If it wasn't pot, and wasn't federally illegal or specifically restricted for servicemen/women, why are they being booted? Except for the ones doing cocaine or meth, no crime was committed.

As long as they do their job, why is this even an issue? F*cking ridiculous.

It amazes me how ignorant people are to this stuff. There are no less then 3 convenience stores near me that sell "incense". It's high is similar to cannabis but with more confusion/paranoia. I'd say it is worse in some ways and overall.

/We continue to arrest people for possession of a plant who's active chemical is safer then alcohol.
//2 Attempts now to ban this stuff has just resulted in them finding another way around it.
///Your kids are on drugs. Your kids are buying this stuff everywhere and smoking it. Nobody seems to care or be aware anymore. It's amazing.

amo: By your logic, they shouldn't have access to alcohol or nicotine either.

They don't. Not while deployed.

/...not sure about nicotine, but that's a stimulant.

I wonder if any that are getting the boot are going to have anything to say about the goings-on of that particular day.

Legal or otherwise, I'd prefer my aircraft carriers be sober vessels until the sailors are on leave.

I don't know much about the navy though. Lets say they work 6 days a week or whatever on the carrier and then get a day of rest. Do they all have stocks of liquor and get sloshed on day 7?

Given the cost of a carrier and the fact that we never know when we'd need one in combat, I'd think that would be a bad idea too.

Shoulda' been a dick and not a joint you were suckin' on sailor!

/why'd I just do that?

cman: Weed impaires. Imagine a pilot who is high as a kite attempting to land on an aircraft carrier.

When you are out to sea, anything can happen. For all you know, a terrorist could ram a boat full of TNT into your ship. Those guys who are high wont be any good help to anyone in an emergency situation

amo: gopher321: Pardon me for saying so, but the people responsible for guarding your nation shouldn't be high as a kite while handling weapons and/or making critical decisions. I mean, you wouldn't want them drunk on duty either, would you? Who cares if it's pot or some synth drug?

By your logic, they shouldn't have access to alcohol or nicotine either.

Nicotine does not impaire.

You sound impaireed.

Ynav eht nioj?

whoops farked that up.

We was comin' back from dumping Bin Laden... Sixty four men went into the water. We were taking bong hits that lasted for 12 minutes. Didn't see the first narc for about a half an hour. . . Very first light, Chief, narcs come cruisin', so we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know, it was kinda like old squares in the battle like you see in the calendar named "The Battle of Waterloo" and the idea was: narc comes to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the narc will go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that narc he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a narc... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he busts ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... the tape turns red, and despite all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip your career to pieces. Anyway, we dumped Bin Laden.

The military is extremist in almost all that it does. It enforces rules to the nth degree, that's what makes it the military. The military has a zero tolerance drug policy. You sign multiple forms acknowledging that fact. They make it infinitely clear that no drug use, of any kind, will be tolerated. Pharmaceuticals used without a prescription or even with a prescription but beyond approved use is considered a violation. While I was in the military I signed a form saying that I would not use Ephedrine, on penalty of being prosecuted for drug use. I also signed a form saying that using cleansing agents to hide or expunge drugs from my system so as to fool testing would be prosecuted as drug use. The military would prosecute someone for taking excessive amounts of nutmeg for its hallucinogenic properties if they could prove it.

This is not news. These guys violated a contract with the US government, which is a crime whether Subby likes it or not.

Wow

This thread sure started out with a thunderous display of derp.

It's the military. Don't like the rules? Don't sign up.

I guarantee you there was no question by the users of whatever it was that they weren't supposed to be using it. If there were, if this is a gray area under UCMJ, whatever, their JAG will get them honorables and they will go on their way.

/hardly worth outrage or argument

cman: Weed impaires. Imagine a pilot who is high as a kite attempting to land on an aircraft carrier.


You know, I've been inside the cockpit of an F/15, and there ain't much room for your bong, so I highly doubt there are going to be pilots on maneuvers hitting the bong..

Lligeret: I think the real problem is the lack of a Dune reference so far.

Yeah man, puffffffff, we dumped binladen, pufffffff, then we dumped the easter bunny man,puffffff, then bugs bunny man.

GAT_00:

Because in the event of a war, a carrier is really going to high tail it back to port because the cigs all ran out.

No that's what the resupply ships in the fleet are for. Not fuel, ammo or anything dangerous but cigarettes and condoms.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: cman: Weed impaires. Imagine a pilot who is high as a kite attempting to land on an aircraft carrier.


You know, I've been inside the cockpit of an F/15, and there ain't much room for your bong, so I highly doubt there are going to be pilots on maneuvers hitting the bong..



This just in, the effects of drugs often persist for a certain period of time after the act of consumption has been completed.

Film at 11.

cman: Weed impaires. Imagine a pilot who is high as a kite attempting to land on an aircraft carrier.

That sounds fun.

Nuclear Pancake: It amazes me how ignorant people are to this stuff. There are no less then 3 convenience stores near me that sell "incense". It's high is similar to cannabis but with more confusion/paranoia. I'd say it is worse in some ways and overall.

I think the stuff is great. Lasts an hour or so and then you are stone sober again. Perfect for movies.

gopher321: Pardon me for saying so, but the people responsible for guarding your nation shouldn't be high as a kite while handling weapons and/or making critical decisions. I mean, you wouldn't want them drunk on duty either, would you? Who cares if it's pot or some synth drug?

You and I may not want them that way, but history is pretty clear on this one. War sucks and a lot of your soldiers are going to get farked up to deal with it. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Better to encourage the gentler stuff than get them hooked on the hard shiat. These soldiers were willing enough to at least go for the dubiously "legal stuff." I don't see how discouraging that is going to do anything but bite us in the ass down the line.

caffeine, nicotine and alcohol banned. Let's see the effect...

shivashakti: If it wasn't pot, and wasn't federally illegal or specifically restricted for servicemen/women, why are they being booted? Except for the ones doing cocaine or meth, no crime was committed.

As long as they do their job, why is this even an issue? F*cking ridiculous.

HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE, CONTROLS THE OCEANS!

Was HOPING for a Dune reference...and am leaving sorely disappointed after seeing the cat/dune reference.


This place is about as masculine as Richard Simmons.

There's just something about an old spice man.

/whistling a jaunty sea shanty

gopher321: Pardon me for saying so, but the people responsible for guarding your nation shouldn't be high as a kite while handling weapons and/or making critical decisions. I mean, you wouldn't want them drunk on duty either, would you? Who cares if it's pot or some synth drug?


So, you approve of random drug testing for our leaders?

cman: Nicotine does not impaire.

Does it impaire speeling?

This is nothing new for the military. The UCMJ has a catch-all article (it's been too long, I don't remember which one it is) for situations like this - where the drug isn't illegal per se, but they don't like it. It's silly and arcane, but as someone else has said, that's what the military is all about.

In all seriousness, these 'fake weed' products are kind of lame, but they do fark you up and you are sober in an hour or so. But rules is rules in the military.

/dropped acid in the barracks
//ate shrooms in the barracks
///smoked pot in the barracks
////no longer lives in the barracks.

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: cman: Weed impaires. Imagine a pilot who is high as a kite attempting to land on an aircraft carrier.


You know, I've been inside the cockpit of an F/15, and there ain't much room for your bong, so I highly doubt there are going to be pilots on maneuvers hitting the bong..

This is a Navy story, Eagle is an AF bird.

Having been honorably discharged from the Navy 2 years ago I can attest to them taking it very seriously. In regards to a previous comment about nicotine not being available during deployment, well that's just plain false. There are multiple "ship stores" onboard a carrier, and they are always stocked with tobacco products. When they do run out however, people sell chewing tobacco and cigarettes that they've hoarded for upwards of $10-15 per can/pack (I knew a guy that bought a SINGLE cigarette for $5, and he was grateful for that... to put it in perspective about withdrawls).

People drink a lot on ship's as well, although it's kept hidden. Most ship's even have what's called "beer days" when you've been out to sea for something like 60 days consecutively. Everyone gets 2 cans, and if you choose to have them you have to drink them right there, to prevent people from selling those too. The beer was warm.

violentsalvation: Nuclear Pancake: It amazes me how ignorant people are to this stuff. There are no less then 3 convenience stores near me that sell "incense". It's high is similar to cannabis but with more confusion/paranoia. I'd say it is worse in some ways and overall.

/We continue to arrest people for possession of a plant who's active chemical is safer then alcohol.
//2 Attempts now to ban this stuff has just resulted in them finding another way around it.
///Your kids are on drugs. Your kids are buying this stuff everywhere and smoking it. Nobody seems to care or be aware anymore. It's amazing.

I agree with you. I think all drugs should be legal. But if they were legal I would not have a problem with employers still not hiring or firing drug users from important positions that require a clear mind and judgement -- kinda like it is now for employers. Members of the military are in the positions that require a clear mind at all times.

Your stance on employers using drug tests to screen employees still assumes that the drug use will necessarily affect job performance. Why? No one tries to argue that people should be able to come to work impaired. If other drugs became legal, there is no reason why an employer should be able to use evidence of drug use after hours as a reason to not hire or fire someone. They don't do that for alcohol now. It would perpetuate the horrible double standard that some drugs are ok to use and some aren't even on your own time.

Nicotine reduces blood flow (new window), giving you a buzz from lack of oxygen
It's a drug that impedes

Buried or burned?

Uneven Displacement: This is nothing new for the military. The UCMJ has a catch-all article (it's been too long, I don't remember which one it is) for situations like this - where the drug isn't illegal per se, but they don't like it. It's silly and arcane, but as someone else has said, that's what the military is all about.

In all seriousness, these 'fake weed' products are kind of lame, but they do fark you up and you are sober in an hour or so. But rules is rules in the military.

/dropped acid in the barracks
//ate shrooms in the barracks
///smoked pot in the barracks
////no longer lives in the barracks.


Just replace "in the barracks" with "with your mom" and that's me, to a tee. small world.