Considering that Forte is under contract and can be franchised next year, I'm not really sure why the Bears would just NOW be forced to move quickly since teams have expressed interest. It's not like the two teams expressing interest can trade for Forte without the Bears approval or that Forte could just leave the team.

/Stupid headline is stupid
/Bears are even stupider for not offering extension.

Watch Forte get the Greg Olsen treatment. You're too talented for our offense! Get the hell outta here!

SurfaceTension: Never overpay for a running back. They're great, and then they hit the wall hard. Just as LaDanien Tomlinson, who was the Greatest Running Back Ever just two years ago. Use the money you'd spend on Forte and upgrade the Offensive Line instead.

the ignorance of this is just too much to process...

Zero chance he gets moved.

Very small chance he gets franchised.

High probablity he isn't a Bear next year.

Lando Lincoln: If Forte doesn't get re-upped by the Bears, Angelo will be run out of town. That's all there is to it.

So you're saying there's a silver lining?

/forte down, chicago fortes

But that would require a Chicago sports team to be smart, which is impossible


/hot

/Bucks fan
//just sayin

Angelo let Kreutz walk, and like others have pointed out, overpaying many players like Barber. I think he's trying to be the worst GM in the NFL.

PAY THE MAN!

FTA:

"The Bears haven't expressed any intention of dealing their franchise back."

Move along, people.

look at Chris Johnson. He was going to hold out, got the big contract...and now what? Dude is 26th in the league in yardage, 3.0 ypc, 1 TD....

Forte is a good weapon, but so often these guys hit a wall after they get a big contract.

The Bears gotta realize their passing game dies without the release valve that Forte gives them.

Way I figure, if Forte wants $8M/yr, you gotta get to at least 7 to 7.5. I'd say go 5 yrs, $37.5M, $15M guaranteed. Do it, Bears.

Fark you Angelo! Just Fark you and DIAF!

thomps: regindyn: The Bears gotta realize their passing game dies without the release valve that Forte gives them.

Way I figure, if Forte wants $8M/yr, you gotta get to at least 7 to 7.5. I'd say go 5 yrs, $37.5M, $15M guaranteed. Do it, Bears.

agreed, and they should have cap room to pay for it, presumably they aren't paying their o-line a single dime.

Well, they don't need to pay anyone to operate turnstiles.

/o-lines are a prolific problem this season for several teams
//or are d-lines just that good this season?

I thought one can only resign oneself, otherwise it's called "firing."

/bad subby
//farking hyphens

IKanHazaBukkit: thomps: regindyn: The Bears gotta realize their passing game dies without the release valve that Forte gives them.

Way I figure, if Forte wants $8M/yr, you gotta get to at least 7 to 7.5. I'd say go 5 yrs, $37.5M, $15M guaranteed. Do it, Bears.

agreed, and they should have cap room to pay for it, presumably they aren't paying their o-line a single dime.

Well, they don't need to pay anyone to operate turnstiles.

/o-lines are a prolific problem this season for several teams
//or are d-lines just that good this season?

I had a theory that colleges are producing more high-level talent on the D line than the O line the last few years that I was going to "research" (look at previous drafts for trends). While I got lazy and only got about 2-3 years back, the info I did look at showed that there had been more D-line players drafted in rounds 1-3 than O-line.

My general thought is that defensive ends are getting quicker and smaller, and the developmental approach for offensive tackles isn't changing to adapt to this. Tacking on the increase of spread offenses, there's less protection for O-lineman who get beat.

I was happy when they let Kreutz and Olson go, so hopefully they'll do the same with Forte. In fact, with a bit of luck they could find a way to get rid of Hester in the offseason too.

Paka Ono: Angelo let Kreutz walk, and like others have pointed out, overpaying many players like Barber. I think he's trying to be the worst GM in the NFL.

PAY THE MAN!

Angelo offered Kreutz $4M per year and Kreutz walked away. BTW, he only got $2.5M on the open market, so yeah the Bears are stupid I guess. They also offered Forte $6M per year for a 5 year extension, but Forte turned it down. You can't blame the Bears for the stupidity of the players.

regindyn: IKanHazaBukkit: thomps: regindyn: The Bears gotta realize their passing game dies without the release valve that Forte gives them.

Way I figure, if Forte wants $8M/yr, you gotta get to at least 7 to 7.5. I'd say go 5 yrs, $37.5M, $15M guaranteed. Do it, Bears.

agreed, and they should have cap room to pay for it, presumably they aren't paying their o-line a single dime.

Well, they don't need to pay anyone to operate turnstiles.

/o-lines are a prolific problem this season for several teams
//or are d-lines just that good this season?

I had a theory that colleges are producing more high-level talent on the D line than the O line the last few years that I was going to "research" (look at previous drafts for trends). While I got lazy and only got about 2-3 years back, the info I did look at showed that there had been more D-line players drafted in rounds 1-3 than O-line.

My general thought is that defensive ends are getting quicker and smaller, and the developmental approach for offensive tackles isn't changing to adapt to this. Tacking on the increase of spread offenses, there's less protection for O-lineman who get beat.

Inherently, i feel that NFL teams believe that going for D-linemen and LBs higher in the draft is directly correlated to the fact that the #2, #3, #4 receivers are usually better than the man assigned to cover them. So if the defense has a servicable pass-rush and run-defense they're able to avoid having their corners exposed. Granted, that's not always the case but just a theory.

I look at the teams with solid O-Lines giving the QB an hour to throw the ball and most have a veteran O-Line that has been established for 3-5+ years. I can't prove the assertion but, i'd be interested to research cases in which younger, amateur O-line compositions are proving effective.

Man, I'm dunn with these threads bashing Chicago sports. I can take nomar of it!

Sorry for not integrating the names of the 30 or so QBs that have been with the Bears during my lifetime into my sentence. I'm lazy.

forstmeister: Paka Ono: Angelo let Kreutz walk, and like others have pointed out, overpaying many players like Barber. I think he's trying to be the worst GM in the NFL.

PAY THE MAN!

Angelo offered Kreutz $4M per year and Kreutz walked away. BTW, he only got $2.5M on the open market, so yeah the Bears are stupid I guess. They also offered Forte $6M per year for a 5 year extension, but Forte turned it down. You can't blame the Bears for the stupidity of the players.

Well how about we ask Cutler how he feels about his new center? Kreutz has a better chance now of making it to the SB with the Saints than he does with the Bears. At some point it's about winning a championship.

And why would Forte take $6M when he's clearly worth $8M+? Matt honored his rookie deal, when he could have easily held out a la CJ2K, but did not. And what's his reward for doing so? A big dick in the ass from Angelo. If Forte is the centerpiece of their offense, why aren't they acting like it?

I guess you are right about Forte being stupid. He should have held out for a new contract.

Dear Bears:

I'll trade you Brandon Marshall for Forte's second-best jockstrap.

Signed,

Dolphins Fandom.

Meanwhile, the Raiders are about to mortgage their future to pick up an over-the-hill Carson Palmer.

tallguywithglasseson: Maybe they can find Rashaan Salaam or Curtis Enis and re-sign one of them.

I have a Rashaan Salaam jersey that I wear to games. Its always good for a few laughs.

Why are players offended when they don't get an extension during the first half of the season? Everyone knows that an injury could derail the player, or the player can just stop producing. He's under contract; play that out before worrying about a new one.

Using Kreutz as an example of Angelo's ineptitude is funny. Way to work the market, Kreutz. The only issue I have with Angelo is his delusional feelings towards his o-line. I have more of a problem with Martz, although he may have seen the light with the game against the Panthers.

Come on subby, Bill Wirtz dying was one of the smartest decisions a sports team has ever made!

Forte's only making himself more valuable as the year goes on. However, I don't think he's quite the elite back that some in this thread are making him out to be. Top 10, sure, but you never give an RB more than a 3 year deal, as they tend to hit a wall and stop producing almost without warning.

Lando Lincoln: If Forte doesn't get re-upped by the Bears, Angelo will be run out of town. That's all there is to it.

Angelo should've been run out of town for not beefing up the O-Line and then, to add insult to injury, he cuts the Bears most important O-Lineman (Kreutz). Obviously this jerkwad completely forgot that his QB was all f'd up *before* the NFC Championship.

skrame: Why are players offended when they don't get an extension during the first half of the season? Everyone knows that an injury could derail the player, or the player can just stop producing. He's under contract; play that out before worrying about a new one.

Yes, the players themselves know that as well.

Ackbarican_Idol: Meanwhile, the Raiders are about to mortgage their future to pick up an over-the-hill Carson Palmer.

IIRC, they only have 1 pick in the 1st 4 or 5 rounds. I'd say they already mortgaged their future.

Forte can't go anywhere until the season is done. He wanted top RB in the league money, and they wanted to pay him less. Yeah, he leads the team in receptions, but that's more of an indictment of the receivers and the o-line than it is a reflection of Forte's greatness.

I think he'll get a good deal from the Bears, but he won't be the highest paid back in the league (nor should he be).

And yes, please, fire Jerry Angelo. Not for refusing to pay Forte before he has to, but for producing such a shiatty team on offense that makes Forte as valuable as he is.

Jubeebee: SurfaceTension: Never overpay for a running back. They're great, and then they hit the wall hard. Just as LaDanien Tomlinson, who was the Greatest Running Back Ever just two years ago. Use the money you'd spend on Forte and upgrade the Offensive Line instead.

Running backs are usually good until about age 29 or 30. Forte is 25. I don't think a 5 year contract would be a terrible thing. Forte isn't a real power runner either, so he'll take less abuse than say, Frank Gore.

FTA
The Bears have offered Forte $6 million per season and between $13 million and $14 million guaranteed as part of an extension that would add five years to his current deal.

Rwa2play: Lando Lincoln: If Forte doesn't get re-upped by the Bears, Angelo will be run out of town. That's all there is to it.

Angelo should've been run out of town for not beefing up the O-Line and then, to add insult to injury, he cuts the Bears most important O-Lineman (Kreutz). Obviously this jerkwad completely forgot that his QB was all f'd up *before* the NFC Championship.

But if you listened to him and Lovie, we have on of the best OL and WR groups in the whole league. Angelo doesn't even have a very good track record drafting defensively over the last couple years. Paea, Melton, Jarron Gilbert, Major Wright, ....the only player still on the roster from 2008 draft is Corey Graham who is solely a special teams player. Great job, Jerry!

iron_city_ap: Ackbarican_Idol: Meanwhile, the Raiders are about to mortgage their future to pick up an over-the-hill Carson Palmer.

IIRC, they only have 1 pick in the 1st 4 or 5 rounds. I'd say they already mortgaged their future.

Looks like they only have a 5th and 6th round pick now and will lose either a 1st or 2nd next year too.Link

Paka Ono: Angelo let Kreutz walk, and like others have pointed out, overpaying many players like Barber. I think he's trying to be the worst GM in the NFL.

FTFY.

/Bears fan

iron_city_ap: Ackbarican_Idol: Meanwhile, the Raiders are about to mortgage their future to pick up an over-the-hill Carson Palmer.

IIRC, they only have 1 pick in the 1st 4 or 5 rounds. I'd say they already mortgaged their future.

They traded the 2nd round for a 3rd & 4th this year, used the 3rd in the supplemental draft (on Pryor), and traded the 4th rounder for Jason Campbell. I wouldn't call those mortgaging the future. They are also expected to get back several compensatory picks in the 3rd-4th rounds for the loss of Asomugha, Gallery, and Miller.

This trade for Palmer, however, is heading to the craps table and putting all your money on the Yo.

/Seriously, wtf Raiders? A First and a conditional 2nd/1st the next year? For CARSON PALMER?

Droog8912: iron_city_ap: Ackbarican_Idol: Meanwhile, the Raiders are about to mortgage their future to pick up an over-the-hill Carson Palmer.

IIRC, they only have 1 pick in the 1st 4 or 5 rounds. I'd say they already mortgaged their future.

They traded the 2nd round for a 3rd & 4th this year, used the 3rd in the supplemental draft (on Pryor), and traded the 4th rounder for Jason Campbell. I wouldn't call those mortgaging the future. They are also expected to get back several compensatory picks in the 3rd-4th rounds for the loss of Asomugha, Gallery, and Miller.

This trade for Palmer, however, is heading to the craps table and putting all your money on the Yo.

/Seriously, wtf Raiders? A First and a conditional 2nd/1st the next year? For CARSON PALMER?

So we all know now... AL DAVIS IS A LICH!

/Seriously going nomad if this shiat goes down