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2011-10-18 06:54:53 AM
Spot the differences:

OWS protestor:

i52.tinypic.com

Teabagger:

t3.gstatic.com
 
2011-10-18 06:56:30 AM
Population 4000. I've lived in towns that size. I bet you that town has one grocery store, two gas stations, and ten bars.

People who were born in small towns are so proud of their shiatty little towns, and they've got no reason to be.
 
2011-10-18 06:57:14 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Spot the differences:

OWS protestor:

[i52.tinypic.com image 484x648]

Teabagger:

[t3.gstatic.com image 199x253]


I laughed
 
2011-10-18 06:57:36 AM

PreMortem: FTA: "There is patience, a sense of shared responsibility and a steely resilience that is hard to miss in towns like Ely."


Shared responsibility. Where have I heard that before?


The Bible? Jesus talked a lot about it.
 
2011-10-18 06:57:40 AM

publikenemy: log_jammin: publikenemy: Lying to yourself is only going to hurt yourself

feel free to point out the lie.

I'm only pointing this out so y'all will be fair. Please don't assume everyone with money is evil. It's not fair, most were rewarded by hard work. I'm not saying all were, but even if they have a trust-fund..so what? Why do you care? Do you know them? Maybe they are great people who save injured kittens or something.

Stop the jealousy, it only eats you up..I live in a wealthy area myself, but I'm a lowly trade-person. I don't have a lot of money, but I service these people's houses every day, and most are good people. I usually never see the husbands, even at night, because they are working..

work...sometimes it works


OWS isn't about objecting to the concept of wealth in general, especially not when it's accumulated through hard work, and it's not assuming anyone with money is inherently evil. It's objecting to the fact that the system is set up so that the highest echelons of the moneyed corporations can lobby (read: buy) politicians who will, in return for immediate (campaign financing) or delayed (promises of lucrative corporate or lobbying positions once out of office) remuneration, ensure that the interests of those corporations will be held in higher regard than the interests of the general population when it comes time to craft legislation.
 
2011-10-18 06:58:14 AM

Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.


Sounds like your typical Lutheran.
 
2011-10-18 06:58:33 AM
So the answer to OWS is small-town Communism?

Also, FTFA:

"They can deal with it. They know how to hunt and how to fish. If they have to be self-sufficient, they know how."

I wonder how long Minnesota's deer population would last if the entire city of New York began hunting it for survival. I'd give the deer a few hours.
 
2011-10-18 06:59:29 AM

FuturePastNow: People who were born in small towns are so proud of their shiatty little towns


no they're not. They may defend their small town when someone says things like what you just said, but the vast majority have no town pride beyond the local HS football game.
 
2011-10-18 06:59:54 AM
Is that so Main Stream Media... well it's funny how every poll I've seen has the general population everywhere in 80%-90% agreement with the Occupy Wallstreet movement

// for the cheap seats, it means we're not buying your bullshiat
 
2011-10-18 07:02:36 AM

FuturePastNow: Population 4000. I've lived in towns that size. I bet you that town has one grocery store, two gas stations, and ten bars.

People who were born in small towns are so proud of their shiatty little towns, and they've got no reason to be.


I live in a small town, which recently broke the 3k mark. There are only a few bars. I chose to live here because my options in this general area were the larger city or the surrounding counties, all of which are very politically conservative. Also, my wife wanted to live here, so there's that.
 
2011-10-18 07:03:20 AM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet the "small town America" in question pays more to the fed government than it receives.

**checks link**

www.lawprofessorblogs.com

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)


www.gambling-systems.com
 
2011-10-18 07:04:31 AM
screw ABC and their little On the Road with Charles Kuralt slice of americana pie norman rockwell blog bullshiat. when the heads are separated from the suits & ties and paraded on pikes, when the streets run red with the blood of banksters, Feds & DCscum, this will be a small indicator that things are on the right track.
 
2011-10-18 07:04:51 AM

publikenemy: Stop the jealousy, it only eats you up..I live in a wealthy area myself, but I'm a lowly trade-person. I don't have a lot of money, but I service these people's houses every day, and most are good people. I usually never see the husbands, even at night, because they are working..


I come from a wealthy family myself, and most of the wealthy people in our wealthy area are not wealthy because they bust their asses more than a manuel laborer. Most were born into wealth and, more importantly, the connections that come with wealth.
 
2011-10-18 07:05:18 AM
Boy, the teabagger/"conservative" brigade sure is scared of these OWS people.The MSM media, too. Why is that?
 
2011-10-18 07:07:11 AM

ProudRedneck: This story shows Real Americans doing what they can with whatever they have. Those people aren't sitting around, destroying property, smelling up an area and annoying other Americans like the ows stink hippies. That's the difference between small town America and the Taker Class.
The weather is getting cooler so the stink hippies will be leaving soon. This ows thing will be over soon. They'll be running back to mommy and daddy's warm homes and BANK accounts. They will have accomplished nothing.


You sound scared, boy.
 
2011-10-18 07:07:16 AM

Braindeath: publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.

I haven't deluded myself into this. A lot of people have been become wealthy by screwing others over. Not everyone who has money is like this, but it's a pretty large percentage of them. Most of them aren't doing it for the love of family either. I kind of love that not only can you get wealthy by farking over other people but then if someone says anything about it, you can claim jealousy, and do a little dance. By shortcomings...yes, having a conscience is a shortcoming. If I didn't have one at all I would be a super villain by now. I'm trying to get rid of it. I really want that flashy cape.


It's really hard to shake a conscience. I've been trying for years to be a bad guy, I just can't.

/ I really want to start an investment firm aimed at retired people though.
// or a religion.
 
2011-10-18 07:08:20 AM

doglover: publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work.

ANd many hard workers aren't wealthy.

A coal miner does as much if not more than a coal mine owner. The difference in pay is unacceptable.

I mean, CEOs get golden parachutes even when they fail miserably in some companies, like Disney or a financial firm. If you fail miserably at any other job, you are penalized, not rewarded.


Most coal miners are union and unions are bad!! So guys get bootstrappy, but only the way the republican want you to!
 
2011-10-18 07:08:36 AM

publikenemy: I service these people's houses every day


Also their wives, their sons and their Great Danes. There's not a one of them you won't service. Just a gigolo, everywhere you go.
 
2011-10-18 07:08:46 AM

Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.


Not only that. When most of these people were working their way through college you could actually make $200 a week and still have money left over. It's not that way anymore. And $200 a week won't pay for a place to live much less leave anything to "get ahead" on.

My father, in 1968, was making $65 a week and was able to live a comfortable life with 1 kid and a wife. In 1986 I was able to live off $235 a week and make it work. In 2008, I made $400 a week and struggled to survive. I'm not proud of the fact that I didn't earn more, but what farking choice do I have considering the circumstances were forced to survive in? Either pay more money, or get run farking over when we decide we've had enough. It's your choice.
 
2011-10-18 07:09:00 AM

ProudRedneck: This story shows Real Americans doing what they can with whatever they have. Those people aren't sitting around, destroying property, smelling up an area and annoying other Americans like the ows stink hippies. That's the difference between small town America and the Taker Class.
The weather is getting cooler so the stink hippies will be leaving soon. This ows thing will be over soon. They'll be running back to mommy and daddy's warm homes and BANK accounts. They will have accomplished nothing.


2011-08-24 20:36:10

yep.
 
Skr
2011-10-18 07:09:36 AM
I've been to that townhall in the article photo, a lot of nice scenery up there.
In the Tower / Sudan area up on Lake Vermillon, there is an old mine that has been turned into a tourist attraction. Beautiful area and cool stuff to see above ground and pretty awesome tour below. 23 stories down I think it is.

A lot of the areas up there already had their 'bust'. With Iron and Taconite production moving to easier lodes, many towns crumbled. Tourism and a thriving lakeshore cabin industry helps to keep a lot of the places from completely disappearing.

New cell phone towers having been going up all over the area up there. It is making it feel a little less like 'wilderness', but the communities still seem fairly insular- sticking together and not affected as much as those closer to the large cities. Many older folk that want no part of the hustle and bustle, along with the younger folk that stay and feel the same way.
 
2011-10-18 07:12:50 AM

apoptotic: OWS isn't about objecting to the concept of wealth in general, especially not when it's accumulated through hard work, and it's not assuming anyone with money is inherently evil. It's objecting to the fact that the system is set up so that the highest echelons of the moneyed corporations can lobby (read: buy) politicians who will, in return for immediate (campaign financing) or delayed (promises of lucrative corporate or lobbying positions once out of office) remuneration, ensure that the interests of those corporations will be held in higher regard than the interests of the general population when it comes time to craft legislation.


best definition so far.
/stealing it.
 
2011-10-18 07:15:16 AM
Help Help. A diverse group of people are exercising their rights to freedom of speech and assembly but aren't conveniently labelled. This must be stopped before we are forced to stop and think.
 
2011-10-18 07:16:48 AM
The whole ethos of small-town life is a mistrust of Wall Street, bankers and big business. It's been like that since the 1840s. If there's a negative reaction to OWS from the rural areas, it's knee-jerk ideology because OWS is pure Populism. If anyone is being ironic and/or bootstrappy here, it's city folks who are standing up to The Man.
 
2011-10-18 07:16:58 AM
Because of charities? You aren't really making a case here, subby.
 
2011-10-18 07:19:34 AM

doglover: A coal miner does as much if not more than a coal mine owner. The difference in pay is unacceptable.


Then don't mine coal.

Business owners are rewarded differently because they are the ones with the risk. If a business fails, the worker goes and finds another job. The business owner loses his ass. Now if he can find a politician willing to save his ass, he gets to keep going. Maybe you should be pissed at the politicians for the bail out, rather than the people who took what you would have taken if it had been offered.

Being pissed at people for being rich is pretty pathetic.
 
2011-10-18 07:19:58 AM

lilplatinum: publikenemy: Stop the jealousy, it only eats you up..I live in a wealthy area myself, but I'm a lowly trade-person. I don't have a lot of money, but I service these people's houses every day, and most are good people. I usually never see the husbands, even at night, because they are working..

I come from a wealthy family myself, and most of the wealthy people in our wealthy area are not wealthy because they bust their asses more than a manuel
laborer. Most were born into wealth and, more importantly, the connections that
come with wealth.


That's it, you're right, the man is holding you down..sux for you. Gonna be a hard life. I bet you egged their mansions .
 
2011-10-18 07:20:10 AM

Dear Jerk: If anyone is being ironic and/or bootstrappy here, it's city folks who are standing up to The Man.


I like the comment in TFA about the people in a town feeling shared responsibility, like what do they think the OWS people feel?
 
2011-10-18 07:21:57 AM
Check out Google News. These protests have the right wing press spinning so hard they're about to go into orbit. We are the 99%, Politico. We are the 99%, Wingnut Daily. We are the 99%, and we're not going away.
 
2011-10-18 07:22:45 AM

Weaver95: y'know subby...the occupy movement isn't looking for a fight. they're not out to quash individual effort, or stop people from living lives they want to live. this isn't a fight about small town vs big city. it's not a right wing issue. it's not a left wing issue. In fact it's not a fight at all.

this is a discussion and its a discussion that's long overdue. it's also a discussion that an elite group of people (bankers, some media folks and a couple/few congressional insiders) would rather we don't have. the discussion is about wall street - what they do, how they do it and why its necessary to take a look at their books. wall street objects, of course. they'd rather nobody take a close look at how they do business or where the money goes once they've got it. But wall street (and their small group of elite buddies) are finding out the hard way that even powerful people can only keep the lid on trouble for so long. Eventually the tea pot boils over....

so stop trying to make this into a fight between sub-cultures. it's not helping anyone except the elite few who'd rather we all just STFU about this so they can get back to screwing us over.


Yes it is. It is about stealing money from rich people to give to the lazy. So try again Sparky. Your scumbag protesters won't do anything but cost taxpayers millions anyway.
 
2011-10-18 07:25:05 AM

Scerpes: Business owners are rewarded differently because they are the ones with the risk.


Mine owners no longer risk much. You don't start a new mine until a whole shiat ton of geological work has been done. You don't go into the ground hoping you'll find coal, you know it's there already. Thanks to advances in geology mining is no longer a matter of chance. And the cost of doing the geology work is trivial in comparison to what a mine produces. So you pay a little, drive your risk down to zero and then you just need to have the money for new equipment and to hire people. Which given that the only people who open new mines are existing mine operators, is not a problem. They have the cash on hand, and if they don't want to dip too much into that, they can take out a loan against their production. They know they produce X value of coal a day, easy enough to go to a bank and borrow against that. And because they're already in business, the paperwork is not something that trips them up as they already have people who can handle it.
 
2011-10-18 07:25:57 AM

WhyteRaven74: I like the comment in TFA about the people in a town feeling shared responsibility, like what do they think the OWS people feel?


Notice how no one in the article ever actually says anything about OWS? you could remove the first sentence of the article and have it retitled "small communities unite to help each other in hard times".

but why have truth when the writer can make it us vs them. and it will work. This thread is destined to end up about fly over country and snobby city people.
 
2011-10-18 07:26:21 AM

doglover: I mean, CEOs get golden parachutes even when they fail miserably in some companies, like Disney or a financial firm. If you fail miserably at any other job, you are penalized, not rewarded.


"Golden parachutes" are a tool for creating economic incentive for executives, and for other reasons. Like any tool, they can be good or bad depending on whether they're misused, etc.
 
2011-10-18 07:26:46 AM

Thunderpipes: Your scumbag protesters won't do anything but cost taxpayers millions anyway.


AIG, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs etc cost taxpayers tens of billions. And did nothing to undo the mess they made.
 
2011-10-18 07:27:37 AM

publikenemy: That's it, you're right, the man is holding you down..sux for you. Gonna be a hard life. I bet you egged their mansions .


Did you miss the part where I said I come from a wealthy mansion, I'm not just their pool boy like you are.
 
2011-10-18 07:28:29 AM

Thunderpipes: It is about stealing money from rich people to give to the lazy.


*yawn*

same old talking points.
 
2011-10-18 07:30:44 AM
But, but the gubmint OWES me a living. Why should I take care of myself? In gubmint I twust.
 
2011-10-18 07:30:50 AM

WhyteRaven74: Scerpes: Business owners are rewarded differently because they are the ones with the risk.

Mine owners no longer risk much. You don't start a new mine until a whole shiat ton of geological work has been done. You don't go into the ground hoping you'll find coal, you know it's there already. Thanks to advances in geology mining is no longer a matter of chance. And the cost of doing the geology work is trivial in comparison to what a mine produces. So you pay a little, drive your risk down to zero and then you just need to have the money for new equipment and to hire people. Which given that the only people who open new mines are existing mine operators, is not a problem. They have the cash on hand, and if they don't want to dip too much into that, they can take out a loan against their production. They know they produce X value of coal a day, easy enough to go to a bank and borrow against that. And because they're already in business, the paperwork is not something that trips them up as they already have people who can handle it.


Since it costs so little and there's no risk, wouldn't miners buy their own mine and go into business for themselves?

Who do you think pays for geological work? Who buys equipment needed to mine coal? Who bought the rights to the first 8 mines that didn't pan out? Who takes $10,000 fines from MSHA because some retard can't remember to wear his seat belt on his heavy equipment? Mining is expensive. If it wasn't, everyone would do it.
 
2011-10-18 07:31:29 AM

log_jammin: In rural areas suffering just as badly, people are rolling up their sleeves and getting on with rebuilding their small communities.

Oh shut the fark up. People in rural communities are doing what everyone else is doing. going to work, looking for work, looking for drugs, or at at the bar.

I was born and raised in rural america. we're nothing special. we don't work harder than city people. we're not smarter than city people. we just live in a different area with different needs than people from the city. that's all.

And I say this as someone who loves living in the country.


You forget living in Methville.



/lives rural.
//meth, it's whats for dinner
 
2011-10-18 07:31:36 AM
"Small town America" == Backwater town that survives on state/federal dollars and has to rely on corporate news outlets.

Color me shocked.
 
2011-10-18 07:31:42 AM

Thunderpipes: It is about stealing money from rich people to give to the lazy. So try again Sparky. Your scumbag protesters won't do anything but cost taxpayers millions anyway.


Shamelessly stolen: Nobody thinks that Wall Street owes us anything. They think you owe them. They engaged in criminal fraud and are rewarding themselves for it with your tax money. If you're willing to take it, I pity your lack of self respect.
 
2011-10-18 07:31:53 AM

WhyteRaven74: Thunderpipes: Your scumbag protesters won't do anything but cost taxpayers millions anyway.

AIG, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs etc cost taxpayers tens of billions. And did nothing to undo the mess they made.


Soon the wealth will be shifted back to the masses. Obama's change, as we see in his tacitly endorsed Occupy events, is coming and the wealthy will be wiped out for every penny they owned.
 
2011-10-18 07:32:08 AM

Mean Daddy: But, but the gubmint OWES me a living. Why should I take care of myself? In gubmint I twust.


If you can't make enough money to live on, and the system is rigged to make that happen.. that's what has happened.
 
2011-10-18 07:32:24 AM

Scerpes: Since it costs so little and there's no risk, wouldn't miners buy their own mine and go into business for themselves?


Because the barrier to entry is limited by the fact that the people with footholds are the big mining corporations and they are going to outbid you for mineral rights anywhere anyways.
 
2011-10-18 07:32:33 AM

Sid_6.7: doglover: I mean, CEOs get golden parachutes even when they fail miserably in some companies, like Disney or a financial firm. If you fail miserably at any other job, you are penalized, not rewarded.

"Golden parachutes" are a tool for creating economic incentive for executives, and for other reasons. Like any tool, they can be good or bad depending on whether they're misused, etc.


I think a lot of people would argue they're misused.
 
2011-10-18 07:32:41 AM

Shirley Ujest: You forget living in Methville.


"looking for drugs"
 
2011-10-18 07:33:29 AM

Scerpes: doglover: A coal miner does as much if not more than a coal mine owner. The difference in pay is unacceptable.

Then don't mine coal.

Business owners are rewarded differently because they are the ones with the risk. If a business fails, the worker goes and finds another job. The business owner loses his ass. Now if he can find a politician willing to save his ass, he gets to keep going. Maybe you should be pissed at the politicians for the bail out, rather than the people who took what you would have taken if it had been offered.

Being pissed at people for being rich is pretty pathetic.


Business owners need not risk their posterior if their business fails. Specific individuals can link their personal finances with their business loans but it's foolish to do so. Some who have always fantasized about "being their own boss" will do this, but most restaurant owners know better, as they better as so many restaurants go bust.

I don't think many are pissed at people for being rich. Rather, the growing gap between executive pay and general pay is unfounded. Note the term "growing gap". The gap is increasing but why? Why are executives worth more than they were 20 years ago, or 40 years ago? They generally don't do more than the same jobs did before. It is a cultural shift and people have a right to voice an objection to that shift when they see it as a power grab.
 
2011-10-18 07:33:38 AM
It's okay The 99%. One small town in the ass-end of nowhere is doing moderately okay (relatively speaking). They say they're not complaining abut their comparatively banal mediocrity in the midst of this financial crisis that our benevolent Lords of Finance in no way caused and are doing everything in their power to solve, so you can all go home now. Alright?
 
2011-10-18 07:34:11 AM

log_jammin: Shirley Ujest: You forget living in Methville.

"looking for drugs"



Drugs sounds 'quant'. Meth is the real reason for the season.
 
2011-10-18 07:34:45 AM

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet the "small town America" in question pays more to the fed government than it receives.

**checks link**



States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)


That map is from 2004. In 2008, Ohio, Indiana and Florida are blue.
 
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