.

One thing KC has going for it is caves. I'd known about the 'SubTropolis' (under Worlds of Fun) ones for years. Then, I started having reasons to visit others. Under Parkville. Several in Bonner Springs. Some in Lenexa/Shawnee. Lee's Summit. The underground warehouse space in the area is astounding.

I'm not sure I can get to any of those places before the world ends later today. What times does the rapture finish again?

It'll probably be at the end of the work day.

fruitloop: Isn't the Apocalypse supposed to begin...today?


Yah. I'm tempted to go lay a whole bunch of empty complete outfits around town, for the lulz.

madgonad: Ponzholio: colinspooky: Hang on, wasn't Rio the first to be hit by Bug inter-planetary artillery? Well, I am not going there, so ner to your Bug spy plans

And Kansas City was in 'The Day After'...

Yeah, the writer of the article doesn't have a clue.

Kansas City has no mass transit and has more highway miles per resident than any other city in the US. If there is an oil issue, KC will suffer more than NY, Chicago, or even St Louis. In addition, the rail convergence makes us a military target. The only calamity that KC would do well with is an actual zombie outbreak, but what are the odds of that?

Living in KC, I whave always thought we would weather a TEOTWAWKI crisis better than most. We are a military target but we have the advantage of being easily evacuated. That's where all those highway miles come as an advantage along with no unavoidable natural barriers. Given an oil issue, those railroads are an asset. Goods will be shipped by rail in greater quantites since its cheaper to fuel a train than the fleet of trucks it takes to carry the same goods. There is no public transit now. Given an oil crisis, it will develop hurridly.

I quit at Denver. Denver, a defensible city? WTF? Sure, you aren't going to roll an army in over the mountains from the west, but from any other direction, it's plains, and it's not like the western edge of the city is actually in the mountains either. The river is not much of a challenge as far as that goes. How could a city possibly be easier to surround and attack?

I suppose they mean it's so far from national borders, but if we're looking at a collapse, it isn't a foreign power you're defending your city from.

conductormtm: madgonad: Ponzholio: colinspooky: Hang on, wasn't Rio the first to be hit by Bug inter-planetary artillery? Well, I am not going there, so ner to your Bug spy plans

And Kansas City was in 'The Day After'...

Yeah, the writer of the article doesn't have a clue.

Kansas City has no mass transit and has more highway miles per resident than any other city in the US. If there is an oil issue, KC will suffer more than NY, Chicago, or even St Louis. In addition, the rail convergence makes us a military target. The only calamity that KC would do well with is an actual zombie outbreak, but what are the odds of that?

Living in KC, I whave always thought we would weather a TEOTWAWKI crisis better than most. We are a military target but we have the advantage of being easily evacuated. That's where all those highway miles come as an advantage along with no unavoidable natural barriers. Given an oil issue, those railroads are an asset. Goods will be shipped by rail in greater quantites since its cheaper to fuel a train than the fleet of trucks it takes to carry the same goods. There is no public transit now. Given an oil crisis, it will develop hurridly.

Honestly, in those regards KC isn't a bad place to live. Now if only we could get the anti-strip club laws repealed.

Whoever wrote this slideshow doesn't really have much of a chance of survival anyway.

Among his recommendations are:

1) Living in Denver will protect you from rising sea levels, you know, just in case the ocean rises a mile with no physical explanation; and

2) Living in Kansas City because, and I quote, "it's also at the intersection of several rail lines, so that if we experience an oil spike of unimaginable proportions, you'll still have access to transportation."

Because trains run on vibes and magic pixie dust.

Much of this article recommends that you find a remote empty place suitable for subsistence farming, and the author can only think of major landmarks and cities. This is silly because most of the US is remote empty space. Typical city thinking. You don't have to go to Guam or the Yukon territory to be far away from other people; you don't even need to go to Montana or North Dakota. New Yorkers can drive 100-200 miles into the state and never be seen again. If you live in NY or PA and not in the big city, you can probably just walk a few miles up the hill and never be seen again.

I bet I can have more fun in Rio during apocalypse than all eternity in Kansas City

The only place that made sense was Denver. You want to go to high ground because most world ending events will likely involve tidal waves or the rising sea. The only event that would remove Denver from the list would be the Yellowstone explosion.

fruitloop: Isn't the Apocalypse supposed to begin...today?

/I didn't see Cincinnati on that list.

Next Friday, that clown who predicted today has a proven track record of wrong.

I thought Kansas City was hell.

Snort: I thought Kansas City was hell.

It's not all that bad, I mean we have beer. (pops)

Yeah Rio is great except for the water sanity and pollution problems and besides most of those unsolved murders happens in the favelas/ghettos.shanty towns, mostly. My money is on Estes Park though cause we all know all work and no play makes Jack something something.

rev. dave: Next Friday, that clown who predicted today has a proven track record of wrong.



Nooooooooooo! My last major vacation time for the year starts then! If I don't take it. I'll lose the hours.

Dear Red, If you're reading this, you've gotten out. And if you've come this far, maybe you're willing to come a little further. You remember the name of the town, don't you? I could use a good man to help me get my project on wheels. I'll keep an eye out for you and the chessboard ready. Remember, Red. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. I will be hoping that this letter finds you, and finds you well. Your friend, Andy

Meh, I'm staying in SE Ohio

Plenty of wood for fuel/construction. Plenty of wild animals for game. Good garden/crop growing climate.

The only bad thing would be the occasional snow storm, but with a fireplace/wood burning stove and a large cellar full of canned food I think I could weather it.

Just need to get better defenses. And get to know my hill billy neighbors more so I can trade for moonshine.

/also, a library would be nice to have
//in the case of an Apocalypse, the hillbillies will outlast us all....only because they live like that now.

HEY SUBBY! KC has way less crime than Rio, and our murder rate is back down below that of some of the safest cities in America including Detroit and Atlanta.

conductormtm: Living in KC, I whave always thought we would weather a TEOTWAWKI crisis better than most. We are a military target but we have the advantage of being easily evacuated. That's where all those highway miles come as an advantage along with no unavoidable natural barriers. Given an oil issue, those railroads are an asset. Goods will be shipped by rail in greater quantites since its cheaper to fuel a train than the fleet of trucks it takes to carry the same goods. There is no public transit now. Given an oil crisis, it will develop hurridly.

Effective mass transit takes a decade to develop.... at best.

The metro area was designed specifically around the car. While there are still lots of workers downtown, most new jobs are being created in bland office buildings scattered around Johnson County, KS. There is no centralization which means that mass transit is unlikely to be an option. It just doesn't take people from where they live to where they work. The only thing that can save KC from OPEC is the electric car.

And as previously mentioned, strip club laws now suck here.

My plan is to just stick to the The Road. I'm sure everything will be just fine.

pearls before swine: I quit at Denver. Denver, a defensible city? WTF? Sure, you aren't going to roll an army in over the mountains from the west, but from any other direction, it's plains, and it's not like the western edge of the city is actually in the mountains either. The river is not much of a challenge as far as that goes. How could a city possibly be easier to surround and attack?

In the event of a land threat to Denver, well thats why Fort Carson is south of Denver.

"Fort Carson is the home of the 4th Infantry Division, the 10th Special Forces Group, the 71st Ordnance Group (EOD), the 4th Engineer Battalion, the 759th Military Police Battalion, the 10th Combat Support Hospital, the 43rd Sustainment Brigade, and the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron of the United States Air Force."

And an F-16 squadron at Buckley Air Force Base.

FlameDuck: I bet I can have more fun in Rio during apocalypse than all eternity in Kansas City

Go over to the corner of Oak and 11th street and throw some loose change in the fountains (or any fountain around the city) and watch the bums fight it out. Entertainment that lasts all day long.

Burr: Meh, I'm staying in SE Ohio.

Staying where you are is probably your best bet, contrary to all this survivalist claptrap.

Surviving a total collapse of society will probably require you to exercise your connections, your knowledge of the community, knowledge of the terrain, and probably rely on some semblance of law and order that will remain.

You lose all of these if you uproot yourself and move to a far-away location. Now you no longer know a neighbor who's kid is a dentist, you have no idea how to get out of town if all the overpasses collapse, you have no idea if your newly acquired farmland floods on an annual basis, and most importantly you just walked onto someone else's turf and are farming/hunting with a tenuous claim on the land.

In contrast, suppose you have a house on a decent lot in a moderately populated residential area, and just stay there when the economy crashes. You know how to get things you need, you know your town, you know where in the hills you can hide or hunt or plant your weed potatoes, and if there is any shred of common law left, it's far more likely people will recognize your house as your property.

City people will have a hard time surviving due to a food shortage, but they won't overrun your rural township in massive hordes because it will never occur to them to travel to a place that isn't a big star on a map. They may balloon out into Westchester County or New Jersey, but if you're far enough from the city that you do not encounter city traffic, you probably won't have to worry.

/But then, city traffic goes all the way out to Easton, PA
//SE Ohio is probably an ideal place to wait out the apocalypse, anyway

Xcott: Burr: Meh, I'm staying in SE Ohio.

Staying where you are is probably your best bet, contrary to all this survivalist claptrap.

Surviving a total collapse of society will probably require you to exercise your connections, your knowledge of the community, knowledge of the terrain, and probably rely on some semblance of law and order that will remain.


If things were to end it is not the looters or criminals who you should be afraid of but the police. They will try to approach all problems with militancy and their knowledge of the law makes them able to justify any actions they take since everything is illegal. This is why an armed society is needed, because when things fall apart the people you are supposed to trust the most are the most dangerous.

The whole Earth is going to be destroyed by the hand of God!
Obvious vacation spot is the Moon. At least till things cool down.

Oh, yeah, isn't the world supposed to end today?

And I'm still trying to find some green before I go to the mountains after work :(

When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything happens there 10 years later. - Mark Twain

/live just outside of there