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2011-10-19 10:29:18 AM
RICK PERRY, TEXAS GOVERNOR
On Cain's tax plan

"Herman, I love you, brother, but let me tell you something, you don't need to have a big analysis to figure this thing out... I'll bump plans with you, brother, and we'll see who has the best idea about how you get this country working again."


When did this guy become Hulk Hogan?
 
2011-10-19 10:31:16 AM
volfan: When did this guy become Hulk Hogan?

It's folksie. B*tches love folksie.
 
2011-10-19 10:31:39 AM
"We have a serious issue with magnets in this country" and "Obama's aunt and uncle are illegals" have to be the winners.
 
2011-10-19 10:35:00 AM
RON PAUL, TEXAS REPRESENTATIVE

On Cain's 999 tax plan

"It is a regressive tax. So it's very, very dangerous. And it will raise more revenues. But the gentleman asked the question... what are you going to replace the income tax with? And I say nothing. That's what we should replace it with."



Oh Ron, that's why we keep you around.
 
2011-10-19 10:36:04 AM
MITT ROMNEY, FORMER MASSACHUSETTS

On Herman Cain's 999 tax plan

"I like your chutzpah on this, Herman, but I have to tell you, the analysis I did, person by person, return by return, is that middle-income people see higher taxes under your plan. If it's lower for the middle class, that's great. But that's not what I saw."

ROMNEY 2012: LET'S DO YOUR TAXES TOGETHER.
 
2011-10-19 10:42:18 AM
DamnYankees: "We have a serious issue with magnets in this country" and "Obama's aunt and uncle are illegals" have to be the winners.

knowyourmeme.com
 
2011-10-19 10:42:38 AM
Romney on immigration:

"I don't care if the guy trimming my hedges doesn't have papers, but I don't want this to end up looking bad if it gets out."

/paraphrase
 
2011-10-19 10:43:38 AM
RICK SANTORUM, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR

Says Perry; but I poop from there
 
2011-10-19 10:45:25 AM
Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".
 
2011-10-19 10:46:14 AM
Anyone suprised that Rick Santorum basically defended Romney? (Although I think he was trying to not defend him, it came out as a defense?)

"You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."
 
2011-10-19 10:47:26 AM
Herman, I love you, brother, but let me tell you something, you don't need to have a big analysis to figure this thing out... I'll bump plans with you, brother...

I'm not alone in thinking that's a euphemism, right?
 
2011-10-19 10:47:54 AM
HERMAN CAIN, FORMER GODFATHER'S PIZZA CEO

Defending his tax plan

"The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."


Translation: Reading and math are HARD!
 
2011-10-19 10:48:27 AM
My honest opinion on the GOP heavy hitters:

There is the faintest glimmer of reason and rational thinking (they are simply not as dumb as we libs caricaturise them to be), but then they remember they are all trying to appeal to a stupidly radical, radically stupid voter base. Then the derp starts. We don't cower to the kid in class who continually acts out to compensate for his lack intellectual ability. We scold him and try and try to focus him on what is important. Why are the GOP candidates seeking so much approval from the Tea Partiers? Even if these are a surprisingly Right leaning bunch, they are simply not as stupid as the people they are pandering to.
 
2011-10-19 10:48:45 AM
I'm glad their only plans are either regression, or a total immediate alteration of the entire government as we know it.
 
2011-10-19 10:50:12 AM
skilbride: Anyone suprised that Rick Santorum basically defended Romney? (Although I think he was trying to not defend him, it came out as a defense?)

"You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."


I suspect Santorum knows he's toast as far as the POTUS nomination race goes, and is getting a head start on angling for the VP nod.
 
Bf+
2011-10-19 10:50:37 AM
Hmm, already posted this in another thread, but what the hell-th,


Brother Perry: "And the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height-th of hypocrisy"

It's "height", not "height-th".
God dammit Rick Perry, this is America, and in America we speak English!

/pet peeve-th
 
2011-10-19 10:51:01 AM
I think it's hilarious that Rick Santorum is the only candidate who didn't have a "honeymoon" period; Newt, Bachmann, hell, even RON PAUL, they've all had moments as the GOP promising "It" candidate... all but Li'l Frothy Rick. I almost feel bad for him... then I do a quick Google and laugh my ass off.
 
2011-10-19 10:51:49 AM
21-37-42: Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".


Well calling him "boy" lacks plausible deniability. As there's no doubt it was intended as condescending.
 
2011-10-19 10:51:56 AM
Top quotes from Tuesday's debate, for those who couldn't stand the pain of watching the whole thing any of it

/fixed
 
2011-10-19 10:52:15 AM
It was really strange that almost EVERYONE on that panel uttered , "Well, Mitt is right on that one... or I have to agree with Mitt... or Mitt and I agree..." and continue on and elaborate on the correct idea.

It's like they all were told to prop him up or something.
The worst thing you could do in a debate is acknowledge that your foe is always correct.

Mitt did something a little different, subtle. He'd say " So and so are right on those points, but...
 
2011-10-19 10:52:22 AM
Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

NO. Just that. The tax code is not an enormously complicated mass of legal speak because the lizard people invaded the Government or because politicians get off on making things difficult. The tax code is like that because of you. Every time someone innovates a way around a tax rule, a new rule making that against the code is required. Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand. The legalese is part of the solution to such innovation - it makes catching a circumvention and prosecuting it easier. If you don't understand the tangle of parties of the first, second and third parts embodied in the rule in that section, then you will have a harder time getting around it. And when you are brought up on circumventing it and the tax audit points to Section 14.A.2.(b).(ii), you have little argument other than that you didn't know any better. That can work if the lack of knowledge is honest, but it can backfire if you "ought" to have known (usually determined before a tax court).

A simple code sounds super awesome, but it can't be. So you will pay 9% on income earned. Cool, I'll just get my business to "pay" me in non-demand loans that it later writes off. No income, no tax. The point is that simple rules are simple to get around - complex ones are difficult to get around.
 
2011-10-19 10:56:02 AM
Ron Paul says something reasonable: Crickets (or boos?)

Ron Paul says something reasonable again: Crickets

Ron Paul says something batshiat crazy: CHEERS


That pretty much sums up the "debate" for me.


Oh, AND the "end foreign aid" question. Cheers all around. "Yeah! fark them Foreigners!!!"

"Would you end aid for Israel?"


LMAO
 
2011-10-19 10:56:41 AM
apoptotic: "You supported it. Governor Romney and Herman Cain all supported the TARP program... You guys complain about Governor Romney flip-flopping. I mean, look at what's going on here. I mean, the -- the bottom line is, you all supported it, you all started this ball rolling, where the government injected itself in trying to fix the market."

Yeah, no one ever monkeyed with the market before.

No US government ever bailed out a failed market sector before 2008, when Obama nationalized the banks.

No government ever passed nationally-applicable legislation affecting the families of every American (except the Amish) with wide-ranging and unforeseen consequences we're still digging out of before,

It's like the GOP expect us to not think of anything other than the last 6 words we hear.

The chutzpah it takes to dissemble and misconstrue the truth like that makes The Big Lie look like the Washington cherry-tree fable.
 
2011-10-19 10:57:22 AM
Azmodan Kijur: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

NO. Just that. The tax code is not an enormously complicated mass of legal speak because the lizard people invaded the Government or because politicians get off on making things difficult. The tax code is like that because of you. Every time someone innovates a way around a tax rule, a new rule making that against the code is required. Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand. The legalese is part of the solution to such innovation - it makes catching a circumvention and prosecuting it easier. If you don't understand the tangle of parties of the first, second and third parts embodied in the rule in that section, then you will have a harder time getting around it. And when you are brought up on circumventing it and the tax audit points to Section 14.A.2.(b).(ii), you have little argument other than that you didn't know any better. That can work if the lack of knowledge is honest, but it can backfire if you "ought" to have known (usually determined before a tax court).

A simple code sounds super awesome, but it can't be. So you will pay 9% on income earned. Cool, I'll just get my business to "pay" me in non-demand loans that it later writes off. No income, no tax. The point is that simple rules are simple to get around - complex ones are difficult to get around.


Cain thinks the tax code for the largest economy in the world should be a shorter document then the policy manual for a Godfather's pizza franchise.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:03 AM
victrin: My honest opinion on the GOP heavy hitters:

There is the faintest glimmer of reason and rational thinking (they are simply not as dumb as we libs caricaturise them to be), but then they remember they are all trying to appeal to a stupidly radical, radically stupid voter base. Then the derp starts. We don't cower to the kid in class who continually acts out to compensate for his lack intellectual ability. We scold him and try and try to focus him on what is important. Why are the GOP candidates seeking so much approval from the Tea Partiers? Even if these are a surprisingly Right leaning bunch, they are simply not as stupid as the people they are pandering to.


This much is obvious. Romney's no dope. Gingrich isn't either. They know how to pull the strings. That doesn't make them less evil.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:09 AM
Dan the Schman: I think it's hilarious that Rick Santorum is the only candidate who didn't have a "honeymoon" period; Newt, Bachmann, hell, even RON PAUL, they've all had moments as the GOP promising "It" candidate... all but Li'l Frothy Rick. I almost feel bad for him... then I do a quick Google and laugh my ass off.

I often wonder if Tim Pawlenty is getting blind drunk and beating his head on a table when he watches these debates.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:45 AM
Azmodan Kijur: The tax code is like that because of you.

Look at it this way: equitably dividing the financial support of our governmental and public systems across the public is a difficult and complex problem. It's even less that there's a problem with people getting around the system (a complex system is actually more vulnerable to exploits since it's more poorly understood and less obvious), and more the factor that we're trying to achieve a very complex goal, weighed with complex value systems and a diverse public.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:46 AM
21-37-42: Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".


He didn't call him Coltrane, though.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:46 AM
The last two or three debates, I've prepared for a drinking game. Made up a few rules, some drinks, sat down on the couch... and turned the damn thing off within ten minutes because I was angry and sad.
 
2011-10-19 10:58:51 AM
The liberal Mormon from the East Coast is being positioned for victory.

No need to pander to the "base." What are they going to do, vote for a socialist illegal alien?
 
2011-10-19 10:59:48 AM
Wait...Where is Libya again?
 
2011-10-19 10:59:53 AM
Few observations:
1. Perry got pwn3d by Romney and showed he does not have what it takes to make it on the national level.

2. I felt bad for Romney actually having to defend helping poor sick people and was pathetic that he did.

3. Nobody really cared about what Michelle Bachman said but all she did was parrot rehashed talking points since she is being called out if she pulls something from her ass now.

4. Newt was a male Bachman who made a little more sense but nobody cared about what he said like with Bachman.

5. While I disagree with his policies I can see why he is popular with the GOP crowd. He is consistant with his talking points and when an inconsistancy pops up he confronts it, even admiting he was wrong. The others except for Ron Paul will skate around their inconsistancies when called out on them.

5. Ron Paul is the only true blue core principals conservative in the field.
 
2011-10-19 11:00:08 AM
Looked like it was another episode of "Out Retard the Retard" up there last night...
 
2011-10-19 11:00:13 AM
LockeOak: The last two or three debates, I've prepared for a drinking game.

That's a good way to get alcohol poisoning.
 
2011-10-19 11:00:30 AM
Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
 
2011-10-19 11:00:58 AM
Philip Francis Queeg: Cain thinks the tax code for the largest economy in the world should be a shorter document then the policy manual for a Godfather's pizza franchise.

That's because pizza isn't the problem, government is.

Or something.
 
2011-10-19 11:01:19 AM
Azmodan Kijur: Believe me when I say that it all very quickly gets out of hand.

He's running again?

images.blu-ray.com
 
2011-10-19 11:01:34 AM
Pinner: It was really strange that almost EVERYONE on that panel uttered , "Well, Mitt is right on that one... or I have to agree with Mitt... or Mitt and I agree..." and continue on and elaborate on the correct idea.

Since Romney was a close second to McCain last time, he's basically a shoe-in for the top of the ticket. Unless someone else on that stage can pull a billion dollars and a few million voters out of thier ass, everyone else is really competing for VP.

So yeah, they have to suck up to him a bit.
 
2011-10-19 11:03:17 AM
LasersHurt: I'm glad their only plans are either regression, or a total immediate alteration of the entire government as we know it.

Tweeking the current one really hasn't work out for the majority.
 
2011-10-19 11:04:05 AM
Here's the thing GOP:

you spent 30 years dumbing down the education of this country and running on soundbites. You've spent 30 years telling people that government can't do anything right and that "ordinary people" are better than politicians.

And now you have a black guy with an idiotic plan polling ahead of all of you because he knows absolutely nothing about politics and came up with a catchy plan.

How's that feel?
 
2011-10-19 11:08:16 AM
Jake Havechek: 21-37-42: Perry calling Cain "brother". Repeatedly.

Who knew Perry spoke "jive".

He didn't call him Coltrane, though.


ROFL. Maybe he's saving that for the next debate

Perry: The problem with Coltrane's 9-9-9 plan is that it'll raise taxes on the middle class

Cain: Did you just call me Coltrane

Perry: No

Cain: You didn't?

Perry: No

Cain: Ok
 
2011-10-19 11:08:23 AM
Boxcutta: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!


What if you use a really, really small font?
 
2011-10-19 11:08:51 AM
Philip Francis Queeg: HERMAN CAIN, FORMER GODFATHER'S PIZZA CEO

Defending his tax plan

"The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."


Having a complicated tax code that requires thousands of CPAs and lawyers to interpret and manage is a JOB CREATOR!
 
2011-10-19 11:11:10 AM
heavymetal: 5. Ron Paul is the only true blue core principals conservative in the field.

And the crowd (except for his few supporters there) hated him for it.
 
2011-10-19 11:11:13 AM
reason.com
 
2011-10-19 11:12:24 AM
what_now: How's that feel?

Feeling is for New York queers.
 
2011-10-19 11:12:44 AM
Perry: Are you trying to steal my nomination?

Cain: I beg your pardon.

Perry: You heard me, Coltrane.
 
2011-10-19 11:12:50 AM
Supes: Boxcutta: Herman Cain: "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair. They want to continue to manipulate people with a 10-million-word mess."

YOU CAN'T FIT 10-MILLION WORDS ON THREE PAGES OR LESS.
YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

What if you use a really, really small font?


Or you could use really, really big pieces of paper.
 
2011-10-19 11:12:53 AM
victrin: My honest opinion on the GOP heavy hitters:

There is the faintest glimmer of reason and rational thinking (they are simply not as dumb as we libs caricaturise them to be), but then they remember they are all trying to appeal to a stupidly radical, radically stupid voter base. Then the derp starts. We don't cower to the kid in class who continually acts out to compensate for his lack intellectual ability. We scold him and try and try to focus him on what is important. Why are the GOP candidates seeking so much approval from the Tea Partiers? Even if these are a surprisingly Right leaning bunch, they are simply not as stupid as the people they are pandering to.


Because their core economic policy of "supply side economics" has been a dismal failure in creating jobs or growing the economy, yet a windfall for the mega-wealthy. If they courted a base of intellectuals they wouldn't stand a chance and they know it because they are not dumb just like you say.
 
2011-10-19 11:13:17 AM
11 of these still to go.

What's the over/under on Perry challenging Romney to a fight?
 
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