Wow Submitter. That's a W.O.P.R. of a story there.

Was the ironic tag out at the movies or something?

He was just trying to score some chemo he could write off as a business expense.

Wow. So he really did think he invented everything. He probably thinks he wrote the "fishsticks" joke.

GreenAdder: Wow. So he really did think he invented everything. He probably thinks he wrote the "fishsticks" joke.

He tried to patent death but the paperwork is still pending.

M$ stole the notion of folders? Really? Let's all go back to calling the concept "directories" and forget about all this crap about who's obvious idea it was. And while we're at it, lets get the marketers some honest jobs.

Fark Steve Jobs.

/Sent from my iMac

Well then, good thing he died of cancer.

Apple stole the numerical sequence of the numbers from Alexander Graham Bell... who stole it from the Arabs... who stole it from the Chinese... etc.

jebusfreak: Apple stole the numerical sequence of the numbers from Alexander Graham Bell... who stole it from the Arabs... who stole it from the Chinese... etc.

First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil.

If Steve Jobs had been a musician, he would have tried to patent the C-chord.

"That's MY idea! Quit STEALING it!"

tallguywithglasseson: If Steve Jobs had been a musician, he would have tried to patent the C-chord.

Just stay away from A minor.

Apple Hate: the tea party comes to the Geek tab

jaylectricity: Just stay away from A minor.

You sound like my parole officer.

Uncle Wiggly: Apple Hate: the tea party comes to the Geek tab

It's not Apple hate. It just takes an enormous amount of ego to think his phone should be the only one allowed on the market and everyone that competes is stealing from them.


In the world, a lot of things look alike. Cars look alike, operating systems look alike, houses look alike, televisions look alike, telephones look alike, etc..

When something is ergonomic, it will simply be used by others. Even Apple took clues from other people like Palm and Blackberry. They all had a screen with icons... Apple just made them better. Once it was made better, Steve Jobs decided he owned the idea.

It's just a lot of hubris and ego... which sort of explains the level of delusion it takes to think your mind is so powerful you can use happy thoughts and ginger root to cure cancer.

Cubansaltyballs: Uncle Wiggly: Apple Hate: the tea party comes to the Geek tab

It's not Apple hate

I remember the days when Apple enthusiast had better arguments than some WT skank on a daytime talk show.

Good times.

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs said. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product

Didn't we resolve this crap back when Lotus claimed 1-2-3 slashies were patentitable?

Sweet Jesus wept.

Cubansaltyballs: Uncle Wiggly: Apple Hate: the tea party comes to the Geek tab

It's not Apple hate.

But great design starts somewhere. Every innovation starts with someone, and there's never been clarity of design in Microsoft software or in the early Android. Everyone had access to the same pool of technology--the mouse, the LCD, the color screen--but Microsoft has played catch-up for decades, and only recently has Android broken free of the clumsy design. Cars look alike because they look like horse carriages. Even the names--sedan, brougham, landau, coupe--are names from the 19c. And when form follows function into sterility you wind up with Bauhaus and Mies instead of the richness of Louis Sullivan or Frank Lloyd Wright. Cadillacs and Mercedes have their own strong engineering heritage, but one is better designed and easier to use and has greater loyalty than the other. (And is Android the Audi?)

As far the illness? I didn't know that til a few weeks ago. I don't understand how a man who believed in technology could turn his back on it. Perhaps he was as familiar with its failures and did not trust doctors. Well, it's his loss, and it's ours.

As far as design, you're right. We're reaching an OS bottleneck. The phone is a step towards the desktop, but the key is Office. Microsoft's ribbon design was a critical step because it moved to a Web 2.0 metaphor, and they took the hit for it. Their Achilles heel is still the steady bedazzling of the UI so it looks like an armadillo. Their saving grace is the low adoption rates of other formats and the relentless mismanagement of Adobe's Acrobat--which should've provided a bridge between formats.

The next steps are fairly clear: breaking the computer into its components, flexible screens (which have been 10 years away for the last 10 years), better handwriting recognition, better voice recognition. The great move will be the abandonment of the keyboard all together. And the only cloud is the EM radiation problem, because we'll put our computers in our wallets or on inside pockets of our shirts where holsters would go.

tallguywithglasseson: Cubansaltyballs: Uncle Wiggly: Apple Hate: the tea party comes to the Geek tab

It's not Apple hate

I remember the days when Apple enthusiast had better arguments than some WT skank on a daytime talk show.

Good times.

Go your happy place, which, I imagine, is your Coby MP-C MP3 player.

Uncle Wiggly: Go your happy place, which, I imagine, is your Coby MP-C MP3 player.

Oh, you're just a Coby hater. Jealous!

Uncle Wiggly: Perhaps he was as familiar with its failures and did not trust doctors.

I actually just read something about this today. He didn't want to be "violated".

"I asked him and he said, 'I didn't want my body to be opened ... I didn't want to be violated in that way.' I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking. We talked about this a lot. He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it ... I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner." (new window)

Oh well. Wonder if he literally spent his dying breath trying to "destroy" Android.

Uncle Wiggly: But great design starts somewhere. Every innovation starts with someone, and there's never been clarity of design in Microsoft software or in the early Android. Everyone had access to the same pool of technology--the mouse, the LCD, the color screen--but Microsoft has played catch-up for decades, and only recently has Android broken free of the clumsy design. Cars look alike because they look like horse carriages. Even the names--sedan, brougham, landau, coupe--are names from the 19c. And when form follows function into sterility you wind up with Bauhaus and Mies instead of the richness of Louis Sullivan or Frank Lloyd Wright. Cadillacs and Mercedes have their own strong engineering heritage, but one is better designed and easier to use and has greater loyalty than the other. (And is Android the Audi?)


The only thing that really bothers me about Jobs' sentiment is that it's not good business... it just seems paranoid and hypocritical. When Ali fought Foreman, he wanted to beat him. He didn't want to kill him. There's a difference between two strong opponents fighting it out in the ring in that it usually makes both of them stronger, than just shooting your opponent in the neck and watching him die.

There's also some crazy irony with Apple suing everyone for stealing "their" ideas... most of the ideas originated elsewhere, they just made them better. All the core features of the iPhone existed before, and all they did was integrate them and improve on them. If Android should be executed for taking Apple's ideas, the iPhone should be executed for taking ideas from Windows mobile, Palm, and Blackberry. Apple is not innocent when it comes to using the ideas of others. Hell, Apple even stole the name of the OS from Cisco.

tallguywithglasseson: Uncle Wiggly: Perhaps he was as familiar with its failures and did not trust doctors.

I actually just read something about this today. He didn't want to be "violated".

"I asked him and he said, 'I didn't want my body to be opened ... I didn't want to be violated in that way.' I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking. We talked about this a lot. He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it ... I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner." (new window)

Oh well. Wonder if he literally spent his dying breath trying to "destroy" Android.

I wonder if he ever had an introspective moment and realized he was not god.

tallguywithglasseson: Uncle Wiggly: Perhaps he was as familiar with its failures and did not trust doctors.

I actually just read something about this today. He didn't want to be "violated".

"Oh well. Wonder if he literally spent his dying breath trying to "destroy" Android.

Khan: [quoting from Melville's Moby Dick] To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

/stolen from IMDB.

Cubansaltyballs: The only thing that really bothers me about Jobs' sentiment is that it's not good business... it just seems paranoid and hypocritical. When Ali fought Foreman, he wanted to beat him. He didn't want to kill him. There's a difference between two strong opponents fighting it out in the ring in that it usually makes both of them stronger, than just shooting your opponent in the neck and watching him die.

There's also some crazy irony with Apple suing everyone for stealing "their" ideas... most of the ideas originated elsewhere, they just made them better. All the core features of the iPhone existed before, and all they did was integrate them and improve on them. If Android should be executed for taking Apple's ideas, the iPhone should be executed for taking ideas from Windows mobile, Palm, and Blackberry. Apple is not innocent when it comes to using the ideas of others. Hell, Apple even stole the name of the OS from Cisco.

I'm the first to admit I don't understand the intricate nature of patents, but I understand the loathsome grasping nature of patent trolls. I disagree with the analogy. Fights are constrained by rules, time and the ring so they perpetuate fights. Business is low-intensity warfare between city-states. Sometimes it's handled rationally, sometimes not. You do whatever you can get away with.

With the entry of Google into the OS market, there's a software competition that hasn't been seen since Navigator 4.72. Nothing comes close except XBOX, PS3 and Wii (and I wouldn't be surprised to see Google try to buy Sony). So the gloves come off, and as the underdog Apple can navigate the courts in a way that the larger companies can't because they're larger.

Are we talking something pathetic like the SCO patent fights? I hope not. Then Apple deserves what it gets. But companies pursue patent claims. The courts are a dimension of warfare in the same way the air is. Is Steve Jobs last act to spread FUD? Again, I hope not. I think his biography--the source of this link--is more like a 100,000 word codicil to his will.

Cubansaltyballs:

I wonder if he ever had an introspective moment and realized he was not god.

I think it's the essence of the 2005 Stanford speech. But it's one thing to realize it and another to admit it, when you realize that Woz and Gates and the rest will live another 40 years and you will be lucky to have 4 years. Refusing treatment was a gamble just like everything else, but it failed miserably.

Uncle Wiggly: So the gloves come off, and as the underdog Apple can navigate the courts in a way that the larger companies can't because they're larger.

Is Apple the underdog? Do you realize how huge Apple is? Is it 1980? Random use of boldface.

tallguywithglasseson: Uncle Wiggly: So the gloves come off, and as the underdog Apple can navigate the courts in a way that the larger companies can't because they're larger.

Is Apple the underdog? Do you realize how huge Apple is? Is it 1980? Random use of boldface.

Yes, that's why I mentioned buying Sony, but does anyone think that stock is more than a bubble? I mean, really? What justifies it? It's like the company should be called Tulip. As far as the bolding, I was about to say something nice about your Coby, but not anymore. Yep. The bolding's a choice. I have three options: type less, break into paragraphs, use bold as punctuation. While the first option is the one that makes the most sense to most people, I choose the third.

And it's Mr. Random Use of Boldface to you.

Uncle Wiggly: don't understand how a man who believed in technology could turn his back on it.

Medicine isn't technology like Jobs worked with. He was no smarter than you or I in that department.

Expirentially, Your body heals itself of all wounds without medical attention except the last one. It's not even a leap of faith to just say "Let the dice fall where they may." It's dangerous but for inoperable malignant tumors: if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Maybe the doctors just told him "We could do this, this, and this but it has a 3% chance of helping and a 0% chance of saving you longer than a short time." and he decided to just go for a dignified passing. Maybe he was a gambler. Maybe he just screwed the pooch. We'll hopefully never know.

I predict this thread will go long.

That really is a great insight into the mans character, and it explains the really aggressive tactic Apple have pushed regards patents and competitors. The sad thing is is that the tactic has been adopted by everyone else and is slowly becoming normal. You can't do anything now without someone firing a patent lawsuit at you. Of course, just like everything else Apple have done, they didn't invent patent trolling, they just made it popular.

sarah_t_s: That's pretty inventive and original as far as marketing stratergies go.

Marketing strategies haven't changed since the cave man days. They're all still variations on several basic elements of human nature. Apple uses a mixture of bandwagon and sparkly stuff to entice you to buy their shiat. It's been done since silk from China was all the rage in Rome, so much so they had to pay people to build thousands of miles of roads across many kingdoms in Asia to get it.

digistil: Eh, problem with that is math is inherent to the universe. It existed before humans discovered it, and would continue to exist if humans were to become extinct. In order for it to be stolen, it would first need to have been invented.

I think he's specifically referring to the modern base-10 sequence of Arabic numerals, which isn't really inherent.

Started out on Macs in 1986.

Off and on used them since then, and I'm even writing this from a MacBook.

I gleefully say Steve Jobs was, and believe me I mean this in the kindest possible way, a staggering egotist, douchenozzle, supporter of censorship, and a farking moron for not seeking proper medical attention. However he was also ahead of his time. Macs were the first to ship without floppy drives, something every pundit said would "bury" the company, and if I remember correctly around the time he came back on board Apple's stock was hovering around $12 a share.

Props where it's due, of course, but that doesn't mean the man wasn't a coont.

/Woz fan