It's always a good idea to tell 16.7% of America that the reason they are unemployed or underemployed is because they are lazy. That'll win you votes.

In before the usual hatemongering conservatives arrive to either deflect or declare the stance heroic - because you know they'll do both.

The overt hostility that the Republican base has for any American citizen who isn't wealthy is really tragic.

Big Herm = Big Worm

GOP = Mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, white-trash, redneck morans.

My favorite awkward moment of that debate was when Ron Paul pointed out that Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

Philip Francis Queeg: The overt hostility that the Republican base has for any American citizen who isn't wealthy is really tragicpar for the course.

sprawl15: My favorite awkward moment of that debate was when Ron Paul pointed out that Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

Well, that or when Anderson said to Santorum, "People think you're irrelevant," and Santorum responded that everyone on the stage was irrelevant.

sprawl15: My favorite awkward moment of that debate was when Ron Paul pointed out that Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

Did he dare sully the name of Saint Ronald of Reagan? I know who's not being invited to the next debate.

WTF Indeed: It's always a good idea to tell 16.7% of America that the reason they are unemployed or underemployed is because they are lazy. That'll win you votes.

If it's true then it shouldn't much matter. Voter turnout is pretty pathetic in general and it's a safe bet the lazy don't bother.

So, its my fault when I send out fifty applications to fifty high school level min wage entry jobs, get two interviews and don't get picked up for either.

It's my fault that there are so few people hiring that the competition to get a job is steep, making getting a job nearly impossible.

I can't imagine what it's like being an unemployed teabagger right now.

A few months ago you were like a rock star at the meetings. The Usurper in Chief done took yer job and now you can't get a new one because of the socialisms. Everyone would nod their heads and pat you on the back. It's not your fault buddy. You want to work but there just aren't any jobs.

Now you trot that line out and everyone is booing you. It's your own damn fault, fool. GET A JOB

Herman Cain sounds like Jeffrey Lebowski.

You know, there are companies out there creating jobs.

Check out Ford, recently announcing it will be creating 7000 new jobs in the next 2 years in Detroit.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/01/10/ford-adding-7000-new-jobs/

I know you guys are all about regulation, regulation, bail out, bail out, MOAR GOVERNMENT but look at little old Ford. It didn't need bail out money from the government and there it is creating jobs. And if the government had allowed the other two to fail, they'd be able to take the best and the brightest from them, and another car company (perhaps a clean energy alternative?) would have risen up to take it's place.

BOOOO LARGE GOVERNMENT. BOOOOO.

So . . . can we have a real third party now?

I sincerely wish death upon these evil bastards.

No YOU'RE a Towel: At this point, as a Canadian, I can say that I would actually almost like to see a Republican in the White House, just because you people really deserve it. And the implosion would be epic.

But then that is kind of mean.

Look, I like you and I like Canada, so don't take this the wrong way. If we implode, we're taking you with us. I say this with sadness. :(

Stick a fork in America. She's done.

Rashnu: WTF Indeed: It's always a good idea to tell 16.7% of America that the reason they are unemployed or underemployed is because they are lazy. That'll win you votes.

If it's true then it shouldn't much matter. Voter turnout is pretty pathetic in general and it's a safe bet the lazy don't bother.

QFT

skilbride: You know, there are companies out there creating jobs.

Check out Ford, recently announcing it will be creating 7000 new jobs in the next 2 years in Detroit.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/01/10/ford-adding-7000-new-jobs/

I know you guys are all about regulation, regulation, bail out, bail out, MOAR GOVERNMENT but look at little old Ford. It didn't need bail out money from the government and there it is creating jobs. And if the government had allowed the other two to fail, they'd be able to take the best and the brightest from them, and another car company (perhaps a clean energy alternative?) would have risen up to take it's place.

BOOOO LARGE GOVERNMENT. BOOOOO.

You realize that Ford was very clear at the time that if GM and Chrysler failed, they would fail too, since the entire supply system they depend on would collapse, don't you?

I'd go to Washington as well as Wall Street, but I'd go over to the Federal Reserve. They create the financial bubbles.

No, Ron, the boom and bust cycle is directly linked to the deregulation of the investment firms and banks which existed before the Great Crash and which began again in the 1980s. Is this ignorance because libertarians don't know history or because they choose to ignore it?

The unemployed should have never lobbied Congress to deregulate Wall St. and the banks. They should admit they were wrong and then go find a job that isn't available.

Boxcutta: I'd go to Washington as well as Wall Street, but I'd go over to the Federal Reserve. They create the financial bubbles.

No, Ron, the boom and bust cycle is directly linked to the deregulation of the investment firms and banks which existed before the Great Crash and which began again in the 1980s. Is this ignorance because libertarians don't know history or because they choose to ignore it?

Yes.

skilbride: You know, there are companies out there creating jobs.

Check out Ford, recently announcing it will be creating 7000 new jobs in the next 2 years in Detroit.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/01/10/ford-adding-7000-new-jobs/

I know you guys are all about regulation, regulation, bail out, bail out, MOAR GOVERNMENT but look at little old Ford. It didn't need bail out money from the government and there it is creating jobs. And if the government had allowed the other two to fail, they'd be able to take the best and the brightest from them, and another car company (perhaps a clean energy alternative?) would have risen up to take it's place.

BOOOO LARGE GOVERNMENT. BOOOOO.

Yep. Ford is totally bootstrappy and would never take any government incentive (new window) to expand it's business.

Let me guess: You probably believe Reagan was a fiscal conservative to, right?

No YOU'RE a Towel: At this point, as a Canadian, I can say that I would actually almost like to see a Republican in the White House, just because you people really deserve it. And the implosion would be epic.

But then that is kind of mean.

Yeah it's all fun and games until President Chucklefark decides that the quickest way to stimulate the economy and decrease the US' dependence on foreign oil would be to invade Alberta.

I find American politics fascinating/entertaining too, but in all seriousness, if the US collapses, we go with it. Not only are we tied to them economically, but we have a Prime Minister who secretly wishes he could be a Republican. While Americans are debating how to get break free from the 2 party system, get the money out of politics and bring in public campaign financing, one of the first things Harper did when he got his majority was pass a bill to phase out public financing here. And I bet 99% of Canadians didn't even notice. It's the first step to making our campaign finance system more like the US's. I won't be surprised if he changes the rules to allow corporate donations before the next election.

If someone is out of work (when they previously were employed), and it's their fault, they can't get UI.

Anyone who gets UI is, by definition, "unemployed through no fault of their own."

Do we have stats on how many of the actually un- (or under-)employed folks collect UI and how many do not?

Also, this line of logic is retarded.

You know what, though? I'm willing to meet you business-humping farkwits halfway. you claim that CEOs, not aggregate demand, create jobs?

Fine. Cut every CEO's pay $50k/year to hire one employee - every CEO making $5M year or more, we're asking for a 1% tax to go DIRECTLY to job creation with your company. No dice?

Then fark you. You don't care about job creation, you care about letting people's greed unbalance and sicken the economy. 400 people in this country control more wealth than half of us - and they're rich enough that even if your kids and grandkids never do business with them, their grandkids will drink from gold-plated bottles and have 6 full-nannies to change them.

What we're asking for is some pain on the upper end of the scale. We've been feeling kicked in the crotch every hour of every day for years; it's time you felt a pinprick once a week.

Which business is going to go out on a limb to hire people and kick the demand cycle off?

Rapmaster2000: sprawl15: My favorite awkward moment of that debate was when Ron Paul pointed out that Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

Did he dare sully the name of Saint Ronald of Reagan? I know who's not being invited to the next debate.

Yeah, it all started when Anderson brought up a Cain discussion where he said he could understand Israel doing a prisoner trade with Palestine, and everyone started beating the NO NEGOTIATION WITH TERRORISTS drum. Paul jumped in and pointed that out and the entire room went silent until people started babbling excuses. Farking hilarious.

No YOU'RE a Towel: At this point, as a Canadian, I can say that I would actually almost like to see a Republican in the White House, just because you people really deserve it. And the implosion would be epic.

But then that is kind of mean.

Please. As an American, let me live with you. Help me out. Even though half of my family is Quebecois, I promise to be nice.