Those extremist delinquents really got his goat

SVP: But Anti-Fascist Action is already on probation!
Dean: They are? Well, as of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!

heypete: As an American expat in Switzerland, the SVP are douchebags.

Here's an example of some of the ads they run in train stations and the like:

So, I'd probably be shiat-kicked if I'm at the wrong place, then?.

/Not that I want an ass-kicking
//But, I'm latino, so there

fritton: How in the world can Switzerlands immigration situation be considered "out of control" by the far right party? It's hard as *hell* to get citizenship there.

Is it kind like how far right Americans think illegal immigration is the hugest problem ever, but realistically it's negative effects are fairly small and mostly outweighed by the positive? ..but apparently we just gotta hate the brown people looking for a better life anyhow.



do you remember the late 90's? when people would leave a job 3 months in for a job that paid 15% better and offered more benefits?
that's a tight labor market.
that's what the corporations do not want above all else.
but keep doing everything you can to dilute the labor market, especially that of the low skilled Americans. the people that can't train for a new job. keep pumping the corporatist bullshiat, you f*cking jackass.

The Nation
NYTimes
Week in Review
Immigrants and the Economics of Hard Work
Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

http://cafehayek.com/2006/04/the_impact_of_i.html (new window)



JOBS LOST AND FOUND At California construction sites like this one, well-paid work that used to go to native-born Americans is going to lower-paid immigrants.

By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: April 2, 2006

LOS ANGELES

IT is asserted both as fact and as argument: the United States needs a constant flow of immigrants to perform jobs Americans will not stoop to do.

But what if those jobs paid $50 an hour, with benefits, instead of $7 or $10 or $15?

"Of course there are jobs that few Americans will take because the wages and working conditions have been so degraded by employers," said Jared Bernstein, of the liberal Economic Policy Institute. "But there is nothing about landscaping, food processing, meat cutting or construction that would preclude someone from doing these jobs on the basis of their nativity. Nothing would keep anyone, immigrant or native born, from doing them if they paid better, if they had health care."

The most comprehensive recent study of immigrant workers comes from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that, unlike Mr. Bernstein's, advocates stricter controls on immigration. The study, by the center's research director, Steven A. Camarota, found that immigrants are a majority of workers in only 4 of 473 job classifications - stucco masons, tailors, produce sorters and beauty salon workers. But even in those four job categories, native-born workers account for more than 40 percent of the work force.

While it might be a challenge to find an American-born cab driver in New York or parking lot attendant in Phoenix or grape cutter in the San Joaquin Valley of California, according to Mr. Camarota's study of census data from 2000-2005, 59 percent of cab drivers in the United States are native born, as are 66 percent of all valet parkers. Half of all workers in agriculture were born in this country.

"The idea that there are jobs that Americans won't do is economic gibberish," Mr. Camarota said. "All the big occupations that immigrants are in - construction, janitorial, even agriculture - are overwhelmingly done by native Americans."

But where they compete for jobs, he said, the immigrants have driven up the jobless rate for some Americans. According to his study, published in March, unemployment among the native born with less than a high school education was 14.3 percent in 2005; the figure for the immigrant population was 7.4 percent.

While Mr. Bernstein would agree that the least-educated American workers are at a disadvantage, he does not favor curbs on immigration. Even the least-skilled Americans benefit from the presence of a large pool of immigrant workers, Mr. Bernstein said. He said that the 11 million illegal immigrants are consumers, too, creating demand for goods and services and the jobs they produce. He also said their willingness to work at low wages helps keep inflation in check, benefiting the nation as a whole. (yes, the old omg, tight labor market will create inflation cry from businesses. thanks for checking inflation, but I'd rather have a job, thanks.)

"It's quite clear that immigrants lead to lower prices of goods and services, and the lower inflation helps boost the economy, and that helps all Americans," Mr. Bernstein said. "You have a significant increase in the labor supply due to immigrant inflows, yet the wage effects seem isolated among the least educated, and they're not huge."

But George J. Borjas, a professor of economics and social policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, said he believed that the flow of migrants had significantly depressed wages for Americans in virtually all job categories and income levels. His study found that the average annual wage loss for all American male workers from 1980 to 2000 was $1,200, or 4 percent, and nearly twice that, in percentage terms, for those without a high school diploma. The impact was also disproportionately high on African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans, Professor Borjas found.

"What this is, is a huge redistribution of wealth away from workers who compete with immigrants to those who employ them," he said.





http://hothardware.com/News/Study-H1B-Visas-Lower-US-Programmer-Pay/

Study: H1B Visas Lower US Programmer Pay
Monday, April 20, 2009 - by Michael Santo
Globalization is wonderful, and does no harm anywhere, that's what we've been told. But a new study, titled "H-1B Visas, Offshoring, and the Wages of US Information Technology Workers" by Prasanna B. Tambe of New York University - Stern School of Business and Lorin M. Hitt of University of Pennsylvania - The Wharton School aims to dispel "the myth that globalization generates no losers," the authors state.

The study's abstract states (emphasis ours):

Our estimates indicate that H-1B admissions at the current levels are associated with a 5-6% drop in wages for computer programmers and systems analysts. Offshoring appears to lower the wages of a slightly broader class of IT workers, including IT managers, by about 3%. These effects are larger for employees exposed to external labor market forces, such as new graduates or job-hoppers.

...

To the best of our knowledge, the analysis in this paper is the first to provide evidence that H-1B employment and offshoring put downward pressure on the wages of US IT workers in some occupations.

The study's authors said they used public data, including data from a leading (but unnamed) careers site.

A draft of the 32-page paper was posted last week on the Social Science Research Network.

oh, you are a small business owner in los angeles. no wonder you are concerned with keeping the borders wide open and third world poor as shiat folks competing with americans and driving down wages. to enrich the melting pot, I'm sure. you had a hard time finding good mexican in LA. I should just go directly to the u.s. chamber of commerce website to get your response.

btw, who does inflation hurt (relatively speaking)? the people who hold the mortgages and the student loans. who does inflation help. the little guy who is in debt.

Poor goats :( Take it out on their owners.

From what I understand of this situation (which isn't much I admit) they have a problem with the Africans not assimilating. For financial or cultural reasons, they're making their own Chinatown-like areas with their old culture in a country that might have been quite mono-cultural earlier.

Cultural preservation is obviously quite important, to the immigrants and the natives. However, I'd say the natives have the right to be paranoid about their little country's older culture being gradually replaced.
America is massive and we're a few hundred years old. We never had a single culture, not even the Indian tribes had the same thing going on. I don't think it's fair to expect all of them to be as open to widespread change as we eventually were (to an extent).