In before "My BlackBerry is not working" to link to "My BlackBerry is not working"

/USAians:
//Orange=UK mobile network
///Black spot=UK dead spot (no service)

BES can go die in a fire.

DjangoStonereaver: Diogenes: We don't have a corporate standard. I ditched my Blackberry two months ago for an LG Revolution with Android and I haven't looked back.

We used to be a BB-only smartphone shop, with a BES and everything.

Ever since we made iPhones available, and ever since MS Exchange gained the ability to remotely wipe a
remote device, there has been a steady stream of people 'upgrading'.

/Still carries an old sidewheel BB. It does what I need, and will use it until it breaks or isn't supported any more.
//RIM is doomed.

As our service contracts expire - we are ditching BB.

/drtfa
//we are also ditching paying for the device

Shazam999: BES can go die in a fire.

SO MUCH THIS. I hate my BES server with a passion.

I just upgraded my work Blackberry, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability.

Yes, but I would think the frequency of outages would discourage their use at some point.

unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability and security.ftfy

^this^The sys admins have spoken. This is all that need be said.

/ps, it's not a damn computer. It's a farking phone.

DjangoStonereaver: Diogenes: We don't have a corporate standard. I ditched my Blackberry two months ago for an LG Revolution with Android and I haven't looked back.

We used to be a BB-only smartphone shop, with a BES and everything.

Ever since we made iPhones available, and ever since MS Exchange gained the ability to remotely wipe a
remote device, there has been a steady stream of people 'upgrading'.

/Still carries an old sidewheel BB. It does what I need, and will use it until it breaks or isn't supported any more.
//RIM is doomed.

Want to know how I know you know squat about wireless security re: HIPAA, SOX and gubmint security requirements and that statement was pulled out of your ass?

Shazam999: BES can go die in a fire.

So you're saying these lemons are combustible?

unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability.

It's all good.

Hagbardr: So you're saying these lemons are combustible?

They usually are...

It's so bad, Obama switched to the iPhone.

RIM is going down the same path as Nokia, but they don't have a viable OS as Nokia has with Windows. RIM should do a joint venture with HP.

Fourthing for BES can DIAF.

We don't do much with ours, and as long as you don't touch the damned thing it works great. But the first time it gets a little sick it goes down like a girl who smokes on prom night.

The web site for BES 5.0 looks like it was designed by committee. Probably because it was. And the support on it is more expensive than switching to Android phones. And yes I could switch to BES express or lite or whatever the heck they call it.

The only advantage their phones have is battery life.

RIM is going to do just fine outside of the US. People in the Middle East use it because of it's encryption capabilities; it keeps the prying eyes of government out of their communication. Sometimes bad shiat happens, but just because it went down once in all the time you've had it is no reason to drop it entirely.

I had a Blackberry once, never used their messenger or mail apps (had the Storm 1, actually liked it), but I switched to Android when it was clear that BB wasn't investing in full touch devices any time soon.

I don't understand why RIM hasn't moved to a service model for their product anyway?
Set up some minimum specs for to ensure security and make their software run on any device in spec.

unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability.

Done in 2.

BES > all.

eBay corporate policy was the best. they allowed Android then banned it cuz of rooting. Specific jailbreak policies existed too. yay inside scoop.

Had the original iPhone, but ditched for a bb Bold when the contract was up - I'm one of those idiots who has to have tactile (not virtual) keys to type slowly.

But my bold has been a cramp in the ass the last 6-7 months....the updated OS completely screwed up everything I liked about my bb...I can barely read contacts or font with glasses, webpages are impossible...very irritated. Plus my 60+ phone pics disappeared 2 weeks ago. Thin air.

Going to iPhone or Android next spring when my contract is up....I'll get over the slow typing handicap I have with flat screens....

huchipapa: Had the original iPhone, but ditched for a bb Bold when the contract was up - I'm one of those idiots who has to have tactile (not virtual) keys to type slowly.

But my bold has been a cramp in the ass the last 6-7 months....the updated OS completely screwed up everything I liked about my bb...I can barely read contacts or font with glasses, webpages are impossible...very irritated. Plus my 60+ phone pics disappeared 2 weeks ago. Thin air.

Going to iPhone or Android next spring when my contract is up....I'll get over the slow typing handicap I have with flat screens....

Some Android phones still have real keyboards. The slide-out keyboard was one reason I went with the Motorola Droid.

pudding7: I had 8 users switch from Blackberries to the new iPhones that we got today. Soooo annoying. 8 people sitting in their offices all day talking to Siri.

"What is your name?" "My name is Siri."

"Where do you live?" "Where ever you are, that's where I live."

"How do I hide a dead body?" "Are you interested in swamps, dumps, or foundries?"

Oddly enough, the 'where can I hide a dead body' came up at work for me as well. Turns out there aren't any foundries but there are a ton of swamps in SW Louisiana. Who knew?

pudding7: I had 8 users switch from Blackberries to the new iPhones that we got today. Soooo annoying. 8 people sitting in their offices all day talking to Siri.

"What is your name?" "My name is Siri."

"Where do you live?" "Where ever you are, that's where I live."

"How do I hide a dead body?" "Are you interested in swamps, dumps, or foundries?"

Also, if you ask how to dispose of a dead hooker, it looks up local escort services for you.

My 60 year old boss thought that was hilarious.

Sorry Blackberry, but User Experience matters. You never got that, and now you're going too fast to catch up.

Towermonkey:
Oddly enough, the 'where can I hide a dead body' came up at work for me as well. Turns out there aren't any foundries but there are a ton of swamps in SW Louisiana. Who knew?

Not odd at all. It's been all over the internet. Someone found something that could almost pass for a joke, and it's somehow the most delightful and hilarious thing in what passes for some people's lives. Be careful about opening any links that coworker sends you in the next couple months. It'll probably be a Rick Astley video in disguise.

dustlesswalnut: People in the Middle East use it because of it's encryption capabilities; it keeps the prying eyes of government out of their communication.

We used to have a Constitution that took care of that for us, but somewhere along the line with the War on Drugs and War on Terror, we lost that feature.

Mad_Radhu: dustlesswalnut: People in the Middle East use it because of it's encryption capabilities; it keeps the prying eyes of government out of their communication.

We used to have a Constitution that took care of that for us, but somewhere along the line with the War on Drugs and War on Terror, we lost that feature.

We do have it, to a reasonable degree, which is why we don't feel it's a necessity to have encrypted communication for our general texting conversations.

Ghastly: Owned a Blackberry since early 2000s. Just switched to an HTC android smartphone. I'll be damned if I ever buy another Blackberry. It's almost like they have utter contempt for anyone who wants to do anything other than message and send e-mails on their phone.

I love my HTC, but just be prepared to charge that farker all the time. Although apparently the Desire is particularly bad.

unyon: Surly U. Jest: unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability.

It's all good.

You have no idea how timely that was. I just picked up a project yesterday to give a mobility overview presentation for a client. I owe you a beer.

Are you a customer of Good? Recommendation? I know the product I likely need has 'enterprise' in its name, so that oughta be good for a few extra zeros on the cost. Good shiat is never cheap, though.

I saw this software a while ago and want to try it, but the website gives nothing in terms of licensing cost. I know I can call for a quote, but I don't want another sales rep hounding me weekly.

Ditched my BB for a Samsung Galaxy S2. By comparison the BB is a turd. a steaming smelly turd.

MightyPez: I saw this software a while ago and want to try it, but the website gives nothing in terms of licensing cost. I know I can call for a quote, but I don't want another sales rep hounding me weekly.

We used "Good Messaging" for our non-BB folks when I first began my old position.
It was....okay.

There were only about 5 people on it. There were pains but it seemed to work.

We were BB-only for a long time, then the CEOs and such started getting iPhones. So everyone tried to upgrade to iPhones as a shiny new toy, but Finance was biatching because of breaking contracts. Needed a valid reason. Problem was, valid reason just meant supervisor and 99% of these "gimme the new toy" folks were Marketing people whose supervisor was the VP. He had a shiny toy, and signed off everyone on the shiny toy.

All you could enforce was a PIN via Exchange.
You could set up policies, but they had to be in the form of a certificate file you generated, mailed to them, and they had to install. Yeah...

Apple's gotten better in the enterprise integration. But man they have a long time to catch up to BES.

Resetting PINs, resyncing phones, etc. are all corporate policies that are awesome.

User experience? It's your business phone. Does it get your e-mail? Let you make calls? Does the battery last?

but LOL Siri lets me talk to a phone!

Smiths: MightyPez: I saw this software a while ago and want to try it, but the website gives nothing in terms of licensing cost. I know I can call for a quote, but I don't want another sales rep hounding me weekly.

We used "Good Messaging" for our non-BB folks when I first began my old position.
It was....okay.

There were only about 5 people on it. There were pains but it seemed to work.

We were BB-only for a long time, then the CEOs and such started getting iPhones. So everyone tried to upgrade to iPhones as a shiny new toy, but Finance was biatching because of breaking contracts. Needed a valid reason. Problem was, valid reason just meant supervisor and 99% of these "gimme the new toy" folks were Marketing people whose supervisor was the VP. He had a shiny toy, and signed off everyone on the shiny toy.

All you could enforce was a PIN via Exchange.
You could set up policies, but they had to be in the form of a certificate file you generated, mailed to them, and they had to install. Yeah...

Apple's gotten better in the enterprise integration. But man they have a long time to catch up to BES.

Resetting PINs, resyncing phones, etc. are all corporate policies that are awesome.

User experience? It's your business phone. Does it get your e-mail? Let you make calls? Does the battery last?

but LOL Siri lets me talk to a phone!

Ummm... okay. That sounds more like an axe to grind. I was more just looking for information about Good. The certificates are a feature of the iPhone configuration utility.

I'll just end up calling a sales rep and check their pricing and try the demo.

unyon: Surly U. Jest: unyon: It's easy for people to make these sorts of proclamations when discussing the services or devices. Those of us that deal with enterprise-wide management know that iPhone, Android, and even Windows phones have a ways to go to match BES-level manageability.

It's all good.

You have no idea how timely that was. I just picked up a project yesterday to give a mobility overview presentation for a client. I owe you a beer.

Are you a customer of Good? Recommendation? I know the product I likely need has 'enterprise' in its name, so that oughta be good for a few extra zeros on the cost. Good shiat is never cheap, though.

i am a user (i.e., not an administrator) of good for enterprise on an iphone.

you cannot send an attachment with an email.

nhops: Don't be too sure about that... (new window)

One of the many reasons I ditched BB...

Yeah, that was a preliminary agreement, and based on the events of last week, it seems like all of their servers are still in Canada.

So, you switched from an encrypted system to one of the others (none of which offer the encrypted services that BB offers), because Blackberry was being asked by other governments to share some, not all, user information with them? The end result in either case is that your communications are not secure, why would you switch from them for that reason?

I have a personal Android, and a BB for work. The BB is just fine for work. I can see why businesses like them; the same reasons consumers don't. They aren't so good for web browsing, games, or movies, at least not the Curve. But it's good for email and calendar. And, the battery lasts far longer, probably because I do all my Farking on my Android.

I would prefer not to give my employees something that's so good for games, etc. They have enough trouble getting shiat done as it stands.

Disclaimer: Enterprise stuff and security are not my problems or expertise, I just use it.

Blackberry outages right before a new iPhone comes out makes me a wee bit suspicious.

It doesn't matter if the BB Enterprise is better than the others at this point. RIM is dying and soon it will be beyond saving, and then all those with BES will be stuck with it and have to do a wholesale switchover. For my 50,000 employee company that still uses BES, that's going to cost a fortune. They should start switching now so that they can do it little by little instead of having to do it all at once.

Hagbardr: Shazam999: BES can go die in a fire.

So you're saying these lemons are combustible?

I've finally found a use for one!