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(National Review) Obvious People who cherish the American value of liberty over the left-wing value of socioeconomic equality, and those who adhere to Judeo-Christian values, do not regard the existence of economic classes as morally problematic   (nationalreview.com) divider line 152
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2011-10-20 09:49:47 AM
FTFA- "Being on the left means that you divide the world between rich and poor much more than you divide it between good and evil. For the leftist, the existence of rich and poor - inequality - is what constitutes evil."

This writer has aligned himself with a belief system based solely on exaggerated stereotype. He shows a gross misunderstanding of that being a modern politically left oriented American is all about. While I'm personally not a liberal, I know many liberals and have spent a great amount of time discussing what their views are and what they would like to see changed in America. What the write says in this article about American liberals is completely wrong and borders on blatant propaganda.
 
2011-10-20 09:54:22 AM
NFA: FTFA- "Being on the left means that you divide the world between rich and poor much more than you divide it between good and evil. For the leftist, the existence of rich and poor - inequality - is what constitutes evil."

This writer has aligned himself with a belief system based solely on exaggerated stereotype. He shows a gross misunderstanding of that being a modern politically left oriented American is all about. While I'm personally not a liberal, I know many liberals and have spent a great amount of time discussing what their views are and what they would like to see changed in America. What the write says in this article about American liberals is completely wrong and borders on blatant propaganda.


Well, duh. It's NRO.
 
2011-10-20 10:01:05 AM
It's how the classes became stratified that introduces the moral component.
 
2011-10-20 10:03:29 AM
Class warfare is a Christian virtue?

Have I mentioned how... zero problem I have with dumping that whole mess forever?
 
2011-10-20 10:04:20 AM
Judeo-Christian values,


Blessed are you, the poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Woe unto you, that are rich, for ye have received your consolation.
 
2011-10-20 10:09:36 AM
Indeed. I too remember Jesus lecturing on the greatness of capitalism. I can't remember though, is that before or after he opened up a can of whoopass on bankers for being greedy whores?
 
2011-10-20 10:13:25 AM
"Republican Jesus" is becoming more of a reality every day.
 
2011-10-20 10:15:24 AM
GAT_00: Indeed. I too remember Jesus lecturing on the greatness of capitalism. I can't remember though, is that before or after he opened up a can of whoopass on bankers for being greedy whores?

I think it was definitely sometime after saying something about rich men and camel needles.
 
2011-10-20 10:15:49 AM
Well I inherited a car from my aunt, a Ford Cortina.
 
2011-10-20 10:24:13 AM
Classes aren't a problem. Class stratification to the extent that distribution of wealth is up to or greater than it was before the Great Depression and attitudes regarding the upper class and lower class is similar to Victorian England at best and Dark Ages feudalism at worse is.
 
2011-10-20 10:28:57 AM
Bloody William: Classes aren't a problem. Class stratification to the extent that distribution of wealth is up to or greater than it was before the Great Depression and attitudes regarding the upper class and lower class is similar to Victorian England at best and Dark Ages feudalism at worse is.

THIS.
 
2011-10-20 10:36:48 AM
Here's what Jesus said about economic classes:

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

-- Matthew 19:21-24.
 
2011-10-20 10:45:36 AM
Money is the root of all evil.. says the poor people

Other peoples Money is the root of all evil.. and I can make that money healthsome and not-evil if you only give it to me.... says the rich religious republican
 
2011-10-20 11:01:27 AM
It's not the classes that are immoral. It's the relentless farking over of the less empowered classes that's the problem.
 
2011-10-20 11:06:36 AM
Marcus Aurelius: It's not the classes that are immoral. It's the relentless farking over of the less empowered classes that's the problem.

No no no no no. It's god's will that they get farked over, so by farking them over as much as possible, the more empowered get more godly. See, money and shiat are a REWARD for being godly, so whatever you do to get them, it's cool.
 
2011-10-20 11:23:07 AM
Majick Thise: Money is the root of all evil.. says the poor people

Not that I'm one to quote the Bible, but you're wrong. The PURSUIT of money is the root of all evil.
 
2011-10-20 11:32:23 AM
Oh, good. I've been waiting for Operation Jewish Shield at NRO to run interference for "Judeo-Christian" (read "Evangelical Protestant") reactionary values based on criticism of secular-socialist Jewish stereotypes of the 1930's. Take a hint, Praeger: The Red Scare is over and the Evangelicals will never accept you as one of their own just because you defend them.
 
2011-10-20 11:36:50 AM
RexTalionis: Here's what Jesus said about economic classes:

Praeger is Jewish, but notice that for all his "Judeo-Christian" rhetoric he NEVER dares actually quote Torah, New Testament, Mishnah or Talmud to support his rhetoric here. Its pure bullshiat. And it completely flies in the face of the dominant idea of the common good as defined in Catholic social thought. Dorothy Day would biatchslap Praeger.
 
2011-10-20 11:38:06 AM
I called home yesterday to say hi to my parents. Talking to my mom, my dad gets on the phone and says:

"Son, I have a serious question for you. This may sound like a joke but its not, I'm really curious. Are you proud to be an American?"

/dad is trending tea party-ish recently
 
2011-10-20 11:52:06 AM
DamnYankees: I called home yesterday to say hi to my parents. Talking to my mom, my dad gets on the phone and says:

"Son, I have a serious question for you. This may sound like a joke but its not, I'm really curious. Are you proud to be an American?"


Is your dad Lee Greenwood?
 
2011-10-20 11:53:28 AM
sigdiamond2000: DamnYankees: I called home yesterday to say hi to my parents. Talking to my mom, my dad gets on the phone and says:

"Son, I have a serious question for you. This may sound like a joke but its not, I'm really curious. Are you proud to be an American?"

Is your dad Lee Greenwood?


Haha - that was my answer! I literally started singing that song. He didn't get the reference.
 
2011-10-20 11:58:45 AM
Sounds like the author confused the Russian communists with the French Revolution.
 
2011-10-20 12:02:17 PM
SurfaceTension: Majick Thise: Money is the root of all evil.. says the poor people

Not that I'm one to quote the Bible, but you're wrong. The PURSUIT of money is the root of all evil.


Says the bible... the poor people say it's just money. Probably because they/we don't have any. For what it's worth I don't think money OR it's pursuit is evil at all. People are the root of all evil. But not all people are evil, most people are decent. Which is good.
 
2011-10-20 12:08:21 PM
Majick Thise: SurfaceTension: Majick Thise: Money is the root of all evil.. says the poor people

Not that I'm one to quote the Bible, but you're wrong. The PURSUIT of money is the root of all evil.

Says the bible... the poor people say it's just money. Probably because they/we don't have any. For what it's worth I don't think money OR it's pursuit is evil at all. People are the root of all evil. But not all people are evil, most people are decent. Which is good.


also, its not "pursuit of money," but rather "love of money [that] is the root of all kinds of evil." 1 Timothy 6:10
 
2011-10-20 12:27:58 PM
jackiepaper: but rather "love of money [that] is the root of all kinds of evil." 1 Timothy 6:10

I love money ergo I must be evil. The bible and I don't agree... OMGWTFBBQ! Not really.. color me ... unconcerned.

2 John Chapter 1 verse 7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The bible also says I am the antichrist...

BOO!
 
2011-10-20 12:29:55 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?


/ do not purchase what you cannot afford
 
2011-10-20 12:38:33 PM
um...1% of the people in this country control more than 40% of it's wealth. that's not 'communism'. that's not 'socialism'. that's fact. Another fact is that if such an imbalance is permitted to continue, eventually it disrupts society on a massive scale. we are not immune to the cycles of history - this has happened before and there is every reason to believe it will happen again.

THAT's what the OWS folks are talking about - the imbalances and system of both government and economics that are tearing our country apart. And the OWS folks are getting beat down for merely asking questions about this mess.
 
2011-10-20 12:38:43 PM
King
Earl/Vassal
Knight
Merchant
Serf


I guess they really didn't want us to break with England.
 
2011-10-20 12:38:44 PM
NFA: FTFA- "Being on the left means that you divide the world between rich and poor much more than you divide it between good and evil. For the leftist, the existence of rich and poor - inequality - is what constitutes evil."

This writer has aligned himself with a belief system based solely on exaggerated stereotype. He shows a gross misunderstanding of that being a modern politically left oriented American is all about. While I'm personally not a liberal, I know many liberals and have spent a great amount of time discussing what their views are and what they would like to see changed in America. What the write says in this article about American liberals is completely wrong and borders on blatant propaganda.


This is far too reasonable and well thought out for Fark. This is a new form of trolling isn't it? Before it was to post the most ridiculous thing you possibly can, the new wave is going to be the most reasonable thing you can possibly say, isn't it?
 
2011-10-20 12:38:44 PM
Bring back the Sale of Indulgences!
 
2011-10-20 12:39:19 PM
Somebody's been harmonizing statistical quirks again.
 
2011-10-20 12:39:32 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


Sweet threadshiat, dude.
 
2011-10-20 12:39:42 PM
That's some pretty obvious emotional blackmail, even for NRO. What thinking American would stand for this?

/...answered my own question.
 
2011-10-20 12:40:34 PM
lennavan: This is far too reasonable and well thought out for Fark. This is a new form of trolling isn't it? Before it was to post the most ridiculous thing you possibly can, the new wave is going to be the most reasonable thing you can possibly say, isn't it?

Reasonableness is destroying America!!!
 
2011-10-20 12:40:41 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


And thus, only the rich should be allowed a higher education. Good to see you owning up to your classism.
 
2011-10-20 12:40:55 PM
I know that Jesus warns me against judgment of others, and I hate to say who is a "real Christian" and who isn't because we can all point fingers at one another. That said, you cannot possibly be a devout adherent of Christianity AND be okay with the economic system that the United States government supports. Hell, every time I buy a video game instead of giving that money to someone less fortunate than me, I fail hard at Christianity. I can't imagine taking home eighty times the pay of my workers who are just scraping to get by.

Remember, Jesus only got violent once, and that was with the money lenders.

The funny thing is that Jesus AND Jefferson (for those not inclined to Christianity) both mistrusted the shady moneylenders, and yet somehow the American right-wing claims both of those guys as their own.
 
2011-10-20 12:40:58 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


Agreed. Fark those morans who seek to rise above their financial station! The world needs ditchdiggers after all, amirite?
 
2011-10-20 12:41:10 PM
Jesus was a communist hippie. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

"Be materialistic and f*ck the poor!" was not his central message.
 
2011-10-20 12:41:12 PM
Jake Havechek: King
Earl/Vassal
Knight
Merchant
Serf


I guess they really didn't want us to break with England.


Let me get my nerd on for a second:

Knight's aren't actually a different class than Nobility (what you call Earls or Vassals). Knight were merely the warrior segment of the Nobility, those who were in the cavalry (though that's a huge oversimplification).
 
2011-10-20 12:41:21 PM
NFA: FTFA- "Being on the left means that you divide the world between rich and poor much more than you divide it between good and evil. For the leftist, the existence of rich and poor - inequality - is what constitutes evil."

This writer has aligned himself with a belief system based solely on exaggerated stereotype. He shows a gross misunderstanding of that being a modern politically left oriented American is all about. While I'm personally not a liberal, I know many liberals and have spent a great amount of time discussing what their views are and what they would like to see changed in America. What the write says in this article about American liberals is completely wrong and borders on blatant propaganda.


No need for fancy explanations why the article is derp. The NRO label is all the explanation you need.
 
2011-10-20 12:41:51 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford



More importantly, we need to reform higher education. Hundreds of thousands of students are sold worthless degrees, through access to federal student loan funding. Student loans are with you until you die (they cannot be discharged in bankrupty), so lenders keep loaning students more money than they'll ever be able to pay back. Furthermore, the cost of education keeps on going up - for reasons that are not clear to me.

We need to fundamentally reform university-level education, and regulate for-profit colleges. We can't just hold out "personal responsibility" as a be-all-end-all, and let unethical lending, recruiting practices, and for profit universities off the hook. We're seeing the cost that is now being borne by society as a whole as a result of these institutions making money on the backs of students.

Before the derpstorm starts, I fully understand and appreciate the need for student loans. But we need to reform the system to either add risk to lenders, or reel in for-profit schools handing out worthless degrees.
 
2011-10-20 12:42:02 PM
Oh, and the scrotebag who "wrote" TFA couldn't even go five words without Godwinning. Five. Words.
 
2011-10-20 12:42:17 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31"Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear?' 32For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
 
2011-10-20 12:42:47 PM
Well, man did create god in his own image after all.
 
2011-10-20 12:42:53 PM
RexTalionis: 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

But hey, at least they have camels.
 
2011-10-20 12:42:55 PM
Majick Thise: jackiepaper: but rather "love of money [that] is the root of all kinds of evil." 1 Timothy 6:10

I love money ergo I must be evil. The bible and I don't agree... OMGWTFBBQ! Not really.. color me ... unconcerned.

2 John Chapter 1 verse 7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The bible also says I am the antichrist...

BOO!


The Power of Christ compels you! *sprinkles holy water* The Power of Christ compels you!

/somebody get me an old priest and a young priest
 
2011-10-20 12:43:23 PM
GAT_00: Indeed. I too remember Jesus lecturing on the greatness of capitalism. I can't remember though, is that before or after he opened up a can of whoopass on bankers for being greedy whores?

It was sometime afterwards. He had a troubled youth. He also preached help for the poor, loving your neighbor and forgiveness in his early days. It wasn't until much later he revealed to us he meant for helping the poor to be voluntary only, it was cool to love your neighbor with bombs and that capitalism is what God truly wants.

Presumably that stuff was in the back of the bible, I never read that far.
 
2011-10-20 12:43:28 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


You know, in some countries higher education is subsidized by the tax payers. Wanting to get a good education without having to go into enormous debt is not such a radical idea.
 
2011-10-20 12:43:36 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x342]

WHAR MY FREE STUDENT LOAN ... WHAR ?

/ do not purchase what you cannot afford


Don't think he said he wants free student loans. $25,000 seems pretty reasonable. It's about what I had 12 years ago and was able to pay off.

Maybe something is different now with the economy. Maybe that's why he's upset?
 
2011-10-20 12:43:58 PM
Along these lines, I cherish the liberty of every wealthy American to shiat all over the society that elevated them to their wealth.
 
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