hobblekitty: RexTalionis: As an interesting side note, hobblekitty:

Ever see infomercials on TV touting some weight loss or exercise regimen that you can get for 3 easy payments of $29.99? Remember those before and after photos of fat people and their fit and sexy after photos? Those photos are real. However, it's a trick.

The marketers usually find athletes and other really fit people who were injured or otherwise inactive for some reason (sometimes, the marketers pay them to gain weight). Then, when they get to a certain weight, they take a picture. Then, after the athletes go back into their regular regimen of exercise and diet, they take another picture for the "after" photo showing them to be slim and sexy.

Huh, I knew those pictures had to be a scam somehow but never really considered how. Cool info, thanks!

In many of them, the woman was pregnant or just had a baby in the before pics.

You're only giving hobblekitty the time of day because she is a chick. Otherwise, it would be like 'GO BE FAT SOMEPLACE ELSE, FATSO'.

TwistedIvory: I have long been "called out" for being unsympathetic towards people who don't have the motivation to improve their fitness

But you have also long devoted yourself to being fit.
Proactive is nothing to be called out on.

Being a sloth, however...

Downside of a really thin frame: Even a little bit of fat shows (I'm 6'2" 180 but still have a bit of a spare tire thing going on)

Upside of a really thin frame: Even a little bit of muscle shows (Started lifting seriously about three weeks ago and already seeing a noticeable difference on my biceps and shoulders)

ridiculous concept and its not even close to what "normal" fat people will experience. he is fooling himself if he thinks otherwise.

This should be an interesting, well thought out, and civilized discussion. I'm going to get my popcorn and sit on the couch here and enjoy reading it.

/Subby, you've opened yourself to trolling. Don't blame me.We here at Fark love the "Go be fat somewhere else" picture and don't take kindly to fatties trying to bring some truth into our lives.

hobblekitty: One thing I notice about those pictures is the facial expressions and the skin tone. The person in the before picture never has a smile and their skin is always pale and dull. In the after picture they are smiling, standing up straight and tall and if they are white they now have a tan. That kind of stuff gets in people's heads without them even knowing it.

In the after pictures everyone is not only smiling but (especially but not exclusively for the women) wearing a coating of makeup, where the before pictures usually seem to be "just got out of bed with a hangover" territory.

/yes, I is fat
//no, not as fat as the guy in TFA seems to be making himself

Akbar the Trappiste Monk: You're only giving hobblekitty the time of day because she is a chick. Otherwise, it would be like 'GO BE FAT SOMEPLACE ELSE, FATSO'.

Or, maybe because she's pretty nice and the discussion so far has been free of the stuff of which you speak?

/don't know her from adam, seems nice

"Carbohydrate addiction is caused by an imbalance - an over release of the hormone, insulin, when carbohydrate-rich foods are eaten. Among its many jobs, insulin signals the body to take in food (it has been called the "hunger hormone") and, once the food is consumed, signals the body to store the food energy in the form of fat."

food IS a physical addiction. In simple terms the more sugar you cram the more insulin your body produces to deal with it. Any left over insulin in your system signals your body to cram more sugar to balance out. Anything not used as energy is converted directly to fat. Its a vicious cycle. Its simple really, if youre inactive eat less carbohydrates. Stay away from sugars grains and fruit. Eat veggies and meats. It will suck at first like withdrawing off any physical addiction but your body will regulate.

Did they figure "muscle memory" into this equation?

Props to the guy but it's not the same

Gothnet: hobblekitty: One thing I notice about those pictures is the facial expressions and the skin tone. The person in the before picture never has a smile and their skin is always pale and dull. In the after picture they are smiling, standing up straight and tall and if they are white they now have a tan. That kind of stuff gets in people's heads without them even knowing it.

In the after pictures everyone is not only smiling but (especially but not exclusively for the women) wearing a coating of makeup, where the before pictures usually seem to be "just got out of bed with a hangover" territory.

/yes, I is fat
//no, not as fat as the guy in TFA seems to be making himself

Look at the clothing differences, too. Before chick: sweatpants and baggy shirt. After chick: strutting around the pool at a resort in a bikini, 40 pounds of hair and wearing heels

/not that I am opposed to chicks strutting around pools wearing bikinis, 40 pounds of hair and heels
//going back to the asian chick thread

RexTalionis: Then, after the athletes go back into their regular regimen of exercise and diet, they take another picture for the "after" photo showing them to be slim and sexy.

Yup. The funny thing is that you can see they usually have bulk and muscle in the "before" pics.

161/113?

i've eaten unhealthy food for 25 years(my whole life) and i'm at a steady 120/80. is this guy poisoning himself or something?

TheOriginalEd: "Carbohydrate addiction is caused by an imbalance - an over release of the hormone, insulin, when carbohydrate-rich foods are eaten. Among its many jobs, insulin signals the body to take in food (it has been called the "hunger hormone") and, once the food is consumed, signals the body to store the food energy in the form of fat."

food IS a physical addiction. In simple terms the more sugar you cram the more insulin your body produces to deal with it. Any left over insulin in your system signals your body to cram more sugar to balance out. Anything not used as energy is converted directly to fat. Its a vicious cycle. Its simple really, if youre inactive eat less carbohydrates. Stay away from sugars grains and fruit. Eat veggies and meats. It will suck at first like withdrawing off any physical addiction but your body will regulate.

Yes, the concept is simple but the acting on that concept is incredibly hard.

I thought Morgan Spurlock already covered this?

Diet and exercise, it's not rocket surgery. A lot of people who complain about the difficulty of loosing weight have never ACTUALLY done these things. Instead they look for fad diets that allow them to eat whatever they want as long as they avoid other things.

Also, fat free does not mean that it isn't loaded with calories.

I can tell you this frome experience. I went from 6-5 194 to 6-5 254 in exactly one year. Although my frame held the weight decently I knew I had gotten fat. I have always been in good shape and it took me years to get back down to 200lbs. I still fluctuate between 200 and 210 but getting rid of that much weight is a motherfarker!

/True Story Bro

vudukungfu: But you have also long devoted yourself to being fit.
Proactive is nothing to be called out on.

Being a sloth, however...

I think of being being obese the same way I think of people who have a well paying job but never have any money: sometimes circumstances are playing a big role but more often it's simply easier to give in to the instant gratification of buying/eating and it's hard to break those kinds of habits.

nburghmatt: 161/113?

i've eaten unhealthy food for 25 years(my whole life) and i'm at a steady 120/80. is this guy poisoning himself or something?


This man is clearly weak, and without his excessive fitness regime would die if he tried to live half the life that us superior men live.


:-D

JanusofZeal: Also, put down the fork fatty. Yes, it's largely a mental thing to do it. The mental make up changes when you decide to stop being a fatty. The physical make up changes when you start working out. The genes don't change, but meh I'm the son of 2 fatties. See slashies.

Commit to a calorie cap and follow it. Take 1-2 cheat days a week so you don't go crazy.

/this is what I'm trying anyway
//2500 calories

Another trick I've heard of is to take the "after" pic of a fit person who then gains a bunch of weight before taking the "before" pic.

rfeick0: Another trick I've heard of is to take the "after" pic of a fit person who then gains a bunch of weight before taking the "before" pic.

Or take an athlete who has had a broken leg or some other issue that they can't work out every day. Then take the picture again after they get back in shape.

/what this guy is doing is not new - a PT in England did it a few years ago

hobblekitty: I was touched by the idea that someone who is superfit wanted to try to understand what it is like to be obese and not just sit back in judgement of overweight people, as so many do.

That's what I got out of TFA as well. I think it's very kind of him to want to REALLY see what it's like (ignoring that it's only 6 months and not 10 years and all the bad habits and choices that involves). At first blush it seems kind of silly, but I really do appreciate someone actually stopping and going "Wait. Maybe it's not as easy as I think. Let me try it first."

Currently in a "biggest loser" competition. Folks are going nuts about their weird diets and so on. I'm drinking a Coke and figuring out if I'm good to get back on my treadmill after a two day recovery break. So this article is pretty timely. :)

http://fit2fat2fit.com/

Ben Stiller?

If you want to lose weight, research HCG. Get the real stuff, not those bullshiat drops.
Use the system under the care of a physician and you'll have unbelievable weight loss.

Nice article. As someone who's always been exercising and losing weight... and putting back on weight... and losing weight... and putting on muscle... and putting on weight... and losing muscle... and putting back on muscle -- I appreciate the empathy of the always-fit.

Currently at 5'10, 210 -- good muscle but pumpkin beer and the Chipotle kill me.

/nom

Voiceofreason01: I think of being being obese the same way I think of people who have a well paying job but never have any money:

Well, now. That's interesting.
I see someone that is obese and think of how many starving people they could have fed if they had shared the claories with the have-nots.

downstairs: RexTalionis: The marketers usually find athletes and other really fit people who were injured or otherwise inactive for some reason (sometimes, the marketers pay them to gain weight). Then, when they get to a certain weight, they take a picture. Then, after the athletes go back into their regular regimen of exercise and diet, they take another picture for the "after" photo showing them to be slim and sexy

Wow, I never thought of that.

I found out about that sort of thing on Bullshiat! by Penn and Teller. For example, ALWAYS be wary when they use female models. You know what blows up female weight? Pregnancy! And while it's usually pretty obviously different from actual weight gain, I swear to Stan that I have actually seen a commercial for X product that showed a "fat" woman with a faint happy trail... Which is one of the known changes during pregnancy for some women.

TwistedIvory: hobblekitty: Huh, I knew those pictures had to be a scam somehow but never really considered how. Cool info, thanks!

They're also hugely manipulated with lighting and post-production. You'd be astonished at how much lighting, posture and color (e.g. tan) influences the photos.



Clothing also makes a big difference not only are certain types of clothing slimming, but we as society place different values on level of dress. In many of the before photos the person is in sloppy/casual clothes and in the after pics their clothes are much nicer.

I just hope it works out better for this guy than for Jim Jupiter; Peggy really did a number on that poor bastard!

Speaking as a moderate fatass who's in the process of losing weight, I have to give him some credit for trying to actually walk the walk. Staying in shape is far easier than losing weight, since so damn much of it is habit. You get used to eating certain foods at certain times, and when you don't your body lets you know.
I had a bad habit of eating a big late night snack. That was the first thing to go, but now I find myself craving salt pretty much all night long. I've gotten to the point where I don't like to be downstairs since I keep seeing the kitchen. I have to force myself not to walk into it.

For other fatsos, I've found the one thing that works is that I record everything. I have a big spreadsheet with the distances I swim every day, and I've got a fancy scale that measures weight, body fat and a couple of other variables that all go into another. Anytime I start really getting antsy I mentally pull up the spreadsheets and think about them.

No Jim Jupiter?

Gothnet: nburghmatt: 161/113?

i've eaten unhealthy food for 25 years(my whole life) and i'm at a steady 120/80. is this guy poisoning himself or something?


This man is clearly weak, and without his excessive fitness regime would die if he tried to live half the life that us superior men live.


:-D

there must be something wrong with the motherfarker. that ain't normal.

Was it this guy?

hobblekitty: Subby here: [...] When an obese person says "it is hard for me to stop eating and it feels almost like an addiction" people refuse to believe that could possibly be the case, instead it's always "put down the fork fatty". [...]

I've gone from 235lbs to 160lbs before, in just under a year, in order to qualify for a corrective surgery that was more important to me than the general depression that keeps me wanting fast food. It wasn't especially hard, either. While I'm not one of those lucky bastards who can eat anything and stay rail thin, my metabolism isn't so slow as to gain me a kilo just smelling the KFC on my way past the gym in twenty-six minutes. Walking four kms a day (and/or doing it twice when I have time to) will lose me ten+ pounds a month. I can even have fast food once a week and do this.

Since then, I've gradually rebounded to 255. The problem isn't that I don't know how to lose weight. I know more about my unique dietary needs (due to the surgery) than the dieticians to which I was referred did.

The problem is that I'm prone to depression due to a long-term still-undiagnosed chronic pain condition. If my pain control isn't effective in the long term, I eventually get depressed. And the surest sign that depression is getting ahead of me (again) is becoming on a first name basis with every fast food joint in town. I just can't drag up the will to prepare good food, let alone feel comfortable enough to walk.

I need help. But I need the right kind of help.

Kudos to the PT guy for trying to walk in my shoes for a while. He won't have (obesity is often a thinking problem, not an eating problem, and he won't experience that thinking problem through his experiment), but he is trying (and boy is he).

hobblekitty: Well yes and no. Morgan Spurlock was specifically testing to see what would happen to the human body if it lived on a diet of McDonalds for a month. This trainer is trying to see what it is like to be an obese person and then have to lose weight. The concept is similar but Spurlock was never a weight trainer nor was he specifically looking to become fat, he was specifically going after the fast food industry.

Well no. Morgan Spurlock was specifically testing to see what would happen if you ate the very worse food items possible from a McDonalds menu every day of the month. And he completely stopped exercising. It was hardly scientific and was done to push a point that most people are stupid when it comes to food and exercising (and his own personal agenda).

/not disagreeing with the fact that most people are stupid when it comes to food or exercising
//but the way he did was completely idiotic

In the beginning, I did not like soda, but now I can't go a day without, otherwise I'll get the headaches, bad mood, etc.

As a former soda "addict" I can vouch for this. That shiat is really terrible for us. Can't lie though, still needs me a cold can of sodey now and then, but it's more a treat situation than my standard beverage.