I want to see their customer list.

Oh that reminds me... Today is trash day so I need to go throw another pile of old vinyl records on the heap...

Too much metal to be audiophile gadgetry. Prolly made for your 3million dollar motorhome.

making the belt a feature?

Well, I guess with a pricetag like that, the prospect is supposed to be just plain ig'nant, huh?

/will stick with my 1210's thx

This is a troll, right? Like that $500.00 (US) wooden volume control knob (not the mechanism, just the knob) that one audiophile store had just to fark with their customers, right?

Ed Grubermann: This is a troll, right? Like that $500.00 (US) wooden volume control knob (not the mechanism, just the knob) that one audiophile store had just to fark with their customers, right?

Hard to say. Audiophile gear often seems like Poe's Law, shaped and formed into high-end consumer goods.

Seriously..I don't get it, all these stupidly ornate 'high end' turntables, and they are ALL bloody belt drive!

There's this one, there was another one in a similar design some 10 years ago..and it too was belt drive,

If you want a good turntable with excellent sound then you can't go wrong with a bog standard 1210, and a set of ortofon carts...

So, you have to use it in a clean room? Those belts look like dust magnets to me. And touching almost any part is going to leave a fingerprint.

Here's one possible scenario. Some moneybags-type fellow gets all this high-end gear, only to lose it in a divorce; and 4 months after the ex-wife gets it, her live-in boyfriend manages to destroy it when he pours cheap whiskey on it during a marathon booze-fest.

Realistically, could see someone *renting* one for analog-to-digital music conversion.

Im not a share the wealth guy by any stretch...

but we need to find the people who can buy this and share their wealth.

150,000 for a car, okay, for a turntable....no. you have too much money.

/hypocrite, apparently.

moel: they are ALL bloody belt drive!

'Audiophiles' claim they can 'hear' a quartz clock 'constricting' their music to it's regularity. And that the 'natural' variation of a belt is more 'open' and 'musical.' Amongst many other goofy assertions that mostly involve introducing distortion to the recording.

I felt so guilty after buying a 40 dollar video game that I donated 20 dollars to Doctors Without Borders. (Now, I just do a monthly donation to stop the first-world guilt). I don't know how these people live with themselves.

They built that turntable for rock and roll.

Need another, plus a microphone.

TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

I don't get the Monster Cable hate. Sure, some of their higher end stuff is a bit rediculous, but if you package them in with other purchases you can get a good deal.

I recently bought a 55" plasma and a home theater in a box at Best Buy. I needed a couple 6 foot HDMI cables, and they gave me a couple Monster Cable ones for half price, $30 each. Where else are you going to get a good quality HDMI cable for less than that? And these are the high bandwidth ones, so they support all the latest standards, unlike some eBay junk.

animal900: TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

I don't get the Monster Cable hate. Sure, some of their higher end stuff is a bit rediculous, but if you package them in with other purchases you can get a good deal.

I recently bought a 55" plasma and a home theater in a box at Best Buy. I needed a couple 6 foot HDMI cables, and they gave me a couple Monster Cable ones for half price, $30 each. Where else are you going to get a good quality HDMI cable for less than that? And these are the high bandwidth ones, so they support all the latest standards, unlike some eBay junk.

You're still getting ripped off. (new window)

SWGlassPit: animal900: TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

I don't get the Monster Cable hate. Sure, some of their higher end stuff is a bit rediculous, but if you package them in with other purchases you can get a good deal.

I recently bought a 55" plasma and a home theater in a box at Best Buy. I needed a couple 6 foot HDMI cables, and they gave me a couple Monster Cable ones for half price, $30 each. Where else are you going to get a good quality HDMI cable for less than that? And these are the high bandwidth ones, so they support all the latest standards, unlike some eBay junk.

You're still getting ripped off. (new window)

Beat me to it. That's the only place I go for cables.

TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

Pshh...amateur:



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FunkyBlue: SWGlassPit: animal900: TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

I don't get the Monster Cable hate. Sure, some of their higher end stuff is a bit rediculous, but if you package them in with other purchases you can get a good deal.

I recently bought a 55" plasma and a home theater in a box at Best Buy. I needed a couple 6 foot HDMI cables, and they gave me a couple Monster Cable ones for half price, $30 each. Where else are you going to get a good quality HDMI cable for less than that? And these are the high bandwidth ones, so they support all the latest standards, unlike some eBay junk.

You're still getting ripped off. (new window)

Beat me to it. That's the only place I go for cables.

True, but if you're getting the TV right away and don't already have the cables, $30 is a less painful corncob to endure than waiting several days staring at an expensive item you can't use because you don't have a cable.

Oh, I almost forgot to ask. Since I don't listen to music on obsolete formats, what's the big problem with a belt drive? Slipping? I would think a higher end device might use slightly better materials for the belt than the JC Penny turntable from the 1978 christmas catalog.

So what''s the drive mechanism of choice, anyhow? Or is this one of those hipster things where if I don't already know the answer, I'm not allowed to find out.

Great_Milenko: FunkyBlue: SWGlassPit: animal900: TsarTom: whar Monster cables?

I don't get the Monster Cable hate. Sure, some of their higher end stuff is a bit rediculous, but if you package them in with other purchases you can get a good deal.

I recently bought a 55" plasma and a home theater in a box at Best Buy. I needed a couple 6 foot HDMI cables, and they gave me a couple Monster Cable ones for half price, $30 each. Where else are you going to get a good quality HDMI cable for less than that? And these are the high bandwidth ones, so they support all the latest standards, unlike some eBay junk.

You're still getting ripped off. (new window)

Beat me to it. That's the only place I go for cables.

True, but if you're getting the TV right away and don't already have the cables, $30 is a less painful corncob to endure than waiting several days staring at an expensive item you can't use because you don't have a cable.


They sell them at Big Lots for about $12.
A six foot HDMI cable really isn't worth more than a few dollars so spending $30 seems pretty ridiculous. I do sometimes spend more money to get something immediately instead of ordering on-line but when they rake you over the coals for 10 times the value of the product I just can't justify the purchase.

Great_Milenko: True, but if you're getting the TV right away and don't already have the cables, $30 is a less painful corncob to endure than waiting several days staring at an expensive item you can't use because you don't have a cable.

Planning and/or patience?

robmilmel: RIP MOTT THE HOOPLE

Rip All the Young Dudes

I sound fat: Im not a share the wealth guy by any stretch...

but we need to find the people who can buy this and share their wealth.

150,000 for a car, okay, for a turntable....no. you have too much money.

/hypocrite, apparently.

I'm sure we could find people who say that, based on YOUR stereo, you have too much money and it should be taken from you.

M-G: Great_Milenko: True, but if you're getting the TV right away and don't already have the cables, $30 is a less painful corncob to endure than waiting several days staring at an expensive item you can't use because you don't have a cable.

Planning and/or patience?

No kidding, I bought HDMI cables 2 months before I finally settled on the TV to get. (And yup, off eBay, 3 cables, something like 20$.)

And unless you plan to use the cables for skipping ropes, I've yet to see someone prove any difference between a 100$ HDMI cable and a 5$ one.

In three years I've unplugged my TV once or twice, because I was cleaning around it and it was easier to get the cable out of the way. Otherwise, it's not gonna move.

jack21221: I felt so guilty after buying a 40 dollar video game that I donated 20 dollars to Doctors Without Borders. (Now, I just do a monthly donation to stop the first-world guilt). I don't know how these people live with themselves.

You have no concept of economics, do you?

animal900: I don't get the Monster Cable hate.

Their products are very poorly made and their business practices are reprehensible. Most of the money you send their way is used to sustain their stable of lawyers.

I'm not an audiophile, but I would buy that as a work of art -- after feeding Africa, of course.

Marconi plays the mamba?

Everyone knows the 'Monster Cables' and other crap sold in the big electronic's stores are crap. We like to think of these really ignorant people DEMANDING the Finest Quality this and that; but that's not who is buying Monster Cables and the other overpriced cables.

It's people who want to buy their big-ass TV today and plug it in when they get home.

A lot of people don't want to order a big-TV off the internet. They want to see it in person. They want to be able to return it to the store if it doesn't work, without dealing with shipping headaches. A big TV is going to be expensive; let's say we're looking at $1,500 dollars. They might shop around at a few stores and compare the prices *of the TV*. They aren't going to compare the prices of every little additional thing they are going to buy.

So they end up at Best Buy because it's $50 cheaper than the other store. And they say to the salesman, 'Okay - I want this TV!' and the guy says, 'Great! And what else do you need?'

And he says, 'I don't know'

And the salesman can explain, 'Well, you're going to need X and Y and Z to plug it in. We sell them right over here. Now to get everything up and running, you'll be looking at another $90, but these are high-quality, you won't find a better picture than what you get from these'.

And the guy says, 'Alright, sure, whatever'

Because he doesn't want to leave the store and go somewhere else. He doesn't want to go home and place an order on the internet. He's already spent all day shopping and he wants to go home, and plug in his awesome TV. So he buys the cables. I've seen USB cables at Best Buy for $20. It's outrageous, but if you want one 'now' you know you can go to Best Buy and you know that you only need something like that once every 5-10 years.

So regular, sane, rational people end up buying these over priced cables, all the time. And it's easier to swallow when the salesman talks about how awesome they are. Are they actually better? No. But they work just as well. And they have them in stock. They can lower their margin on the big ticket item that people shop around for, and hit them hard on the accessories people forget about until they are ready to make the purchase. They could spread it out, so that the margin is the same, but they'd lose sales because people want the best deal on the big item.

Torok:
They sell them at Big Lots for about $12.
A six foot HDMI cable really isn't worth more than a few dollars so spending $30 seems pretty ridiculous. I do sometimes spend more money to get something immediately instead of ordering on-line but when they rake you over the coals for 10 times the value of the product I just can't justify the purchase.

But why would you spend all that money (about $1800 for my setup) just to skimp out on the cabling? For $30 a piece, I know I'm getting the best possible picture quality. Anything else would be like putting budget tires on a sports car.

animal900: Torok:
They sell them at Big Lots for about $12.
A six foot HDMI cable really isn't worth more than a few dollars so spending $30 seems pretty ridiculous. I do sometimes spend more money to get something immediately instead of ordering on-line but when they rake you over the coals for 10 times the value of the product I just can't justify the purchase.

But why would you spend all that money (about $1800 for my setup) just to skimp out on the cabling? For $30 a piece, I know I'm getting the best possible picture quality. Anything else would be like putting budget tires on a sports car.

Because it's digital. It either works, or it doesn't. Granted, a really cheap cable could lose some of the bits, but even the $1 a foot cables you get at the electronics clearance stores work. You're still thinking in an analog world, where interference and noise and attenuation are factors in your final sound quality. In a digital world, your question is: Does it work? Yes or No.

If you're going to spend money, spend it on the analog components, such as speaker cables.

Great_Milenko: Oh, I almost forgot to ask. Since I don't listen to music on obsolete formats, what's the big problem with a belt drive? Slipping? I would think a higher end device might use slightly better materials for the belt than the JC Penny turntable from the 1978 christmas catalog.

So what's the drive mechanism of choice, anyhow? Or is this one of those hipster things where if I don't already know the answer, I'm not allowed to find out.

Direct drive. Belts are for stretching and spanking.

mightybaldking: animal900: Torok:
They sell them at Big Lots for about $12.
A six foot HDMI cable really isn't worth more than a few dollars so spending $30 seems pretty ridiculous. I do sometimes spend more money to get something immediately instead of ordering on-line but when they rake you over the coals for 10 times the value of the product I just can't justify the purchase.

But why would you spend all that money (about $1800 for my setup) just to skimp out on the cabling? For $30 a piece, I know I'm getting the best possible picture quality. Anything else would be like putting budget tires on a sports car.

Because it's digital. It either works, or it doesn't. Granted, a really cheap cable could lose some of the bits, but even the $1 a foot cables you get at the electronics clearance stores work. You're still thinking in an analog world, where interference and noise and attenuation are factors in your final sound quality. In a digital world, your question is: Does it work? Yes or No.

If you're going to spend money, spend it on the analog components, such as speaker cables.

This.

And by "speaker cables", do you mean "wire coat hangers"?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: A fool and his money are soon parted, and there is no greater proof of that than with audiophiles.

Quite true. At one point in my life I used to think it was important, and invested a great deal of time and money for gear. Now I just don't give a fark at all. Do I think LPs have a warmer richer sound than digital/CDs ? Yes, I do. I just don't think it matters anymore. I had some great rigs back in the day. The list of crap I wanted never seemed to end. Once I got a pink noise generator and flattened out the whole room with a parametric equalizer, I realized that as I got older, my hearing wasn't gonna hold up and flat lined music was starting to sound like shiat and I need help on the high end, as we all do. Oh well, I could babble all day about high end audio, or I could just go back to work.:-)

animal900: Torok:
They sell them at Big Lots for about $12.
A six foot HDMI cable really isn't worth more than a few dollars so spending $30 seems pretty ridiculous. I do sometimes spend more money to get something immediately instead of ordering on-line but when they rake you over the coals for 10 times the value of the product I just can't justify the purchase.

But why would you spend all that money (about $1800 for my setup) just to skimp out on the cabling? For $30 a piece, I know I'm getting the best possible picture quality. Anything else would be like putting budget tires on a sports car.

So you think Monster Cable has a special manufacturing process for their HDMI that exceeds the standards of everyone else? Or that maybe, just maybe, they buy their cables from the same manufacturers as everyone else and just sell them to suckers in a pretty box?