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(Think Progress) Ironic Despite denouncing the president's policies, Herman Cain was stimulated by Obama. Not that there's anything wrong with that   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 77
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unlikely [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 01:47:43 PM
Not news. Typical republican M.O. for the whole stimulus thing.

See Rick Perry for a lot more examples of this.
 
kingoomieiii [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:13:03 PM
Obama spanking Cain's ass with a leather paddle, yelling "NEIN, NEIN, NEIN"
 
God-is-a-Taco [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:15:08 PM
thinkprogress.org
I CAME
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:15:56 PM
Luckily for Cain, one of his corporations did not appear to receive any tainted stimulus money. According to his disclosure, Cain received $120,000 for his role on the board of Hallmark Cards Inc, the holiday greeting card company. A search by ThinkProgress reveals zero stimulus dollars directed to Hallmark.

He should thank them somehow. If only there were a way...
 
HighOnCraic
2011-10-18 02:16:59 PM
mahuika: Luckily for Cain, one of his corporations did not appear to receive any tainted stimulus money. According to his disclosure, Cain received $120,000 for his role on the board of Hallmark Cards Inc, the holiday greeting card company. A search by ThinkProgress reveals zero stimulus dollars directed to Hallmark.

He should thank them somehow. If only there were a way...

I lol'd. Luckily, the library is fairly empty.
 
Corvus
2011-10-18 02:17:28 PM
I guess it's a "PLANTATION" for everyone else but Cain.

It's amazing how only Republicans do well with government handouts but everyone else it makes them dependent on government.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-10-18 02:18:12 PM
Rule 34?
 
Needlessly Complicated
2011-10-18 02:19:04 PM
I personally found those pictures of Obama at the beach pretty stimulating.


....what?
 
Splinshints
2011-10-18 02:20:02 PM
Standard right-wing response: "Look, I hate the pie, I wish nobody had baked the pie. But if it is there, I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to dip my fingers right into it and I'm going to lick the juicy, delicious goo inside from my trembling digits. It's not that I'm a bad person, it's not that I'm saying that it's okay to eat pie. It's just that if the pie is there, I'm going to take my share of it. That's all."
 
sprawl15
2011-10-18 02:20:20 PM
img266.imageshack.us

/shamelessly stolen
 
strapp3r
2011-10-18 02:21:31 PM
cue 'Herb' Cain nomming on corn-dog pic
 
sprawl15
2011-10-18 02:23:14 PM
Splinshints: Standard right-wing response: "Look, I hate the pie, I wish nobody had baked the pie. But if it is there, I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to dip my fingers right into it and I'm going to lick the juicy, delicious goo inside from my trembling digits. It's not that I'm a bad person, it's not that I'm saying that it's okay to eat pie. It's just that if the pie is there, I'm going to take my share of it. That's all."

If you replace 'pie' with 'asshole', it's still a standard right-wing response.
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:23:55 PM
Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.
 
violetvolume
2011-10-18 02:24:11 PM
Snerk.
 
hawcian
2011-10-18 02:24:33 PM
sprawl15: [img266.imageshack.us image 275x142]

/shamelessly stolen

Wait, couldn't you use an regular pokeball? I thought the chance was just really, really low.

/wow, that brings back memories
 
stevie1der
2011-10-18 02:24:50 PM
what a hypothetical, future debate between Herman Cain and Barack Obama may look like:

Link (new window)
 
HotWingConspiracy
2011-10-18 02:25:36 PM
No worry, the talking point is that the people that took stimulus/bailouts are actually victims of the federal government.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-10-18 02:26:35 PM
hawcian: sprawl15: [img266.imageshack.us image 275x142]

/shamelessly stolen

Wait, couldn't you use an regular pokeball? I thought the chance was just really, really low.

/wow, that brings back memories

Nope. It's just possible to catch Mewtwo with an Ultra Ball but you'll need to get his life to almost zero and hit him with status effects, and even then the chance is close to zero. Best to just save the Master Ball.

/NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD
 
Terlis
2011-10-18 02:30:05 PM
stevie1der: what a hypothetical, future debate between Herman Cain and Barack Obama may look like:


I would say that would be more Rick Perry than Herman Cain, but really...that could be any of the GOP candidates currently...
 
stevie1der
2011-10-18 02:31:31 PM
hawcian: sprawl15: [img266.imageshack.us image 275x142]

/shamelessly stolen

Wait, couldn't you use an regular pokeball? I thought the chance was just really, really low.

/wow, that brings back memories

My white whale was always Kangaskan. No matter what I did in the safari zone, that damn thing could not be caught.
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:31:53 PM
stevie1der: what a hypothetical, future debate between Herman Cain and Barack Obama may look like:

Link (new window)

Actually, I think Obama would be suffering from the same thing Biden did in the Veep debate, namely that his opponent would be so misinformed and out of their element that he would have to tone it down in order to not come across as an abrasive asshole.
 
Corvus
2011-10-18 02:33:11 PM
mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

but he didn't say that. He said it was a complete failure and would not create one job. Obviously if he took the money then he doesn't actually believe that or he wants the US to fail taking money that would not even help his company.

You are pretending his position is something that it is not. He didn't say he was just against the stimulus he said it was a complete failure and would not help anyone or create any jobs. Obviously that is not true.
 
PonceAlyosha
2011-10-18 02:34:12 PM
stevie1der: hawcian: sprawl15: [img266.imageshack.us image 275x142]

/shamelessly stolen

Wait, couldn't you use an regular pokeball? I thought the chance was just really, really low.

/wow, that brings back memories

My white whale was always Kangaskan. No matter what I did in the safari zone, that damn thing could not be caught.

What about Dratinis? They were always a pain in the ass. But personally I'm like physically incapable of catching Murkrows. They just won't stay in the goddamn ball.
 
Corvus
2011-10-18 02:34:53 PM
Splinshints: Standard right-wing response: "Look, I hate the pie, I wish nobody had baked the pie. But if it is there, I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to dip my fingers right into it and I'm going to lick the juicy, delicious goo inside from my trembling digits. It's not that I'm a bad person, it's not that I'm saying that it's okay to eat pie. It's just that if the pie is there, I'm going to take my share of it. That's all."

No he said "This pie is a pie full of shiat. No one will eat this pie and it's horrible and will make everyone sick. Oh someone made the pie? I want a huge slice!!"

that's a bit different.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-10-18 02:35:33 PM
PonceAlyosha: stevie1der: hawcian: sprawl15: [img266.imageshack.us image 275x142]

/shamelessly stolen

Wait, couldn't you use an regular pokeball? I thought the chance was just really, really low.

/wow, that brings back memories

My white whale was always Kangaskan. No matter what I did in the safari zone, that damn thing could not be caught.

What about Dratinis? They were always a pain in the ass. But personally I'm like physically incapable of catching Murkrows. They just won't stay in the goddamn ball.

Any of the Abra line. Farking Psychic types. GET IN THE BALL, YOU SPOONBENDING MOTHERFARKER. IT'S YOUR HOME.
 
Skleenar
2011-10-18 02:36:49 PM
As a board member, he collected $202,500 from Agco Corporation, a farm products company, and $259,008 from Whirlpool Corporation (including options and a board salary). A review of stimulus spending records reveal that Cain's companies have eagerly accepted stimulus money:

[snip]

Luckily for Cain, one of his corporations did not appear to receive any tainted stimulus money. According to his disclosure, Cain received $120,000 for his role on the board of Hallmark Cards Inc, the holiday greeting card company. A search by ThinkProgress reveals zero stimulus dollars directed to Hallmark.


That's about $600K of bootstrappy board sitting-on. And you communists want to TAX that!
 
DeaH
2011-10-18 02:36:51 PM
This is how he knows the stimulus doesn't work. He kept the cash and created no new jobs.
 
Sock Ruh Tease
2011-10-18 02:37:27 PM
thinkprogress.org

Herman Cain sucks the souls out of people and the souls empower him.

WAKE UP

FLIP 9 - 9 - 9 OVER

DON'T VOTE FOR A BROTHER-KILLING DEMON
 
Corvus
2011-10-18 02:37:51 PM
You guys are pretending he said something like "I am against the stimulus because I think their are more efficient ways to use the money, but if you are doing the stimulus I would like some of the money"

what he actually said:

Listen to Herman Cain on the campaign trail, and you'll hear him mock President Obama's stimulus program a dozen different ways. Cain calls the program "a waste of money" that "didn't stimulate anything other than bigger government" and a failure. One problem with Cain's barrage of attacks? He sat on the board of directors of American corporations that applied for and received millions in stimulus money.

He said it did not help one single company!!! Then why did he take the money?

If it was a "waste" of government money like he said, we would he take part in wasting government money that helped no one?
 
HellRaisingHoosier
2011-10-18 02:39:06 PM
mahuika: stevie1der: what a hypothetical, future debate between Herman Cain and Barack Obama may look like:

Link (new window)

Actually, I think Obama would be suffering from the same thing Biden did in the Veep debate, namely that his opponent would be so misinformed and out of their element that he would have to tone it down in order to not come across as an abrasive asshole.



I miss the America when our Presidents were tough and didn't pull punches.
 
HighOnCraic
2011-10-18 02:39:10 PM
Skleenar: As a board member, he collected $202,500 from Agco Corporation, a farm products company, and $259,008 from Whirlpool Corporation (including options and a board salary). A review of stimulus spending records reveal that Cain's companies have eagerly accepted stimulus money:

[snip]

Luckily for Cain, one of his corporations did not appear to receive any tainted stimulus money. According to his disclosure, Cain received $120,000 for his role on the board of Hallmark Cards Inc, the holiday greeting card company. A search by ThinkProgress reveals zero stimulus dollars directed to Hallmark.

That's about $600K of bootstrappy board sitting-on. And you communists want to TAX that!

So, he makes a lot of money, and his plan is to drastically cut taxes on people who make lots of money?

Why does that sound familiar?

mrmagazine.files.wordpress.com
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:40:16 PM
Corvus: mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

but he didn't say that. He said it was a complete failure and would not create one job. Obviously if he took the money then he doesn't actually believe that or he wants the US to fail taking money that would not even help his company.

You are pretending his position is something that it is not. He didn't say he was just against the stimulus he said it was a complete failure and would not help anyone or create any jobs. Obviously that is not true.

He's one member of a board and he receives a salary. The fact that they used stimulus money to pay him is, imo, not relevant to whether he thinks the stimulus worked or not. He could absolutely think that the stimulus did not create one American job. I'm not inclined to trust Cain's intentions in saying what he's saying, so I agree with you inasmuch as he's not telling the truth when he says why he's agaisnt the stimulus, but I was remarking that I don't think it's hypocritical to have received stimulus funds and be against the stimulus.
 
The Onion is prophetic [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:40:17 PM
thinkprogress.org

INVISIBLE 4 FOOT HANDJOB
 
HighOnCraic
2011-10-18 02:41:44 PM
mahuika: Corvus: mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

but he didn't say that. He said it was a complete failure and would not create one job. Obviously if he took the money then he doesn't actually believe that or he wants the US to fail taking money that would not even help his company.

You are pretending his position is something that it is not. He didn't say he was just against the stimulus he said it was a complete failure and would not help anyone or create any jobs. Obviously that is not true.

He's one member of a board and he receives a salary. The fact that they used stimulus money to pay him is, imo, not relevant to whether he thinks the stimulus worked or not. He could absolutely think that the stimulus did not create one American job. I'm not inclined to trust Cain's intentions in saying what he's saying, so I agree with you inasmuch as he's not telling the truth when he says why he's agaisnt the stimulus, but I was remarking that I don't think it's hypocritical to have received stimulus funds and be against the stimulus.

The real question is, did he advise the others on the board to take the money or not?
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:45:13 PM
Corvus: You guys are pretending he said something like "I am against the stimulus because I think their are more efficient ways to use the money, but if you are doing the stimulus I would like some of the money"

what he actually said:

Listen to Herman Cain on the campaign trail, and you'll hear him mock President Obama's stimulus program a dozen different ways. Cain calls the program "a waste of money" that "didn't stimulate anything other than bigger government" and a failure. One problem with Cain's barrage of attacks? He sat on the board of directors of American corporations that applied for and received millions in stimulus money.

He said it did not help one single company!!! Then why did he take the money?

If it was a "waste" of government money like he said, we would he take part in wasting government money that helped no one?

Hey, calm down there, I was the only one saying something resembling that, everyone else is talking about Pokemon or West Wing.

He took the money because it was part of his compensation for being on the board. He could absolutely believe that without that money, those companies would have created the same number of jobs at the same cost, and that he would have just been paid less or something. I don't trust that he does really, but that's just based on his other actions, not based on this fact alone.
 
Skleenar
2011-10-18 02:47:18 PM
HighOnCraic: The real question is, did he advise the others on the board to take the money or not?

Seeing as they were paying him 6 figure salaries to advise the boards, and he feels that this is such a terrible thing, he should be on record forcefully making the case that they should not take the funds. I mean, if he's worth six figures for advice, he should probably give it, right?
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:48:03 PM
HighOnCraic: The real question is, did he advise the others on the board to take the money or not?

Right. And he may very well have, but I don't want to attack him for something I don't actually know.
 
The Homer Tax
2011-10-18 02:48:22 PM
HighOnCraic: The real question is, did he advise the others on the board to take the money or not?

The real question is: why does nobody realize that all these CEOs sitting on the boards of each others' companies is at least 75% of the problem to begin with?

Being a board member: a job so demanding you can do it for 6 different companies and get paid a quarter of a million dollars a year for each one.
 
HighOnCraic
2011-10-18 02:49:06 PM
mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

But Buffet would be the first to admit that he's benefitting from the current tax laws. I'm not so sure if Cain would openly admit that companies he worked for profitted from the stimulus--he's gone on record as saying that nobody benefitted from the stimulus.
 
mahuika [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:54:05 PM
HighOnCraic: mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

But Buffet would be the first to admit that he's benefitting from the current tax laws. I'm not so sure if Cain would openly admit that companies he worked for profitted from the stimulus--he's gone on record as saying that nobody benefitted from the stimulus.

Again, as long as he discloses it. If he's not disclosing it, then he's being disingenious. This is the first I've heard of it, if he responds then I have no problem with it. He probably won't, so it's a moot point, but the article is acting like being against the stimulus / thinking the stimulus didn't help and having received stimulus money are mutually exclusive. It's the sort of thing the rightwing says about Warren Buffet, which always aggravates me.
 
Isitoveryet
2011-10-18 02:54:32 PM
sheeshia
the guys human, i don't know why you (R) conservatives look at him like he's a prophetic savior or something.
 
Arkanaut
2011-10-18 02:55:05 PM
Splinshints: Standard right-wing response: "Look, I hate the pie, I wish nobody had baked the pie. But if it is there, I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to dip my fingers right into it and I'm going to lick the juicy, delicious goo inside from my trembling digits. It's not that I'm a bad person, it's not that I'm saying that it's okay to eat pie. It's just that if the pie is there, I'm going to take my share of it. That's all."

I don't know if pie porn existed before, but this is an excellent example.

/I kid
//Of course it must exist already.
 
WhoIsWillo [TotalFark]
2011-10-18 02:56:08 PM
i45.photobucket.com
 
The Dog Ate The Constitution
2011-10-18 02:59:37 PM
It's almost like he was the only person on the Boards who voted!
 
sprawl15
2011-10-18 03:01:00 PM
 
Isitoveryet
2011-10-18 03:02:39 PM
The Dog Ate The Constitution: It's almost like he was the only person on the Boards who voted!

then went on to publicly bash the stimulus funds he used. weird.
 
stevie1der
2011-10-18 03:03:13 PM
Arkanaut: Splinshints: Standard right-wing response: "Look, I hate the pie, I wish nobody had baked the pie. But if it is there, I'm going to take a piece of it. I'm going to dip my fingers right into it and I'm going to lick the juicy, delicious goo inside from my trembling digits. It's not that I'm a bad person, it's not that I'm saying that it's okay to eat pie. It's just that if the pie is there, I'm going to take my share of it. That's all."

I don't know if pie porn existed before, but this is an excellent example.

/I kid
//Of course it must exist already.

Umm, they kinda built a whole film franchise off the concept, if I recall.
 
palelizard
2011-10-18 03:07:35 PM
mahuika: stevie1der: what a hypothetical, future debate between Herman Cain and Barack Obama may look like:

Link (new window)

Actually, I think Obama would be suffering from the same thing Biden did in the Veep debate, namely that his opponent would be so misinformed and out of their element that he would have to tone it down in order to not come across as an abrasive asshole.

I say be an abrasive asshole. There's been too much coddling of stupidity in public office. They need to start pointing it out, again and again, until we stop getting talking heads and start getting statesmen again.
 
socodog
2011-10-18 03:08:41 PM
Cain will not be elected.
 
HighOnCraic
2011-10-18 03:08:49 PM
mahuika: HighOnCraic: mahuika: Also, as long as he dislcoses this, I actually have no problem with it. Saying something is bad for the average American, something that you benefit from as a millionaire, is not inherently hypocritical. Warren Buffet often speaks out against tax policies that make him richer.

But Buffet would be the first to admit that he's benefitting from the current tax laws. I'm not so sure if Cain would openly admit that companies he worked for profitted from the stimulus--he's gone on record as saying that nobody benefitted from the stimulus.

Again, as long as he discloses it. If he's not disclosing it, then he's being disingenious. This is the first I've heard of it, if he responds then I have no problem with it. He probably won't, so it's a moot point, but the article is acting like being against the stimulus / thinking the stimulus didn't help and having received stimulus money are mutually exclusive. It's the sort of thing the rightwing says about Warren Buffet, which always aggravates me.

But again, Buffet has been very open about the fact that he benefits from the current tax set-up, and that's why he's a good spokesman for proposing reform--it makes him look unselfish.

Cain can't say, "I'm against the stimulus, even though it worked well for the companies I worked for." His whole argument was that smart companies wouldn't take stimulus money in the first place, or see any benefit from the stimulus programs.
 
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