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2011-10-18 03:41:59 PM  
Booze sucks, at least for me. But at one time I farking LOVED to drink and I always got ticked off by these bullpuckey government "drunk" limits. It always seems like someone who drinks more than 3 beers a day is considered a raging, sterno-swilling lush by the powers that be. YET simultaneously they sell alcohol in precisely TWICE the "recommended" ammounts. Seriously. It's always crap like three drinks is enough, but you must by six. A glass of red wine is recommended, good thing it comes in giant bottles -- some a gallon of the grape. BLAH BLAH BLAH FARKIN' BLAH!

You know what this is drunk farkers? You're next. Drug war is increasing, tobacco fiends are terrorists, legal marijuana is no longer legal ( Obama is cracking down on pot-smokers to increase civil unrest, but that's another issue ). Alcohol is next. It's already beginning -- how many stories have you read recently where the workplace is testing for drinking? Insurance companies definately are. And whenever crap like this, illegalization, lifestyle controls, monitoring of precious bodily fluids, becomes completely rampant and accepted, you can bet the head of that snake is the insurance industry.

The insurance industry's influence is shadowy and all-pervasive. Think about it. Their perfect world everyone is healthy, never gets sick, lives with a personal deflector shield and has enough income to pay them everything. Don't think insurance industry power brokers haven't been trying for this ideal. And they're accomplishing this plan without anyone noticing. Well, almost anyone.
 
2011-10-18 03:52:37 PM  

CrazyCurt: Insurance companies definately are. And whenever crap like this, illegalization, lifestyle controls, monitoring of precious bodily fluids, becomes completely rampant and accepted, you can bet the head of that snake is the insurance industry.


Then it's just a giant lawyer fight. There's too much money in booze and if it goes down, it will go down swinging hard.

Besides, coming to work drunk should get you fired. It's not like it's hard to find time outside your working hours to get liquored up so you have the time to sober up before you have to go back.

Furthermore, I don't know what "crap like this" you think this is. Alcohol is a toxin. Toxins hurt you. There is a point at which too much alcohol hurts you and can start to have significant health effects. That level is about 4 drinks most days. And this has been known for some time now. If you don't want to know that, that's your prerogative, but informing people of that fact is not some shadowy conspiracy to destroy the alcohol industry.

Do you think it's some crazy conspiracy that there are recommended sodium and fat intakes? Is it some crazy conspiracy that health officials set daily recommended calorie limits?

It's just information man, chill the fark out. Informing people so they can make intelligent decisions like adults is not a bad thing. If they start coming for your booze, let me know.
 
2011-10-18 03:56:42 PM  

Splinshints: Iggymac: You sound like you could do with a drink dude.

And I'll have one when I go home. In fact, I'll probably have two. And at no point will I delude myself into thinking that what I'm drinking is anything less than toxic and potentially is causing me health problems.

Drinkers are getting as bad as smokers, pretending it's all a-okay and nothing could possibly go wrong, and I really don't get it.

I get the getting pissed off at MADD. Yes, they're a huge pain in the ass, they're just a bunch of prohibitionist harpies with too much spare time, and they're doing everyone a major disservice by refusing to take a moderate and reasonable position on recreational drinking by reasonable adults.

What I don't get is the people like we have in this thread who are dumb enough to come up with stupid conspiracy theories about MADD and the CDC working together just because they don't want to admit that their level of drinking may eventually lead to health problems.

If you regularly drink more than three drinks a day and keep that up for years, you're asking for chronic or masked hypertension or liver disease and all the nasty consequences that come along with it. That's just how it is. I don't understand what burying your head in the sand about that fact accomplishes. If it really bothers you that you're taking that risk... maybe try not drinking as much?

And if it doesn't bother you? Well, hey, more power to you, then why bother trying to lie about it? Although, I hope you're not on MY health plan because I don't fancy paying for your stupidity any more than I do a smoker or some lumbering porker who noshes on three triple cheeseburgers and a pile of fries ever day at lunch.

Actions have consequences. Adults understand this. It's not exactly news to anybody with at least half a brain.


Wow.. you have stepped into trolltastic territory with this one. I was thinking you were a good troll with the first couple of posts, but this one, including your healthplan... well played my friend well played.

10/10
 
2011-10-18 03:57:46 PM  

Splinshints:

It turned out my drinking had caused my BP to no longer fall normally overnight even though it remained normal during the day. Additional tests for kidney disease and diabetes were ordered and it turned out I had non-specific albuminaria and proteinuria, both markers for kidney disease.


Thanks for this. I wasn't really into your rants, either. But as a longtime heavy drinker, this actually gave me pause. I don't suffer any other noticeable physical ailments associated with alcohol. But this struck a chord. So, thanks again.
 
2011-10-18 03:57:57 PM  
It's not a conspiracy but I would just prefer that the CDC would spend its time on well, diseases.
 
2011-10-18 04:06:07 PM  
Another gal from WI chiming in, four or five drinks is just the beginning.
 
2011-10-18 04:07:32 PM  
I don't usually binge drink, but when I do, I prefer drinking to unconsciousness.
 
2011-10-18 04:13:37 PM  
GB Packers fan & will have 5 or 6 beers during the game. No problem.
It's just all those Touchdown shots lately that are compounding the interest.

www.pyromaniac.com
 
2011-10-18 04:23:44 PM  

jakomo002: drinking Wernesgruner


I'm having one right now.
 
2011-10-18 04:50:12 PM  
There was a time not so long ago when 5 drinks in a day would have been a very low amount for me. Now I don't drink at all but have to say that the limits in that article are a joke.
My wife has 1 or 2 glasses of wine every day. In 18 years of marriage I've seen her drunk enough to slur or stagger about 10 times. How in the holy fark do they believe somebody like her has a drinking problem??
 
2011-10-18 04:56:40 PM  

ladynightshade: Another gal from WI chiming in, four or five drinks is just the beginning.


ladynightshade: Another gal from WI chiming in, four or five drinks is just the beginning.


Happy Hour!!!!
 
2011-10-18 05:00:06 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: There are days when I have a beer or two after my morning coffee. Does that make me a binger? Not that I care, if it tastes good at 6:00 am, I'm drinkin' it.

/Wisconsinite


Woke up at noon CST and had a beer and a somewhat crusty leftover sandwich. There is no shame in this. Bonus: was listening to Miles Davis' Kind of Blue.

/New Orleanian - right on your tail as far as infamous drunks goes
//infamous drunk
 
2011-10-18 05:00:15 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: ladynightshade: Another gal from WI chiming in, four or five drinks is just the beginning.

ladynightshade: Another gal from WI chiming in, four or five drinks is just the beginning.

Happy Hour!!!!


Whoa. Seeing double...
 
2011-10-18 05:10:33 PM  
This is the American CDC. I wonder what the European guidelines look like...

/Polish
 
2011-10-18 05:23:39 PM  

Splinshints: Iggymac: You sound like you could do with a drink dude.

And I'll have one when I go home. In fact, I'll probably have two. And at no point will I delude myself into thinking that what I'm drinking is anything less than toxic and potentially is causing me health problems.

Drinkers are getting as bad as smokers, pretending it's all a-okay and nothing could possibly go wrong, and I really don't get it.

I get the getting pissed off at MADD. Yes, they're a huge pain in the ass, they're just a bunch of prohibitionist harpies with too much spare time, and they're doing everyone a major disservice by refusing to take a moderate and reasonable position on recreational drinking by reasonable adults.

What I don't get is the people like we have in this thread who are dumb enough to come up with stupid conspiracy theories about MADD and the CDC working together just because they don't want to admit that their level of drinking may eventually lead to health problems.

If you regularly drink more than three drinks a day and keep that up for years, you're asking for chronic or masked hypertension or liver disease and all the nasty consequences that come along with it. That's just how it is. I don't understand what burying your head in the sand about that fact accomplishes. If it really bothers you that you're taking that risk... maybe try not drinking as much?

And if it doesn't bother you? Well, hey, more power to you, then why bother trying to lie about it? Although, I hope you're not on MY health plan because I don't fancy paying for your stupidity any more than I do a smoker or some lumbering porker who noshes on three triple cheeseburgers and a pile of fries ever day at lunch.

Actions have consequences. Adults understand this. It's not exactly news to anybody with at least half a brain.


I have never made excuses for my drinking, and am fully aware of the eventual consequences. My retirement plan is to die in an epic motorcycle crash, so I've been justifying my drinking in that regard. If I actually live to experience the consequences of my booze, I'll just shoot myself. Now look who's got life figured out.

/does not ride drunk
 
2011-10-18 05:29:41 PM  

caddisfly: [images.wisconsinhistory.org image 600x476]

I'm a Tennessee Williams drinker. I don't drink to excess, just until I feel that click.

/photo is H.L. Mencken and it's hot


Awesome. Didn't know Mencken was a breakfast man. Smashing the state one drink at a time.

Bourbon for Breakfast (new window)

/irish coffee, ftw
 
2011-10-18 06:04:42 PM  
Michio Kaku says we will be able to grow new organs, like livers, within 15 years and that is great for drinkers he also said.

So fellow farkers, just hold on for 15 or so more years and we can all destroy are newly grown livers!
 
2011-10-18 06:17:03 PM  
What's with all these kids drinking binge these days? When I was a kid we couldn't even get binge, we just heard about it. Now it seems to be widely available.
 
2011-10-18 06:41:47 PM  
I'm drinking a 12 rack a day and I consider that relatively moderate. But 2 beers? I don't even FEEL anything after two beers. You need to drink 5-6 just to get a buzz.

/bostonian
 
2011-10-18 07:27:56 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So a bottle of winejaeger counts as 1 drink, yes?


yup

/VE because I'm drunk
 
2011-10-18 09:07:45 PM  
On Friday, I had between one and three beers every hour starting around 9AM. I had off of work, no class, and only had to catch up on Weeds and play Forza 4. There was a slight buz, but nothing of significance. I did go curling, which involved more drinking, then I went out to the bars. 15 hours after I started drinking, near midnight, I finally felt hammered, and it was good.

/Just a normal Wisconsinite.
//Figure the days I don't drink average it out.
 
2011-10-18 09:45:05 PM  
12 pack a dayer checking in here.

/yeah I know it's not good for me
 
2011-10-18 09:49:46 PM  

dickfreckle: Splinshints: Iggymac: You sound like you could do with a drink dude.

And I'll have one when I go home. In fact, I'll probably have two. And at no point will I delude myself into thinking that what I'm drinking is anything less than toxic and potentially is causing me health problems.

Drinkers are getting as bad as smokers, pretending it's all a-okay and nothing could possibly go wrong, and I really don't get it.

I get the getting pissed off at MADD. Yes, they're a huge pain in the ass, they're just a bunch of prohibitionist harpies with too much spare time, and they're doing everyone a major disservice by refusing to take a moderate and reasonable position on recreational drinking by reasonable adults.

What I don't get is the people like we have in this thread who are dumb enough to come up with stupid conspiracy theories about MADD and the CDC working together just because they don't want to admit that their level of drinking may eventually lead to health problems.

If you regularly drink more than three drinks a day and keep that up for years, you're asking for chronic or masked hypertension or liver disease and all the nasty consequences that come along with it. That's just how it is. I don't understand what burying your head in the sand about that fact accomplishes. If it really bothers you that you're taking that risk... maybe try not drinking as much?

And if it doesn't bother you? Well, hey, more power to you, then why bother trying to lie about it? Although, I hope you're not on MY health plan because I don't fancy paying for your stupidity any more than I do a smoker or some lumbering porker who noshes on three triple cheeseburgers and a pile of fries ever day at lunch.

Actions have consequences. Adults understand this. It's not exactly news to anybody with at least half a brain.

I have never made excuses for my drinking, and am fully aware of the eventual consequences. My retirement plan is to die in an epic motorcycle crash, so I've been justifying my drinking in that regard. If I actually live to experience the consequences of my booze, I'll just shoot myself. Now look who's got life figured out.

/does not ride drunk


You've got a better plan than most farkers I read in these threads. I may not agree with your politcal views, but other than that, we should be neighbors. It would be great.
 
2011-10-18 10:08:15 PM  
The CDC considers "four or five alcoholic beverages consumed on one occasion" to be binge drinking. How can it be a binge if I do it every day?

Easy. That's many occasions, so it doesn't count.
 
2011-10-18 10:40:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So a bottle of wine counts as 1 drink, yes?


1.75L Fairbanks Port...$8.99 at Kroger.

www.liquormart.com
 
2011-10-19 12:28:32 AM  
@ deffuse:
Splints sounds like a doc.
 
2011-10-19 12:28:41 AM  
These asinine definitions actually set REAL alcoholics back... back in my twenties, I was a full blown alcoholic and, like a good alcoholic, I got a dooey. For this dooey I had to take an alcohol awareness course that had such a ridiculous definition of what an alcholic was that I could legitimately say that 99% of the people I knew and had ever known were "alcholics".... by their definition, my Mom, who had maybe 10 alcoholic beverages a YEAR was an alcoholic.... I remember thinking "well everyone's an alcoholic, so there's nothing wrong with me... pass the beer!".

I remember mentally latching onto that definition to keep myself in denial longer than I had to be... That crap actually set me back a couple years on getting my drinking under control.
 
2011-10-19 12:35:09 AM  

WTFDYW: 12 pack a dayer checking in here.

/yeah I know it's not good for me


Yeah... that was me... Drinking away the hangover every day makes a body and mind sad over the long term.

I know caring is frowned upon in Fark, so this won't be popular.. but you should really try to get that under control... you'll thank yourself later.
 
2011-10-19 12:36:47 AM  
Would anyone mind paying 2 more dollars per drink if all your woes would be solved in the end. New car, new liver, more days off, sounds good to me!
 
zez
2011-10-19 01:36:51 AM  
I'm a fairly heavy drinker and every test that has come back from my doctor has showed perfect health, I also regularly go out on 100+ mile bicycle rides and long distance backpacking trips beside regular boring stuff at the gym in 26 minutes.

My wife never drinks but it turned out she had cirrhosis of the liver due to her weight and that she would need a liver transplant if she didn't lose a lot of pounds. Anyway, she has lost over 170 pounds so far and now all her numbers are better than normal.

/don't know why I'm posting this except for that I'm drunk
 
zez
2011-10-19 02:08:06 AM  
I also was a lifeguard for 8 years and never really used sunscreen and don't have anything resembling skin cancer, while one of my best friends has had 2 or 3 surgeries to remove skin cancer from a spot that she never shows to the sun.

/guess if you want to be healthy it's best to stay away from me
 
2011-10-19 02:18:59 AM  
Damn folks, a bunch of you make me look like a teetotaler. Thanks?
 
2011-10-20 05:22:52 AM  

zez: I'm a fairly heavy drinker and every test that has come back from my doctor has showed perfect health, I also regularly go out on 100+ mile bicycle rides and long distance backpacking trips beside regular boring stuff at the gym in 26 minutes.

My wife never drinks but it turned out she had cirrhosis of the liver due to her weight and that she would need a liver transplant if she didn't lose a lot of pounds. Anyway, she has lost over 170 pounds so far and now all her numbers are better than normal.

/don't know why I'm posting this except for that I'm drunk


Studies have indeed shown that health is 2/3 genetics and/or prenatal, at least for where the starting line goes. Some people have to work a whole lot harder to kill themselves with bad habits than others.
 
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