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2011-10-18 02:48:26 PM
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2011-10-18 02:54:03 PM
If you see a 4-year-old who DOESN'T act like they have ADHD, they aren't normal.
 
2011-10-18 03:44:54 PM
As a therapist, all I have to say is... SQUIRREL!!
 
2011-10-18 03:47:19 PM
WAT?
 
2011-10-18 03:47:53 PM
LAST ONE IN IS A PENIS PUMP!
 
2011-10-18 03:49:20 PM
Normally I would say this is pretty farked, but then I think about my nephew.


/not a single one of you would make it 24 hours with him without caving and giving him the medicine. Most would do it in the first hour.
 
2011-10-18 03:49:21 PM
Wanna start selling those pharmaceuticals even earlier? Open up the market a little more with stuff like this.
 
2011-10-18 03:50:57 PM
They want every kid to be on amphetamines but I can't get a prescription for them. Where is the justice?
 
2011-10-18 03:51:00 PM
I'm going to a meeting with my kid's teacher and 3 other random folks from the school tomorrow, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

Hopefully it's something easy like vitamin deficiency. :\
 
2011-10-18 03:51:03 PM
Buck Russell:I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!


Buck Russell: Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.
 
2011-10-18 03:51:55 PM
megalynn44: Normally I would say this is pretty farked, but then I think about my nephew.


/not a single one of you would make it 24 hours with him without caving and giving him the medicine. Most would do it in the first hour.


hahaha, you should meet my 6 y/o.
/not medicating a 6 y/o, kids are kids
 
2011-10-18 03:52:08 PM
Diagnosing? Yes, sure.
Behavioral Treatments? Yes, great idea.
Medicine? Hells no.

// Have it, diagnosed as an adult, tried the meds but stopped because, well, I hated them
// My 5 year old daughter has it. I don't anticipate giving her meds until she can make her own decisions (16ish?), but we are darn sure going after it behaviorally...
 
2011-10-18 03:52:54 PM
Jake Havechek: Buck Russell:I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!


Buck Russell: Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.


ya that's about how I feel about ADHD drugs and kids too
 
2011-10-18 03:53:05 PM
Dammit kids! Be more normal! Like the one I read about on the internet who sold his own company for millions of dollar at the age of 9! That's the kind of kid I want! No, I don't have time to read to right now, son, I'm complaining about how much of a disappointment you are on the internet!
 
2011-10-18 03:53:35 PM
Fark, a four-year-old who wants to run around, be active, and use their muscles? Can't have that! Let's medicate 'em!

Surely this won't cause the "average" to shift downwards, requiring increasing numbers of kids to be medicated to seem "normal." Nor will it slow the development of musculature, promote sedentary behavior, and increase childhood obesity.

/excessively cynical
//hopefully
 
2011-10-18 03:53:42 PM
My sister and I had to take an entrance test to get into a private school when we were younger (her -6, me - 4). I was cleaning out boxes and found the results a few months back. They thought I was smart enough, but they thought it odd my older sister was able to concentrate better than I was. Apparently I offered to play blocks with the teachers and show them how to build an "awesome bridge."

Maybe the kindness did them in. We both got accepted.
 
2011-10-18 03:56:43 PM
We talking diagnosis from an actual professional or one of those "I watched a show and that looks like my kid" diagnosis you hear from stupid parents?

I know a chic with 3 kids she's diagnosed as having every abbreviation known to man, yet not one of them as seen a professional.

/drtfa, obviously
 
2011-10-18 03:57:05 PM
redmid17: Maybe the kindness did them in. We both got accepted.

Well, sure, who doesn't want to build an awesome bridge?
 
2011-10-18 03:57:19 PM
Some kids definitely need some medication. However, i think lazy teachers and inept parents are too quick to scream ADHD. If the kid is making straight As in class, it may be the teacher and not ADHD. Maybe he or she is bored. Other young 'uns need some sort of medication to concentrate on school work and to make correct decisions. Just to be so quick to go with the medication.

lazy dam teachers
 
2011-10-18 03:57:33 PM
If you've every been around a child who really is hyperactive, you will never consider the high energy of normal kids as being hyper. And the hyperactive kids don't just act hyper; they usually act totally batshiat bonkers.

The average kid I see these days follows their mom through the grocery store like a little baby duck, not twirling in circles shrieking "I'm a pirate unicorn! I'm going to eat your eyebrows! I want this jar of pickles! MOOOOOOOO!!!! WOOOOFFFF!!!" and then starts rolling on the floor insisting they are a caterpillar made out of cheese.
 
2011-10-18 03:59:15 PM
theorellior: LAST ONE IN IS A PENIS PUMP!

BODY MASSAGE!
 
2011-10-18 03:59:18 PM
redmid17: Apparently I offered to play blocks with the teachers and show them how to build an "awesome bridge."

Maybe the kindness did them in. We both got accepted.


I dunno, seems good to me for a 4 year old.

I got into GATE by doing logic problems in grade 6. My response was "Seriously? This is what you're thinking is 'smart'?"
 
Skr
2011-10-18 04:00:06 PM
Oh! A Bird! ☞ ☁☀ ~~~~~~~~ ✈ ☁☁
 
2011-10-18 04:01:53 PM
Der Poopflinger: megalynn44: Normally I would say this is pretty farked, but then I think about my nephew.


/not a single one of you would make it 24 hours with him without caving and giving him the medicine. Most would do it in the first hour.

hahaha, you should meet my 6 y/o.
/not medicating a 6 y/o, kids are kids


Yeah that's easy to say. I don't plan to medicate my kids, and have plenty of experience dealing with kids. But he is balls out uncontrollable without it. As in, he set records with every behavioralist he's seen. I guess it doesn't matter what I say though. You've got your judgement set.

Another nephew of mine takes 1/4 of the medicine of the first. Yes, he could get by without it, but his parents say he is done with his homeschool work in a third of the time it used to take, so he gets that one pill a day, then after schoolwork, he gets to be hyper and crazy and active. The difference is, he's still controllable and a lot of fun to be around.
 
2011-10-18 04:02:12 PM
my girlfriends son is 6 and has ADHD. Last week escaped from school for about..oh a SQUIRELL!!...an hour and a half. he truly is a handful and we decided to change his meds to addreall 20mg. which is alot considering with my adult ADD i take addreall 30mg. shes tried alot of different things but remains very stressed......ILL BUILD THE RAMP!!!.
 
2011-10-18 04:02:50 PM
FunkOut: If you've every been around a child who really is hyperactive, you will never consider the high energy of normal kids as being hyper. And the hyperactive kids don't just act hyper; they usually act totally batshiat bonkers.

The average kid I see these days follows their mom through the grocery store like a little baby duck, not twirling in circles shrieking "I'm a pirate unicorn! I'm going to eat your eyebrows! I want this jar of pickles! MOOOOOOOO!!!! WOOOOFFFF!!!" and then starts rolling on the floor insisting they are a caterpillar made out of cheese.


That's not hyper, that's poor parenting.

// squirting lighter fluid, gets zippo ready
 
2011-10-18 04:03:22 PM
This is bullshiat. If you want to hold the attention of ADHD kids, ask them what works for them.

/Glad my teachers thought enough to ask that question.
//From personal experience, Ritalin is a farking terrible drug.
 
2011-10-18 04:03:39 PM
Okay Farkers here me out on this issue I would love to know what you think of this...
We were called into school when my son was in first grade. His teacher a nurse and the principal were there. We were told that our son would not be allowed back into school until we had him checked for ADD/ADHD. My son is VERY intelligent and at the time we lived in of all places Florida. When we got to the Dr he was almost immediatley diagnosed as ADHD. I have worked with Scouts and Little League and can tell you all young kids are hyper as shiat but anyway we have this diagnosis and in order to get him back into school they want to see it. So we put him on the lowest dose ADHD med at the time and send him on his way. Now keep in mind that he doesnt take it during the summer and we dont seem to have any rpoblems outside of typical boy things like burning ants with a magnifying glass. Anyway fast forward 10 years and now he is so psychologically dpendant on the damn pills that even in HS he will cal if he forgets to take his pill in the morning and try to get myself or my wife to bring it to him. Long story short if you have good insurance and a kid that isnt a farking zombie he is ADHD. AS aparent I feel guilty as hell for not knowing better at the time and not fighting the school and Dr more. Take my advice if your child is diagnosed ADHD get 2nd 3rd and 4th opinions because its overdiagnosed Bullshiat!

/Yes truly feels guilty
 
2011-10-18 04:04:22 PM
megalynn44: Der Poopflinger: megalynn44: Normally I would say this is pretty farked, but then I think about my nephew.


/not a single one of you would make it 24 hours with him without caving and giving him the medicine. Most would do it in the first hour.

hahaha, you should meet my 6 y/o.
/not medicating a 6 y/o, kids are kids

Yeah that's easy to say. I don't plan to medicate my kids, and have plenty of experience dealing with kids. But he is balls out uncontrollable without it. As in, he set records with every behavioralist he's seen. I guess it doesn't matter what I say though. You've got your judgement set.

Another nephew of mine takes 1/4 of the medicine of the first. Yes, he could get by without it, but his parents say he is done with his homeschool work in a third of the time it used to take, so he gets that one pill a day, then after schoolwork, he gets to be hyper and crazy and active. The difference is, he's still controllable and a lot of fun to be around.


With my brother we did about the same thing. Medicate during the school year just enough so people didn't want to kill him. During the summer he was off everything but the anti seziure meds and had a blast. It was hard keeping up with a brother that was awake and ready to go at 4 am and would crash at midnight, but my mom did it.
 
2011-10-18 04:04:57 PM
That kid that couldn't figure out how to operate a newspaper (link) is probably going to need some meds pretty soon.
 
2011-10-18 04:05:01 PM
LET'S GO RIDE A SHINY KITTY
 
2011-10-18 04:05:25 PM
If your kid ACTUALLY has ADHD, yes, it can show up that young. My first husband (who is/was also my babydaddy) was diagnosed at age 3. That was in 1978. Our younger kid showed the signs so strongly that by age 7, when he finally did get a diagnosis and begin medication, I'd been reported to DSS by the school for neglect because he was so difficult to control. (He'd been showing symptoms since about age 4 and thinking back, I can see signs clear back into infancy, but I was QUITE SURE that I could just GoodParenttm the problem away, and it flat-out didn't work.)

It didn't show as strongly in the older, but he's got it like I do - active mind, so he's quiet and daydreamy instead of bouncing off the walls. They actually thought he was autistic at first. He does have a learning disability but he also has ADHD, and the two together make him show outward signs of autism. We got very lucky that we have a confirmed diagnosis - and a second opinion - of "not autistic dammit".

When I was assessed (broadly assessed, not just "look for ADHD"), my mother gave a bunch of life history input, and sure enough, not only was I showing definite signs as early as 6, but my dad has all the same symptoms I do. She commented afterward, "I told your dad 'Whatever Banana has, you have it too!'"

So that's .., age 6 for me, age 3 for Babydaddy, age 3 for the firstborn if we go back to the initial autism assessment, and age 4 for the younger one. I'd me more inclined to say that if you DON'T see it by age 7 or so, it's probably not ADHD.

/i am the 1%
//of people who actually have the real condition and not the fake AW one
 
2011-10-18 04:05:30 PM
FunkOut: The average kid I see these days follows their mom through the grocery store like a little baby duck, not twirling in circles shrieking "I'm a pirate unicorn! I'm going to eat your eyebrows! I want this jar of pickles! MOOOOOOOO!!!! WOOOOFFFF!!!" and then starts rolling on the floor insisting they are a caterpillar made out of cheese.

I sure knew kids like that when growing up, but they just went more bonkers when given stimulants, so I wouldn't say they were ADHD. I don't know if they were ever officially tested.

The one friend I know of who takes Ritalin isn't like that at all. Without it, he needs to be multitasking a few other things to make it through a TV show or a half-hour of video gaming without getting distracted, but he was never really zany at all.

These are just anecdotes, of course, but in my experience, zaniness isn't necessarily linked with ADHD.
 
2011-10-18 04:05:47 PM
My father, my mother, my sister, my husband, and my daughter all qualify as ADHD in varying degrees. My husband takes medication for it. I'm like a Vulcan. No wonder they think there's something wrong with me. Everyone in my family is a spazz.
 
2011-10-18 04:08:02 PM
FunkOut: My father, my mother, my sister, my husband, and my daughter all qualify as ADHD in varying degrees. My husband takes medication for it. I'm like a Vulcan. No wonder they think there's something wrong with me. Everyone in my family is a spazz.

I feel that way about my mother's family. All English-Italian. To them, I'm like... Not quite human.

/It's call self-control ya crazy broads!
 
2011-10-18 04:08:12 PM
Jake Havechek: Buck Russell: Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.

Melanoma-head's comin'.
 
2011-10-18 04:08:19 PM
This is why there is an Adderall shortage. Had to go to 4 different pharmacies before I could find one that could fill my prescription. They need to severely restrict who can diagnose this illness. That means no pediatricians and require a psychologist and psychiatrist before a diagnosis can be made.
 
2011-10-18 04:08:31 PM
Sapper_Topo: Okay Farkers here me out on this issue I would love to know what you think of this...
We were called into school when my son was in first grade. His teacher a nurse and the principal were there. We were told that our son would not be allowed back into school until we had him checked for ADD/ADHD. My son is VERY intelligent and at the time we lived in of all places Florida. When we got to the Dr he was almost immediatley diagnosed as ADHD. I have worked with Scouts and Little League and can tell you all young kids are hyper as shiat but anyway we have this diagnosis and in order to get him back into school they want to see it. So we put him on the lowest dose ADHD med at the time and send him on his way. Now keep in mind that he doesnt take it during the summer and we dont seem to have any rpoblems outside of typical boy things like burning ants with a magnifying glass. Anyway fast forward 10 years and now he is so psychologically dpendant on the damn pills that even in HS he will cal if he forgets to take his pill in the morning and try to get myself or my wife to bring it to him. Long story short if you have good insurance and a kid that isnt a farking zombie he is ADHD. AS aparent I feel guilty as hell for not knowing better at the time and not fighting the school and Dr more. Take my advice if your child is diagnosed ADHD get 2nd 3rd and 4th opinions because its overdiagnosed Bullshiat!

/Yes truly feels guilty


You got suckered. An ADHD diagnoses needs 6 months observation, the school and doctor suck. Also it is a known side affect that ADHD drugs retard emotional maturity. If your kid could not concentrate they will never develop that skill as an adult and will always be drug dependent. Congratulations you raised a junkie.
 
2011-10-18 04:09:00 PM
Aidan: FunkOut: My father, my mother, my sister, my husband, and my daughter all qualify as ADHD in varying degrees. My husband takes medication for it. I'm like a Vulcan. No wonder they think there's something wrong with me. Everyone in my family is a spazz.

I feel that way about my mother's family. All English-Italian. To them, I'm like... Not quite human.

/It's call self-control ya crazy broads!


Another Vulcan! Welcome, I knew there were more of us here.
 
2011-10-18 04:09:24 PM
I took speed in school and they never made me do it.

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2011-10-18 04:10:10 PM
Milk
Eggs
bread
Banannas
ice cream
Katchup
Bottle Water
24 pack beer
 
2011-10-18 04:10:40 PM
LET'S!!
go get Cokes

Anything else will make me choke.
 
2011-10-18 04:12:27 PM
We used to correctly identify the condition as being a brat, and cure it with a good smack upside the head.
 
2011-10-18 04:12:50 PM
Not sure if ADHD really exists. Isn't having alot of energy and excitement as a child normal?
 
2011-10-18 04:12:51 PM
Sapper_Topo: ...outside of typical boy things like burning ants with a magnifying glass.

slow down there.

Since when is needlessly torturing small creatures a "typical boy thing." I didn't, none of my friends did, and I only remember one kid doing it from my childhood. I remember me and my friends being quite turned off by it. The kid was a weirdo. Sounds like you have a budding little serial killer there. Pretty much all of them start with torturing animals.
 
2011-10-18 04:13:09 PM
KyngNothing: FunkOut: If you've every been around a child who really is hyperactive, you will never consider the high energy of normal kids as being hyper. And the hyperactive kids don't just act hyper; they usually act totally batshiat bonkers.

The average kid I see these days follows their mom through the grocery store like a little baby duck, not twirling in circles shrieking "I'm a pirate unicorn! I'm going to eat your eyebrows! I want this jar of pickles! MOOOOOOOO!!!! WOOOOFFFF!!!" and then starts rolling on the floor insisting they are a caterpillar made out of cheese.

That's not hyper, that's poor parenting.

// squirting lighter fluid, gets zippo ready


Plenty of parents who are doing everything right that would work with normal kids but won't work with kids whose brains seem to be short circuiting. It seems to be pretty difficult for many people to accept that some things that go wrong with the body go wrong with the brain or the biochemistry and it affects behaviour.

My grandmother thought she could discipline her one son's behaviour problems out of him; beating a child with a belt won't repair the brain damage caused by lack of oxygen at birth or the emotional damage of being molested by a neighbour. Timeouts and removing privileges won't cure schizophrenia. Tough love doesn't treat depression or psychosis.
 
2011-10-18 04:13:12 PM
jehovahs witness protection: If you see a 4-year-old who DOESN'T act like they have ADHD, they aren't normal.

My parents told me that when I was that age, I was able to entertain myself for hours staring into the distance. I turned out normal enough.
 
2011-10-18 04:13:16 PM
Who has time to read that article?
 
2011-10-18 04:13:25 PM
There's also a school of thought on the psychology of adults today who were kids in the 60s and 70s and who were put on Ritalin as a cure-all.
 
2011-10-18 04:16:26 PM
chestylaruegal: Another Vulcan! Welcome, I knew there were more of us here.

*vulcan sign*
 
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