The Raiders have no relevant picks left in the 2012 draft.
The Raiders potentially have no #1 pick in 2013.

It's all or nothing, this year.

basemetal: I'm not so sure Al would have made that trade.

/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
//but some days it's not so bad

Just win, baby. Win now and win big. Worry about the future in the future.

BKITU: netweavr: Win now and win big. Worry about the future in the future.

Save tomorrow for tomorrow. Think about to day instead.

/What's the buzz? Tell me what's a-happening!

Campbell's gone. Palmer's contract is until 2015 by when Pryor will hopefully have developed. Hue Jackson is going all-in.

Week 10 decides everything (Palmer's first real start, a trial by fire.)

netweavr: BKITU: netweavr: Win now and win big. Worry about the future in the future.

Save tomorrow for tomorrow. Think about to day instead.

/What's the buzz? Tell me what's a-happening!

Campbell's gone. Palmer's contract is until 2015 by when Pryor will hopefully have developed. Hue Jackson is going all-in.

Week 10 decides everything (Palmer's first real start, a trial by fire.)

If the Raiders are smart, next year Campbell will still be the starter.

/Said as a Bengals fan
//Palmer is old, Campbell is younger and the difference in them isn't huge.

drkdstryer: FTA: But rarely have trade deadline deals involved quarterbacks, especially ones in a situation like Palmer's.

Has there every been a franchise quarterback who demanded a trade and retired instead of playing when he didn't get that trade? Ever?

Does Brett Favre's shenanigans count?

/Oh shiat, Rodger's Law
//It's a lot like Godwin

I'd rather they do this than piss away the rest of this year with Boller.

4NSpy: I'd rather they do this than piss away the rest of this year with Boller.

agreed.

/ the only Raiders fan in DC

If not Palmer, then who? With Davis' death, you know there's some "win one for the Reaper" sentiment going on there, plus they have played fairly well thus far, so they actually think they can do some damage in the post-season (and who am I to argue with that)...Boller and Pryor aren't the short term answer (or even the long term answer yet), Garrard is having/had back surgery (and he's an upgrade over Boller?), Trent Edwards, really? Good chance the Palmer deals bites Raider-nation right square on the ass....but what other options are there for RIGHT NOW? Which is what they're thinking about...

undercurrent: 4NSpy: I'd rather they do this than piss away the rest of this year with Boller.

agreed.

/ the only Raiders fan in DC

Agreed.

/only Raiders fan in Atlanta.

What people don't seem to get is that any Raiders fan would gladly trade two low first round picks for a win in the playoffs after the drought we've had over the last 10 years or so. A win in the playoffs is what triggers the second 1st round pick btw.

chevydeuce: If not Palmer, then who? With Davis' death, you know there's some "win one for the Reaper" sentiment going on there, plus they have played fairly well thus far, so they actually think they can do some damage in the post-season (and who am I to argue with that)...Boller and Pryor aren't the short term answer (or even the long term answer yet), Garrard is having/had back surgery (and he's an upgrade over Boller?), Trent Edwards, really? Good chance the Palmer deals bites Raider-nation right square on the ass....but what other options are there for RIGHT NOW? Which is what they're thinking about...

Kyle Orton?

Pratty: //Palmer is old, Campbell is younger and the difference in them isn't huge.

Campbell is 29 and Palmer is 31. Neither are spring chickens, neither are old. I think Palmer will complement great with Mcfadden. He's the type of great utility player that Palmer never had on Cincy.

chevydeuce: Good chance the Palmer deals bites Raider-nation right square on the ass....but what other options are there for RIGHT NOW? Which is what they're thinking about..

That's how I feel.

It's not like they made this deal in the middle of April, this was done because Campbell broke his collarbone. They had to make a move right now and they rolled the dice.

Pratty: Kyle Orton?

I wasn't expecting Denver to trade within the division, but stranger things have happened.

/would have liked Orton over Palmer.

Pratty: netweavr: BKITU: netweavr: Win now and win big. Worry about the future in the future.

Save tomorrow for tomorrow. Think about to day instead.

/What's the buzz? Tell me what's a-happening!

Campbell's gone. Palmer's contract is until 2015 by when Pryor will hopefully have developed. Hue Jackson is going all-in.

Week 10 decides everything (Palmer's first real start, a trial by fire.)

If the Raiders are smart, next year Campbell will still be the starter.

/Said as a Bengals fan
//Palmer is old, Campbell is younger and the difference in them isn't huge.

I've been defending Campbell to my fellow Raider fans but I have to say Palmer is an immediate upgrade even if we get the same Palmer that's been playing for you for the last couple of years. He's not much of one but he's still an upgrade. What we're hoping for is the pro-bowl Palmer. He won't be asked to carry this team though and our line has only allowed 7 sacks in 6 games.

/shrug, we'll see

You have to respect this decision a lot more than the Suck for Luck campaigns. And with 4 wins already the Raiders have played themselves out of contention for that first pick anyways.

Now Mark Davis just needs to sell the team to AEG and Palmer can return to the Coliseum.

wholedamnshow: Pratty: //Palmer is old, Campbell is younger and the difference in them isn't huge.

Campbell is 29 and Palmer is 31. Neither are spring chickens, neither are old. I think Palmer will complement great with Mcfadden. He's the type of great utility player that Palmer never had on Cincy.

Oh, huh. I could of sworn that Campbell was 28.

Nevermind then, with Campbell's birthday being in December he isn't noticably younger, so performance based.

4NSpy: Pratty: Kyle Orton?

I wasn't expecting Denver to trade within the division, but stranger things have happened.

/would have liked Orton over Palmer.

Orton is really a great fit in the Raiders style offense.

God this is so awesome. The Raiders going all in and throwing away two future drafts because they've beaten the Broncos, Jets, Texans and Browns. Are any of those teams going to make the playoffs?

bring back jeff garcia

Pratty: Kyle Orton?

Probably not a bad pick, but....I know he's been Tebow'd, but has he made any demands about being traded? Or has Denver really/truly given up on him or made noise about cutting him? and I'm not trying to be snarky. I ask, because I really don't know....

Now it's being reported that there is no conditional 1st rounder in '13. It's supposedly the 1st rounder next year and a 2nd rounder in '13.

Per Adam Schefter.

Al wouldn't have EVER made this trade. Until they get a real GM to fix this shiat storm; I'm a farking nomad.

/Not everyday the team you follow for 22 years stabs you in the back AND gets pantsed by Mike FARKING BROWN!!!!

jayhawk88: God this is so awesome. The Raiders going all in and throwing away two future drafts because they've beaten the Broncos, Jets, Texans and Browns. Are any of those teams going to make the playoffs?

I suggest you take a look at the rest of their schedule. They'll lose maybe four more games unless another major injury occurs.

Bring back Todd Marinovich with the mustache of Jeff Hostetler.

It seems Mike Brown somehow got an incredible result out of the Carson Palmer situation. He got WAY more than he would have at the beginning of the season in a trade with the Raiders and Palmer's replacement is turning into a good QB. Who'da thunk it?

chevydeuce: Pratty: Kyle Orton?

Probably not a bad pick, but....I know he's been Tebow'd, but has he made any demands about being traded? Or has Denver really/truly given up on him or made noise about cutting him? and I'm not trying to be snarky. I ask, because I really don't know....

They haven't made any noise, but trust me, if the Raiders had gone to him and proposed a similar trade, the Broncos would of snapped it up in a heartbeat.

That_Dude: Who'da thunk it?

Not Mike Brown.

I get the feeling that he fell into this deal assbackwards and isn't sure why everyone around him is congratulating him.

Rumor was the Raiders have been interested in Palmer for a couple weeks now. I wonder how much the price went up after Campbell went down on sunday.

bionicjoe: Palmer has beaten the Steelers and is something like 8-2 versus the Ravens.

Really? Alright, the Steelers and Ravens are going down this year! *checks Raiders' schedule*....dammit.

I like this trade a lot, for both sides. Seriously, the Raiders would have no shot at all going to the playoffs with Boller, Vince Young, or Trent Edwards (their 3 best options, yes BEST options lmao those options are the best they had). They are giving up their first rounder next year, but Al gave up a 1st rounder for Seymour and he isn't anywhere near as crucial to the teams success as a QB is. They are 4-2 and in a weak division (Chargers have a 4-1 record against some horrible teams) that they are in the hunt for the division title. They will get comp picks for Nmandi and probably Miller, so they will have a third rounder next year i bet. They also gave up a 3rd rounder for a 1st or 2nd round quality player in Pryor (potentially) and will be able to fill some holes in free agency after all these players that singed 1 year lockout contracts go back up for grabs. To get a QB of Palmers calibur (which is better by far then the other options, and judging by how well Ochocinco is doing in NE could be better than he looked last year), who the HC is already familiar with, with a bye coming up after playing a beatup team before that, is the smartest move for them to make today. The Broncos traded their best WR and the Raiders traded for a good QB.

The Bengals have to be super stoked. 2 first rounders to help out their franchise QB and Receiver next year, a long with another high pick the next year? Badass for them. 4-2 when they only won 4 games last year is already a step in the right direction. If they draft well they will be good for quite awhile.

Good trade for both sides as of today, see how Palmer and those early picks play out in the future. Al Davis would have definately made this trade because he was near death and wanted the team to win now no matter what the cost.

Brubold: jayhawk88: God this is so awesome. The Raiders going all in and throwing away two future drafts because they've beaten the Broncos, Jets, Texans and Browns. Are any of those teams going to make the playoffs?

I suggest you take a look at the rest of their schedule. They'll lose maybe four more games unless another major injury occurs.

Even if they do get into the playoffs and get a win, then what? Does anyone really believe this team is good enough to beat either the Pats or Ravens? For perhaps one playoff win, you're going to get:

- A Carson Palmer that plays well enough, that you may have to give a 31 year old interception machine a multi-year contract
- A draft next year that will be considered a success if it scores you 2 practice squad guys
- A lost first round pick in '13 as well.

Everyone's talking about how young and fast the Raiders are, but these things tend to have a pretty short arc in the NFL. Injuries, free agency, and one or two year wonders can decimate a teams depth pretty quickly. You need those picks to stay competitive.

I'm not saying the Raiders shouldn't have made a play for a QB, but a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer is just ridiculous. He's just not a good QB anymore, and if all you wanted was a game-manager type, then you damn sure didn't need to give up the farm to get one.

jayhawk88: God this is so awesome. The Raiders going all in and throwing away two future drafts because they've beaten the Broncos, Jets, Texans and Browns. Are any of those teams going to make the playoffs?

The question you should be asking is if anybody else in the AFC West is going to make the playoffs.

bionicjoe: This is hilarious.
It is a bit much, but rolling the dice on Palmer is as good as rolling the dice on draft picks. Palmer is an upgrade from Campbell. Campbell was never going to get the Raiders past quality opponents. Palmer has beaten the Steelers and is something like 8-2 versus the Ravens.

Have you seen Palmer's contract for the next 3 years? Link (new window) For a team that needed to renegotiate deals before the season ever began this is dumb on SOOO many levels. Ignoring the Palmer/Campbell, would anyone else give up multiple high picks for a 32 year old QB with a balky knee? The new regime has been in power 12 days and this is what they do? I want Jackson's head on a pole outside the Alameda County courthouse.

GimpyNip: jj325: 4NSpy: I'd rather they do this than piss away the rest of this year with Boller.

My feeling as well. And you never know---Palmer could step up and be another Plunkett or Gannon. Did we waste a 1st round pick on him? No more than we wasted a 1st round pick on JaMarcus



So this has the potential to be as bad a deal as one of the biggest draft busts in NFL history? That's a depressing rationalization.

ORANGE DRANK?

netweavr: The Raiders have no relevant picks left in the 2012 draft.
The Raiders potentially have no #1 pick in 2013.

It's all or nothing, this year.


Not exactly. They'll get plenty of picks from their departed restricted free agents

chevydeuce: If not Palmer, then who? With Davis' death, you know there's some "win one for the Reaper" sentiment going on there, plus they have played fairly well thus far, so they actually think they can do some damage in the post-season (and who am I to argue with that)...Boller and Pryor aren't the short term answer (or even the long term answer yet), Garrard is having/had back surgery (and he's an upgrade over Boller?), Trent Edwards, really? Good chance the Palmer deals bites Raider-nation right square on the ass....but what other options are there for RIGHT NOW? Which is what they're thinking about...


Why not deal a third round pick plus Boller, to Cincy to reaquire Bruce Gradkowski? He won while in Oakland, and he knows their offence and receivers.

The teams who are consistently good in the NFL (the Patriots, the Steelers, the Ravens, the Packers) never make trades like this. That kind of shows what a dumb move this is.

4NSpy: bionicjoe: Palmer has beaten the Steelers and is something like 8-2 versus the Ravens.

Really? Alright, the Steelers and Ravens are going down this year! *checks Raiders' schedule*....dammit.

Playoffs

bhcompy: 4NSpy: bionicjoe: Palmer has beaten the Steelers and is something like 8-2 versus the Ravens.

Really? Alright, the Steelers and Ravens are going down this year! *checks Raiders' schedule*....dammit.

Playoffs

The Steelers are going to the playoffs?

Pratty: bhcompy: 4NSpy: bionicjoe: Palmer has beaten the Steelers and is something like 8-2 versus the Ravens.

Really? Alright, the Steelers and Ravens are going down this year! *checks Raiders' schedule*....dammit.

Playoffs

The Steelers are going to the playoffs?

They're 4-2, the Bungles are the Bungles, and the divisions with more than 1 playoff caliber team only really have two contenders each(AFC South will be the NFC West of the past few years). Raiders/Chargers, Ravens/Steelers, Pats/Bills. Only one of those teams isn't making the playoffs. Bungles and Jets aren't going to contend because rookie QBs on historically bad teams make a great story but don't really contend and the Jets just don't have it in them to win 7 of their last 9 to get to 10 wins and a wildcard spot. That leaves a good chance the Ravens & Steelers will make it