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2011-10-18 09:12:40 AM
Very cool stuff
 
2011-10-18 10:43:15 AM
That'll make him a god damn sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me
 
2011-10-18 11:20:53 AM
It took this long? Good for him.
 
2011-10-18 11:28:43 AM
ArkAngel: That'll make him a god damn sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me


Yeah, strap this on your sore ass, ArkAngel.
 
2011-10-18 12:08:52 PM
Jesus your box is big! Jesus your box is big!

You didn't have to say it twice!

I didn't.
 
2011-10-18 01:16:35 PM
Very cool. Can has? It'll be perfect for the Zombie Apocalypse coming on Friday.
 
2011-10-18 01:28:59 PM
That is totally cool! Hope that unit gets credit for it somehow, bonuses always welcomed!
 
2011-10-18 01:29:18 PM
Love the movie references.....and yeah, we need ASAP....Camping says we're all doomed.
 
2011-10-18 01:29:33 PM
I hope he has time to duck.
 
2011-10-18 01:29:55 PM
I wonder how many companies are already trying to patent it out from under him.
 
2011-10-18 01:30:18 PM
Don't you normally shoot that from the prone position?

Having the ammo on your back while laying down could cause some feed problems and you would be in no position to fix it.

/still looks cool
//probably stole it from predators...
 
2011-10-18 01:30:28 PM
That's farking awesome. I like the quick reaction from the Army. They took one look and said, "Duh, why didn't WE think of that?"
 
2011-10-18 01:32:49 PM
"While The Ironman is still a prototype at this stage, Roy hopes to have acquisition funding secured by early next year."

How about acquisition funding secured by early next week. Or is it in line behind funding for vehicle armor?
.
 
2011-10-18 01:33:29 PM
Useless. That will just let the agunner wander off and not get asploded when you do.

Ammo! Get over here. Barrel change! Where are you?

Does the MK48 have a distinctive thump-thump-thump sound like the M-60? In 1979, I was a newly minted M-60 operator thinking he was the baddest thing in the Army. An E-6 who had been in Vietnam said "Yep. Nothing attracts the mortar round like the sound of an M-60."
 
2011-10-18 01:34:03 PM
Major cool!
 
2011-10-18 01:34:09 PM
He really should have sold the idea to a firm first (or waited until retirement if super greedy).
 
2011-10-18 01:36:08 PM
liam76: Don't you normally shoot that from the prone position?

Having the ammo on your back while laying down could cause some feed problems and you would be in no position to fix it.

/still looks cool
//probably stole it from predators...


Some do, but in a fast firefight it's way more efficient to kneel and shoot, especially in urban fighting. It's a brilliant design. Can't believe we didn't think of it earlier.
 
2011-10-18 01:36:39 PM
I like how the one guy is touching the other guy's butt.

Cue the "mmmmm, mmmm, mmmm"
 
2011-10-18 01:38:27 PM
chaddsfarkprefect

He's a soldier, not a businessman, he doesn't care about making money, he cares about making his army more efficient and better. It's called loyalty.
 
2011-10-18 01:40:52 PM
The Japanese came up with this idea several years ago:

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2011-10-18 01:40:59 PM
Harry Freakstorm: Useless. That will just let the agunner wander off and not get asploded when you do.

Ammo! Get over here. Barrel change! Where are you?

Does the MK48 have a distinctive thump-thump-thump sound like the M-60? In 1979, I was a newly minted M-60 operator thinking he was the baddest thing in the Army. An E-6 who had been in Vietnam said "Yep. Nothing attracts the mortar round like the sound of an M-60."


With the MK48 as well as the M249, there is no such thing as an assistant gunner. It's a personally assigned weapon. When you get up to the .50 cals, THEN you get an AG.

/adapt and overcome
 
2011-10-18 01:41:20 PM
Harry Freakstorm: Useless. That will just let the agunner wander off and not get asploded when you do.

Ammo! Get over here. Barrel change! Where are you?

Does the MK48 have a distinctive thump-thump-thump sound like the M-60? In 1979, I was a newly minted M-60 operator thinking he was the baddest thing in the Army. An E-6 who had been in Vietnam said "Yep. Nothing attracts the mortar round like the sound of an M-60."


That was against a highly trained and disciplined enemy
 
2011-10-18 01:42:15 PM
According to Soldier Systems blog, following up on a Military.com blog piece from the summer, there's already an existing product created by a private company.

Whether it costs more or less, or works as well as this version, is unknowed by me.

/stubmitter
 
2011-10-18 01:44:23 PM
KangTheMad: chaddsfarkprefect

He's a soldier, not a businessman, he doesn't care about making money, he cares about making his army more efficient and better. It's called loyalty.



That and about saving his and his comrades' lives.
 
2011-10-18 01:45:45 PM
Definitely from the "more ammo beats fire discipline every day" school of thought.
 
2011-10-18 01:46:36 PM
This brilliant Staff Sgt. will be rotated out of the Army, where he will find himself unable to get a job in the private sector, and end up on food stamps living out of a trailer. While heating up a can of SpaghettiOs, he will notice on the TV news about a company landing a contract of several billion dollars to produce "Ironman" backpacks for the field.

Then he will look down at his SpaghettiOs, then back at the TV, then back at the SpaghettiOs again, and



.......something will go "SPROING!!!!"
 
2011-10-18 01:48:57 PM
The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?
 
2011-10-18 01:51:38 PM
kombat_unit: The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?


I think the problem was not weight, but the method of carrying it.
 
2011-10-18 01:52:05 PM
Never underestimate the ingenuity of the mid-grade enlisted soldier.

The first up-armouring of HMMWVs were done "off the books" and without approval by mechanics with scrap metal.

The Army was spending assloads of money to equip helicopter mechanics with night vision goggles and other devices for testing the helicopters' IR lights, until a buck sergeant slapped togther a simple IR receptor and other parts from Radio Shack to make a pocket-sized IR tester that cost next to nothing.
 
2011-10-18 01:52:23 PM
With the MK48 as well as the M249, there is no such thing as an assistant gunner. It's a personally assigned weapon. When you get up to the .50 cals, THEN you get an AG.

In the USMC machine guns teams are in groups of 3 (though you almost always operate in pairs) and the machine guns include the 240. SAW's are personal weapons.

Maybe it is good for standing or kneeling, but the angle of the ammo feed looks like it would catch from the prone. Still, kudos for his creativity and hope it works out.

Does the Army use a lot of Mk48's? I've never seen a 7.62 SAW, so I'm curious if they work better without that stupid magazine well. Still love the 240G/B.

/0331
 
2011-10-18 01:53:13 PM
Worst.Fark handle. ever.:

.......something will go "SPROING!!!!"


how exactly would an erection help at that point?
 
2011-10-18 01:53:50 PM
This idea can definatly be expanded on...
momentumoffailure.files.wordpress.com

Some sort of backback shot glass dispenser is greatly needed. Along with a battalion of Mk-750ml bottle operators...
 
2011-10-18 01:57:40 PM
Reminds me of a story/rumour I heard when I was serving with the Canadian Forces.. some Master Corporal working on fighter aircraft information systems came up with a tool that could replace a broken component inside a sealed CRT display with a new one without breaking the seal. Apparently this 3 buck tool could save thousands of dollars in maintenance and down time because the seal could remain intact. Never got compensated for it as his ass (and his brain, apparently) belonged to the Queen. Could have been a horse-sh*t story for all I know, but it reminded us all of the cost of being inventive while still wearing the uniform. No war going on back then, so the imperative was far less than this situation.

/crb
 
2011-10-18 02:00:44 PM
HopScotchNSoda: KangTheMad: chaddsfarkprefect

He's a soldier, not a businessman, he doesn't care about making money, he cares about making his army more efficient and better. It's called loyalty.


That and about saving his and his comrades' lives.


And yet, it will still take at least a year to fund "loyalty."
 
2011-10-18 02:06:25 PM
Joelogon: According to Soldier Systems blog, following up on a Military.com blog piece from the summer, there's already an existing product created by a private company.

Whether it costs more or less, or works as well as this version, is unknowed by me.

/stubmitter


Those would be my questions, too. The makers of the commercial product call it 'wasted effort', but if the Army-made version costs less than the commercial version, and/or is easier to support in the field... Or is competition suddenly a bad thing again? I forget, that one flip-flops so often.
 
2011-10-18 02:08:40 PM
Looks - interesting.liam76: Don't you normally shoot that from the prone position?

Having the ammo on your back while laying down could cause some feed problems and you would be in no position to fix it.

/still looks cool
//probably stole it from predators...




My first thought as well, having lugged an MG-3 around back when wars were cold. Back when, I had a 100-round looped belt as my ready-ammo, which translates to 20-30 short bursts, pretty much matching the 20-round magazine capacity of the rest of the squad's weapons (H&K G3). The loader had bloody well better be ready on my left before that ran out.

But if the guys on the ground think this is superior, more power to'em. A smart squad leader would see to it that spare ammo was kept ready so the machine gun could be kept firing, even if the backpack somehow jammed.
 
2011-10-18 02:14:46 PM
kombat_unit: The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?


It is unwieldy. It gets caught on everything, bangs against your legs and hits you in the crotch. Then the link gets bent which causes a feed problem. PITA. To avoid this I normally carry it one handed while firing and holding the belt out with my left hand, arm extended while wearing a red headband.
 
2011-10-18 02:15:35 PM
quansem: Reminds me of a story/rumour I heard when I was serving with the Canadian Forces.. some Master Corporal working on fighter aircraft information systems came up with a tool that could replace a broken component inside a sealed CRT display with a new one without breaking the seal. Apparently this 3 buck tool could save thousands of dollars in maintenance and down time because the seal could remain intact. Never got compensated for it as his ass (and his brain, apparently) belonged to the Queen. Could have been a horse-sh*t story for all I know, but it reminded us all of the cost of being inventive while still wearing the uniform. No war going on back then, so the imperative was far less than this situation.

/crb



Well, civilian employers aren't obliged to compensate you for inventions made in the line of your work, either. The patent even belongs to them. But it does sound strange - our armed forces (Denmark) had fairly substantial cash bonuses (as in, 1-3 months pay) for workable suggestions/inventions.
 
2011-10-18 02:20:53 PM
DrSticky: kombat_unit: The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?

It is unwieldy. It gets caught on everything, bangs against your legs and hits you in the crotch. Then the link gets bent which causes a feed problem. PITA. To avoid this I normally carry it one handed while firing and holding the belt out with my left hand, arm extended while wearing a red headband.


You're the best.
 
2011-10-18 02:23:08 PM
DrSticky: kombat_unit: The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?

It is unwieldy. It gets caught on everything, bangs against your legs and hits you in the crotch. Then the link gets bent which causes a feed problem. PITA. To avoid this I normally carry it one handed while firing and holding the belt out with my left hand, arm extended while wearing a red headband.


Probably a good idea to pop your shirt off as well, as it just gets in the way.
 
2011-10-18 02:25:30 PM
http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/details/backpacks/mico-light-and-h eavy-machine-gunners-assault-pack/

I thought it had been done earlier...
 
2011-10-18 02:36:30 PM
liam76: DrSticky: kombat_unit: The problem was, the belts of ammunition were extremely cumbersome and difficult for the gun's operator to carry while on foot-patrol. The initial solution of chopping the belts into 50-round lengths

100 rounds of 7.62mm too cumbersome? Are we deploying midgets?

It is unwieldy. It gets caught on everything, bangs against your legs and hits you in the crotch. Then the link gets bent which causes a feed problem. PITA. To avoid this I normally carry it one handed while firing and holding the belt out with my left hand, arm extended while wearing a red headband.

Probably a good idea to pop your shirt off as well, as it just gets in the way.


I do all of the above while standing in the middle of a wide open area, keeping commies and traitors at bay with my warcry.
 
2011-10-18 02:40:43 PM
HopScotchNSoda: The Army was spending assloads of money to equip helicopter mechanics with night vision goggles and other devices for testing the helicopters' IR lights, until a buck sergeant slapped togther a simple IR receptor and other parts from Radio Shack to make a pocket-sized IR tester that cost next to nothing.

Read a story similar to this in the 90s, whatever new mark of AIM-9 had just been fielded and they cryogenics leaked badly and was a maintenance nightmare, some maintenance team out in Hawaii figured out the problem came up with a fix and submitted it, there was a reward for them (some cash and extra leave). The team came up with a maintenance depot level fix for the Wing and the USAF/USN mandated the fix to the manufacturer and they came up with a field kit and made the change to production missiles.
 
2011-10-18 02:53:13 PM
HOOAH! Good job Sergeant!

Always remember kiddies: Too much ammo is never enough.
 
2011-10-18 02:58:32 PM
clovis69: HopScotchNSoda: The Army was spending assloads of money to equip helicopter mechanics with night vision goggles and other devices for testing the helicopters' IR lights, until a buck sergeant slapped togther a simple IR receptor and other parts from Radio Shack to make a pocket-sized IR tester that cost next to nothing.

Read a story similar to this in the 90s, whatever new mark of AIM-9 had just been fielded and they cryogenics leaked badly and was a maintenance nightmare, some maintenance team out in Hawaii figured out the problem came up with a fix and submitted it, there was a reward for them (some cash and extra leave). The team came up with a maintenance depot level fix for the Wing and the USAF/USN mandated the fix to the manufacturer and they came up with a field kit and made the change to production missiles.


I can go back even farther: Back in WWII, the Kriegsmarine (like almost every navy except the Japanese) were having a terrible time with their torpedoes. The u-boat commanders were claiming that the torpedoes were running too deep, but the Torpedo Directorate claimed that it thoroughly tested the torpedoes, and they worked fine.

There was thus an impasse for quite a while, until a young u-boat commander named Otto Ites (or more likely, a petty officer on his boat) noticed that the balance chambers on his torpedoes had excessive pressure after the boat had been submerged for a long time. The balance chamber was used as a pressure reference for depth keeping on the torpedo. A shaft ran through the chamber, and while it was nominally sealed with o-rings, prolonged submerged runs built up pressure in the boat due to the need to bleed oxygen to replace that consumed by the crew. That excess pressure leaked into the balance chambers, which biased the depth keeping mechanism, causing the torpedoes to run too deep.

The Torpedo Directorate never saw that in its testing, because they launched the torpedoes from surface ships, or from u-boats that hadn't spent a prolonged period submerged, so the test torpedoes were never exposed to excess pressures, and they ran at the correct depth.
 
2011-10-18 03:02:07 PM
dittybopper: The Torpedo Directorate never saw that in its testing, because they launched the torpedoes from surface ships, or from u-boats that hadn't spent a prolonged period submerged, so the test torpedoes were never exposed to excess pressures, and they ran at the correct depth.

And everyone lived happily ever after?
 
2011-10-18 03:07:02 PM
berathe.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-10-18 03:12:53 PM
"Payback time..." (sound of gun being loaded)
fastcache.gawkerassets.com

/hope he gets some extra R&R or money from patent
 
2011-10-18 03:26:43 PM
Erik_Emune: quansem: Reminds me of a story/rumour I heard when I was serving with the Canadian Forces.. some Master Corporal working on fighter aircraft information systems came up with a tool that could replace a broken component inside a sealed CRT display with a new one without breaking the seal. Apparently this 3 buck tool could save thousands of dollars in maintenance and down time because the seal could remain intact. Never got compensated for it as his ass (and his brain, apparently) belonged to the Queen. Could have been a horse-sh*t story for all I know, but it reminded us all of the cost of being inventive while still wearing the uniform. No war going on back then, so the imperative was far less than this situation. /crb

Well, civilian employers aren't obliged to compensate you for inventions made in the line of your work, either. The patent even belongs to them. But it does sound strange - our armed forces (Denmark) had fairly substantial cash bonuses (as in, 1-3 months pay) for workable suggestions/inventions.


The US Military does, as well...or at least the USAF does. We can get up to $15,000 for a suggestion/modification/invention that's adopted by the service. Plus a big PR push, and it counts towards promotion points.

/got a "letter of appreciation" once for a suggestion that was approved, but no cash as it didn't save any money...or maybe because I was an officer...I don't recall the exact reason
 
2011-10-18 03:28:21 PM
OK, here's my csb in the form of a sea story...

My last tour was in an SH-60B squadron. When the helos went on cross-country flights where they needed their commsec gear, the crew always took what we called a cruise box, a collapsable steel chest about the size of two large beer coolers. When they landed somewhere and were going to stay overnight, they had to take the commsec out of the racks, put it in the cruise box and lock it up and one of the crewmembers was supposed to stay with the box in the hotel room or whatever. Anyway, the cruise box is WAY bigger than you need so I took an old tool box and cut some foam up and voila, a little suitcase sized commsec container from off the shelf stuff. We built another one so we would have one for each bird on the detachment.

After a while, we were lending the boxes to other crews when they were flying a cross country and I guess one day the CO saw the box because the next day the QA Officer is down in my face, handing me a bunch of forms for a "Beneficial Suggestion". Apparently, the number of "bennysuggs" a squadron submitted was part of some kind of end of year report and the Skipper wanted this one sent in. It took longer to do all of the paperwork than it did to throw together the box but I grumbled a little bit and did it because I kind of liked the CO at the time. I gave the paperwork to the QAO a few days later and forgot about it.

About three months later I am called up during an award ceremony and lo and behold, I get this cute little letter of appreciation and a check for $34 and some-odd cents (a $50 award less taxes) from the squadron. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, right?

Anyway, the story doesn't end there.

I transferred to the Fleet Reserve and I am working in my garage one day about three years later and I see some clown park in front of my driveway. I'm about ready to go out and tell him to move when I realize it's one of the petty officers from my last detachment. "Hey Chief!" he says, "The Wing has been looking for you!" It turns out that they had just got around to processing my bennysugg and what do you know, I get this cute little letter of appreciation and another check for $34 and some-odd cents from the type wing.

So yeah, this guy will get some recognition for this...

Someday.
 
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