+1 Mr Carlson

Oh, the humanity!

HOTY candidate right there.

I'm surprised. The Iraqi gov't isn't throwing a huge fit about this. I'm also surprised that Iran isn't getting involved to try to drive a wedge between the US and Turkey.

Having shopped this for PS contest yesterday, I'm getting an ironic kick out of...

Old and Busted: North Korea and South Korea in a firefight on the DMZ. New and Fresh: Turkey invading Iraq.

As long as the Kurds and the Turks keep killing each other this will happen every once in a while.
/Not sure why the Muslims support the Palestinians while at the same time oppressing the Kurds.

wow... must've been an African Turkey

Some say Seinfeld, some say MASH... I say WKRP.

holy crap.

Time to declare "victory" and go home. (I know that is pretty much what we are doing soon anyways)

SlothB77: that show is from the late seventies/ early eighties? I thought it was a 90's show?

/never saw it as i was born in 1979 and it wasn't syndicated by the time i wanted to see it.

I could find it on HULU

As old and predictable that joke is, I still laugh every time.

/and feel the need to remind folks wild turkeys can fly. Its just the freaks we breed that are too fat to fly.

The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

Venus Flytrap, duh

dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

both... with a spanish butterfly.

dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

Bailey. I'd hit it so hard that whoever pulled me out would be crowned the next King of England.

Always had a weakness for geeky girls.

MyNameIsMofuga: /Not sure why the Muslims support the Palestinians while at the same time oppressing the Kurds.

It's tribal. The Arabs don't like the Kurds don't like the Turks don't like the Arabs. Same reasons the Arabian Peninsula (Arabic) doesn't care for Iran (Persian), despite having a common over-arcing religion.

Cyclometh: dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

Bailey. I'd hit it so hard that whoever pulled me out would be crowned the next King of England.

Always had a weakness for geeky girls.

same here. Jennifer just had "i'm a biatch" written all over her.

Goddammit OBAMA!!!!!

cgraves67: I'm surprised. The Iraqi gov't isn't throwing a huge fit about this. I'm also surprised that Iran isn't getting involved to try to drive a wedge between the US and Turkey.

EVERYONE hates the Kurds.

imfallen_angel: dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

both... with a spanish butterfly.

There's a monkey on my foot!

dustygrimp: Some say Seinfeld, some say MASH... I say WKRP.

I have masking tape on the floor around my desk.

MyNameIsMofuga: Old and Busted: North Korea and South Korea in a firefight on the DMZ. New and Fresh: Turkey invading Iraq.

As long as the Kurds and the Turks keep killing each other this will happen every once in a while.
/Not sure why the Muslims support the Palestinians while at the same time oppressing the Kurds.

I'm sure that the dynamic with the Palestinians involves Israel has most to do with it. If it were Palestinians vs Turks, I'm sure it would be a much, much different situation.

NEDM: cgraves67: I'm surprised. The Iraqi gov't isn't throwing a huge fit about this. I'm also surprised that Iran isn't getting involved to try to drive a wedge between the US and Turkey.

EVERYONE hates the Kurds.

America has always gotten along decently with them.

Where is the FREE KURDISTAN flotilla? fark off Turkey

MyNameIsMofuga: Old and Busted: North Korea and South Korea in a firefight on the DMZ. New and Fresh: Turkey invading Iraq.

As long as the Kurds and the Turks keep killing each other this will happen every once in a while.
/Not sure why the Muslims support the Palestinians while at the same time oppressing the Kurds.

Because: the Kurds are Muslims and it's other Muslims doing it. So it's clearly ethnically and politically motivated, not religious. Which makes it okay, even if you're killing people in job lots.

/Fark Atheist™
//A pox on all their houses.

imfallen_angel: dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

both... with a spanish butterfly.

grrr...

I meant Venus Butterfly...


_/obscure?

alienated: dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

Venus Flytrap, duh

He was great.



"Hi there."

ha-ha-guy: NEDM: cgraves67: I'm surprised. The Iraqi gov't isn't throwing a huge fit about this. I'm also surprised that Iran isn't getting involved to try to drive a wedge between the US and Turkey.

EVERYONE hates the Kurds.

America has always gotten along decently with them.

We don't have the history the rest of the people in the region have with them. Hell, I don't even think the US had official contact with the Kurds until the 20th Century.

NEDM: ha-ha-guy: NEDM: cgraves67: I'm surprised. The Iraqi gov't isn't throwing a huge fit about this. I'm also surprised that Iran isn't getting involved to try to drive a wedge between the US and Turkey.

EVERYONE hates the Kurds.

America has always gotten along decently with them.

We don't have the history the rest of the people in the region have with them. Hell, I don't even think the US had official contact with the Kurds until the 20th Century.

But they are deliciouos, especially the wisconsin white cheddar kurds

NEDM: We don't have the history the rest of the people in the region have with them. Hell, I don't even think the US had official contact with the Kurds until the 20th Century.

You are right, relations started in 1969.

http://aknews.com/en/aknews/1/262227/

"Kurdistan - although not being a state - has shown how non-state actors can play a role in international politics. Merely a card that the U.S. liked to play for various and changing interests in the Gulf Region at first - the Kurds were first supported by the U.S. in 1969 when then-U.S. ally Iran wanted the Kurds to destabilize the Iraq of Saddam Hussein - Kurdistan has almost become an equal partner today. After 2003, when Kurds helped during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, the Kurdish semi-autonomous region has become the stabilizing factor in a country still haunted by daily violence and political instability."

Jake Havechek:
By the way, the Reagan Admin. sold the chemical precursors to Iraq to make those chemicals.

As did the French. And Singapore. And the British.

Do not try to pin the entirety of the shiat that happened in the Iran-Iraq War on the US. That war had the fingers of every great power in the world in it.

dustygrimp: The really important question... Bailey or Jennifer?

Bailey.


and, in case it hasn't been quoted yet...

"The turkeys are hitting the pavement like bags of wet cement!"

What is really farked up about the whole Iraq/Kurd/Iran thing is that after the Iranian Revolution, the US and Islamic Republic of Iran were well into patching up the political relationship and fixing things. Then the students took the US Embassy and the Mullah's miscalculated what the US response would be and praised the students.

That blew the whole thing up, we tried Desert One, Perot was hiring mercenaries to rescue EDS employees and next thing you know Rumseld is shaking hands with Saddam.

If the Embassy thing hadn't gone sideways like it did the US would have overtly backed Iran in the war against Iraq and by 1991 the Collation might have been rolling into Baghdad to overthrow Saddam.

Fark Turkey, those Flotilla-smash-attempting, Kurd-holocausting bastards.

NEDM: Jake Havechek:
By the way, the Reagan Admin. sold the chemical precursors to Iraq to make those chemicals.

As did the French. And Singapore. And the British.

Do not try to pin the entirety of the shiat that happened in the Iran-Iraq War on the US. That war had the fingers of every great power in the world in it.

Bu bu bububububub BUSH!!!!!

Jake Havechek: By the way, the Reagan Admin. sold the chemical precursors to Iraq to make those chemicals.

There you go, with your special interpretation of history again. I particularly like how you omitted who sold them the lab equipment or provided technical expertise to actually make the weapons. But that'd go against the narrative, wouldn't it?

You're clear as to what "precursors" are, right? Basic chlorine, used to purify water systems all over the world, classifies as a "precursor". And banning so-called "dual use" would pretty much relegate much of the world to ingesting fecal-water. So tell us, Jake - what'd we sell them? Specifically - what did we sell them that doesn't have a common industrial use? And who in the Reagan admin sold it to them? Or do you mean US Companies sold it to them in the 1981-89 timeframe?

Instead of just lobbing your partisan bombs behind vague unhelpful but ominous words, try actually concocting a sentence that contributes to the conversation for once.

vaderstg: Jake Havechek: By the way, the Reagan Admin. sold the chemical precursors to Iraq to make those chemicals.

There you go, with your special interpretation of history again. I particularly like how you omitted who sold them the lab equipment or provided technical expertise to actually make the weapons. But that'd go against the narrative, wouldn't it?

You're clear as to what "precursors" are, right? Basic chlorine, used to purify water systems all over the world, classifies as a "precursor". And banning so-called "dual use" would pretty much relegate much of the world to ingesting fecal-water. So tell us, Jake - what'd we sell them? Specifically - what did we sell them that doesn't have a common industrial use? And who in the Reagan admin sold it to them? Or do you mean US Companies sold it to them in the 1981-89 timeframe?

Instead of just lobbing your partisan bombs behind vague unhelpful but ominous words, try actually concocting a sentence that contributes to the conversation for once.

You're kidding right? Or do you assume there's no oversight when a US company sells to someone like Iraq? Here's a brief timeline. Because you know, the US never backs one 3rd-world dictator over another to further its goals. And it certainly never uses corporation, shell corporations, or CIA-funded corporations to do so.

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act.

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians.

December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support.

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops.

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application.

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons.

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax.

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq.

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages.

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas.

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925.

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians.



None of this is secret. It's all well-documented, publicly available information.

MyNameIsMofuga: Old and Busted: North Korea and South Korea in a firefight on the DMZ. New and Fresh: Turkey invading Iraq.

As long as the Kurds and the Turks keep killing each other this will happen every once in a while.
/Not sure why the Muslims support the Palestinians while at the same time oppressing the Kurds.

It is ok for muslims to opress muslims or muslims to opress other religions, but if Jews do anything all bets are off.

Next time, we teach poodles how to fly!