volfan: When did this guy become Hulk Hogan?

It's folksie. B*tches love folksie.

DamnYankees: "We have a serious issue with magnets in this country" and "Obama's aunt and uncle are illegals" have to be the winners.

Romney on immigration:

"I don't care if the guy trimming my hedges doesn't have papers, but I don't want this to end up looking bad if it gets out."

/paraphrase

RICK SANTORUM, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR

Says Perry; but I poop from there

Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".

Anyone suprised that Rick Santorum basically defended Romney? (Although I think he was trying to not defend him, it came out as a defense?)

"You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."

Herman, I love you, brother, but let me tell you something, you don't need to have a big analysis to figure this thing out... I'll bump plans with you, brother...

I'm not alone in thinking that's a euphemism, right?

HERMAN CAIN, FORMER GODFATHER'S PIZZA CEO

Defending his tax plan

"The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

Translation: Reading and math are HARD!

I'm glad their only plans are either regression, or a total immediate alteration of the entire government as we know it.

skilbride: Anyone suprised that Rick Santorum basically defended Romney? (Although I think he was trying to not defend him, it came out as a defense?)

"You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."

I suspect Santorum knows he's toast as far as the POTUS nomination race goes, and is getting a head start on angling for the VP nod.

Hmm, already posted this in another thread, but what the hell-th,


Brother Perry: "And the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height-th of hypocrisy"

It's "height", not "height-th".
God dammit Rick Perry, this is America, and in America we speak English!

/pet peeve-th

I think it's hilarious that Rick Santorum is the only candidate who didn't have a "honeymoon" period; Newt, Bachmann, hell, even RON PAUL, they've all had moments as the GOP promising "It" candidate... all but Li'l Frothy Rick. I almost feel bad for him... then I do a quick Google and laugh my ass off.

21-37-42: Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".

Well calling him "boy" lacks plausible deniability. As there's no doubt it was intended as condescending.

Top quotes from Tuesday's debate, for those who couldn't stand the pain of watching the whole thing any of it

/fixed

It was really strange that almost EVERYONE on that panel uttered , "Well, Mitt is right on that one... or I have to agree with Mitt... or Mitt and I agree..." and continue on and elaborate on the correct idea.

It's like they all were told to prop him up or something.
The worst thing you could do in a debate is acknowledge that your foe is always correct.

Mitt did something a little different, subtle. He'd say " So and so are right on those points, but...

Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

NO. Just that. The tax code is not an enormously complicated mass of legal speak because the lizard people invaded the Government or because politicians get off on making things difficult. The tax code is like that because of you. Every time someone innovates a way around a tax rule, a new rule making that against the code is required. Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand. The legalese is part of the solution to such innovation - it makes catching a circumvention and prosecuting it easier. If you don't understand the tangle of parties of the first, second and third parts embodied in the rule in that section, then you will have a harder time getting around it. And when you are brought up on circumventing it and the tax audit points to Section 14.A.2.(b).(ii), you have little argument other than that you didn't know any better. That can work if the lack of knowledge is honest, but it can backfire if you "ought" to have known (usually determined before a tax court).

A simple code sounds super awesome, but it can't be. So you will pay 9% on income earned. Cool, I'll just get my business to "pay" me in non-demand loans that it later writes off. No income, no tax. The point is that simple rules are simple to get around - complex ones are difficult to get around.

apoptotic: "You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."

Yeah, no one ever monkeyed with the market before.

No US government ever bailed out a failed market sector before 2008, when Obama nationalized the banks.

No government ever passed nationally-applicable legislation affecting the families of every American (except the Amish) with wide-ranging and unforeseen consequences we're still digging out of before,

It's like the GOP expect us to not think of anything other than the last 6 words we hear.

The chutzpah it takes to dissemble and misconstrue the truth like that makes The Big Lie look like the Washington cherry-tree fable.

Azmodan Kijur: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

NO. Just that. The tax code is not an enormously complicated mass of legal speak because the lizard people invaded the Government or because politicians get off on making things difficult. The tax code is like that because of you. Every time someone innovates a way around a tax rule, a new rule making that against the code is required. Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand. The legalese is part of the solution to such innovation - it makes catching a circumvention and prosecuting it easier. If you don't understand the tangle of parties of the first, second and third parts embodied in the rule in that section, then you will have a harder time getting around it. And when you are brought up on circumventing it and the tax audit points to Section 14.A.2.(b).(ii), you have little argument other than that you didn't know any better. That can work if the lack of knowledge is honest, but it can backfire if you "ought" to have known (usually determined before a tax court).

A simple code sounds super awesome, but it can't be. So you will pay 9% on income earned. Cool, I'll just get my business to "pay" me in non-demand loans that it later writes off. No income, no tax. The point is that simple rules are simple to get around - complex ones are difficult to get around.

Cain thinks the tax code for the largest economy in the world should be a shorter document then the policy manual for a Godfather's pizza franchise.

Azmodan Kijur: The tax code is like that because of you.

Look at it this way: equitably dividing the financial support of our governmental and public systems across the public is a difficult and complex problem. It's even less that there's a problem with people getting around the system (a complex system is actually more vulnerable to exploits since it's more poorly understood and less obvious), and more the factor that we're trying to achieve a very complex goal, weighed with complex value systems and a diverse public.

The last two or three debates, I've prepared for a drinking game. Made up a few rules, some drinks, sat down on the couch... and turned the damn thing off within ten minutes because I was angry and sad.

The liberal Mormon from the East Coast is being positioned for victory.

No need to pander to the "base." What are they going to do, vote for a socialist illegal alien?

LockeOak: The last two or three debates, I've prepared for a drinking game.

That's a good way to get alcohol poisoning.

Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

Azmodan Kijur: Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand.

He's running again?

Pinner: It was really strange that almost EVERYONE on that panel uttered , "Well, Mitt is right on that one... or I have to agree with Mitt... or Mitt and I agree..." and continue on and elaborate on the correct idea.

Since Romney was a close second to McCain last time, he's basically a shoe-in for the top of the ticket. Unless someone else on that stage can pull a billion dollars and a few million voters out of thier ass, everyone else is really competing for VP.

So yeah, they have to suck up to him a bit.

Jake Havechek: 21-37-42: Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".

He didn't call him Coltrane, though.

ROFL. Maybe he's saving that for the next debate

Perry: The problem with Coltrane's 9-9-9 plan is that it'll raise taxes on the middle class

Cain: Did you just call me Coltrane

Perry: No

Cain: You didn't?

Perry: No

Cain: Ok

Boxcutta: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

What if you use a really, really small font?

Philip Francis Queeg: HERMAN CAIN, FORMER GODFATHER'S PIZZA CEO

Defending his tax plan

"The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

Having a complicated tax code that requires thousands of CPAs and lawyers to interpret and manage is a JOB CREATOR!

what_now: How's that feel?

Feeling is for New York queers.

Supes: Boxcutta: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

What if you use a really, really small font?

Or you could use really, really big pieces of paper.