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(Abc.net.au)   Small town America's response to OWS protestors: "Sorry, we can't hear you over the sound of our own bootstraps"   (abc.net.au ) divider line
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2011-10-18 03:31:18 AM  
y'know subby...the occupy movement isn't looking for a fight. they're not out to quash individual effort, or stop people from living lives they want to live. this isn't a fight about small town vs big city. it's not a right wing issue. it's not a left wing issue. In fact it's not a fight at all.

this is a discussion and its a discussion that's long overdue. it's also a discussion that an elite group of people (bankers, some media folks and a couple/few congressional insiders) would rather we don't have. the discussion is about wall street - what they do, how they do it and why its necessary to take a look at their books. wall street objects, of course. they'd rather nobody take a close look at how they do business or where the money goes once they've got it. But wall street (and their small group of elite buddies) are finding out the hard way that even powerful people can only keep the lid on trouble for so long. Eventually the tea pot boils over....

so stop trying to make this into a fight between sub-cultures. it's not helping anyone except the elite few who'd rather we all just STFU about this so they can get back to screwing us over.
 
2011-10-18 03:44:56 AM  
Sarah? Is that you?
 
2011-10-18 03:55:55 AM  
First, I'd note the Babblebart divide-and-conquer spin of the headline.

Second, small town America's been dying for decades, accelerated by the construction of Wal-Marts near the interstates, gutting small towns the way the railroads did a century before.

Third, where do you expect people to protest except in their home towns? Most people live in cities, so that's where they protest. (NYC population: 8 million, Minnesota population: 5 million)
 
2011-10-18 05:40:11 AM  
I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.
 
2011-10-18 05:43:31 AM  

Hey dumbasses,

OCCUPY [YOUR TOWN HERE]

 
2011-10-18 05:45:02 AM  

Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.


As someone else said: If you put in that kind of effort, make that kind of sacrifice, I want the system to reward you, I want you to get rich, not just "barely making it, and proud of it!"
 
2011-10-18 05:48:54 AM  
Judging from what I have seen, Most of the OWS protesters should Occupy the Shower a little bit more.
 
2011-10-18 05:48:57 AM  
Hey, maybe subby's just trying to point out the hypocritical small mindedness of ABCs reportage...

Yeah, that's it!
 
2011-10-18 05:51:39 AM  
the protestors need our love and support in thier hours of need.
 
2011-10-18 05:52:58 AM  

Brett Favre: Judging from what I have seen, Most of the OWS protesters should Occupy the Shower a little bit more.


And the assholes show up trying to discredit the protesters in any way they can. What's the matter, hotshot, don't have anything of substance to counter their anger with?
 
2011-10-18 05:53:41 AM  
Comrades,

We're in this for the long haul. Don't even worry about conservative people like this, they will not make it into power again, as Bush was the last. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make our Occupy movement go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated.

It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop on Peristroika, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we go farther. That's how this change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game.
 
2011-10-18 05:55:52 AM  
In rural areas suffering just as badly, people are rolling up their sleeves and getting on with rebuilding their small communities.

Oh shut the fark up. People in rural communities are doing what everyone else is doing. going to work, looking for work, looking for drugs, or at at the bar.

I was born and raised in rural america. we're nothing special. we don't work harder than city people. we're not smarter than city people. we just live in a different area with different needs than people from the city. that's all.

And I say this as someone who loves living in the country.
 
2011-10-18 05:56:31 AM  
FTA: "There is patience, a sense of shared responsibility and a steely resilience that is hard to miss in towns like Ely."


Shared responsibility. Where have I heard that before?
 
2011-10-18 05:58:47 AM  

Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.


LOL spoken like a true slacker
 
2011-10-18 06:00:07 AM  
Funny thing is that it's different for different industries in different countries.

For instance, in the USA and England, the financial services sector became the biggest game in town, and it hoovers up talent, it hoovers up available investment capital and it starts to flex it's muscles politically and gets soft treatment by Governments who become dependent on taxation revenue and politicians who need campaign money. And the success of one industry tends to kill of other smaller (and usually more labor intensive industries).

In other countries, it's different. In Australia and Canada, it's the mining sector, in Russia it's energy, in other countires it's tourism, etc etc...

The response of some countries (e.g., Australia) is to impose a progressive taxation regime on the hyper-successful industries and distribute the proceeds back to the other industries in forms such as infrastructure building, training, education, etc. This prevents bubbles forming in a particular industry and prevents them turning the econmy into a banana republic.

I don't know why this hasn't been done to the finance sector in the USA. It seems that finance is one of the last industries in the USA, and while it generates a lot of money for a few, it's not particularly labor intensive.
 
2011-10-18 06:00:40 AM  
FTFA: The local Habitat for Humanity chapter builds about five homes per year for people facing financial hardship. The head of the Ely effort, Caroline Owens, says the money and labour comes from local volunteers.

Sounds like socialism to me.
 
2011-10-18 06:00:58 AM  

Brett Favre: Judging from what I have seen, Most of the OWS protesters should Occupy the Shower a little bit more.


Mail you dick lately? Your best play was in Ace Ventura Pet Detective.
 
2011-10-18 06:01:07 AM  
 
2011-10-18 06:02:54 AM  
FTA: "If the county roads are snowed under and can't be cleared quickly, people just stay put," she said.

Well that doesn't sound very bootstrappy. They should be walking to town and back (uphill both ways, of course) through that snow! Also, I'm sure she, the writer, and subby all realize that hunting and fishing tend to be frowned upon in major cities, so that's not really an option for most urban dwellers.
 
2011-10-18 06:09:21 AM  

apoptotic: Also, I'm sure she, the writer, and subby all realize that hunting and fishing tend to be frowned upon in major cities, so that's not really an option for most urban dwellers.


the writer doesn't realize that all the bootstraps in the world won't keep the lights and the heat on when you can't get to work because the roads are closed.

he also doesn't seem to know what a hunting season is.
 
2011-10-18 06:12:59 AM  
"bootstraps"

Hey, buddy. Come over here.

Reach down, grab your boots, and lift yourself off the ground. Let's see you do it.
 
2011-10-18 06:13:31 AM  
You know when I ordered my most recent pair of boots, they neglected to include the boot straps, which makes them hard to put on.

So I need to use a shoe horn.

Is shoehorny a good replacement for bootstrappy? I am out in the sticks and can't quite figure that one out.
 
2011-10-18 06:16:21 AM  

Daveman: Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.

As someone else said: If you put in that kind of effort, make that kind of sacrifice, I want the system to reward you, I want you to get rich, not just "barely making it, and proud of it!"


Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.

..because after all, to not do so would mean you would actually have to be accountable for yourself, look yourself in the mirror and say "perhaps I should've taken a different path somewhere along the way"

So now, the next time you are spewing out all the nonsense about the rich, stop and think that maybe, just maybe, that person got his from busting his ass and sacrificing part of his time here on earth for the greater cause of family and self worth..or whatever the fark he made his money for, it doesn't really matter.

And as you said, you want them to be rewarded...ya, you sound like a closet 1percenter to me
 
2011-10-18 06:18:51 AM  

publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.


What a load of bullshiat.
 
2011-10-18 06:19:43 AM  

publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work.


ANd many hard workers aren't wealthy.

A coal miner does as much if not more than a coal mine owner. The difference in pay is unacceptable.

I mean, CEOs get golden parachutes even when they fail miserably in some companies, like Disney or a financial firm. If you fail miserably at any other job, you are penalized, not rewarded.
 
2011-10-18 06:20:13 AM  

publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work.


Millions of people are indeed not wealthy despite their hard work.

Millions of people are indeed wealthy despite not knowing what hard work is.

Millions of people are indeed wealthy mostly because they grew up wealthy.
 
2011-10-18 06:21:44 AM  
How dare the people of OWS not be well dressed. Therefore I'm supporting those utter bastards who've raped and murdered my 401K.
 
2011-10-18 06:21:49 AM  

Weaver95: y'know subby...the occupy movement isn't looking for a fight. they're not out to quash individual effort, or stop people from living lives they want to live. this isn't a fight about small town vs big city. it's not a right wing issue. it's not a left wing issue. In fact it's not a fight at all.

this is a discussion and its a discussion that's long overdue. it's also a discussion that an elite group of people (bankers, some media folks and a couple/few congressional insiders) would rather we don't have. the discussion is about wall street - what they do, how they do it and why its necessary to take a look at their books. wall street objects, of course. they'd rather nobody take a close look at how they do business or where the money goes once they've got it. But wall street (and their small group of elite buddies) are finding out the hard way that even powerful people can only keep the lid on trouble for so long. Eventually the tea pot boils over....

so stop trying to make this into a fight between sub-cultures. it's not helping anyone except the elite few who'd rather we all just STFU about this so they can get back to screwing us over.


Could've fooled me...

a.yfrog.com
 
2011-10-18 06:23:56 AM  

publikenemy: Daveman: Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.

As someone else said: If you put in that kind of effort, make that kind of sacrifice, I want the system to reward you, I want you to get rich, not just "barely making it, and proud of it!"

Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.

..because after all, to not do so would mean you would actually have to be accountable for yourself, look yourself in the mirror and say "perhaps I should've taken a different path somewhere along the way"

So now, the next time you are spewing out all the nonsense about the rich, stop and think that maybe, just maybe, that person got his from busting his ass and sacrificing part of his time here on earth for the greater cause of family and self worth..or whatever the fark he made his money for, it doesn't really matter.

And as you said, you want them to be rewarded...ya, you sound like a closet 1percenter to me


No, that's not it at all.
 
2011-10-18 06:25:05 AM  
There's something off about the rosy picture that the story paints. The mine shut down, social programs cut, and in the story it seems like all everyone does all day alternate between being self-sufficient and volunteering their time and money...but where is the money coming from?

From what I can gather, and the article hints at it with the "gateway to pristine wilderness", it's a small tourist/vacation town. So visitors pump money into all the local businesses and they get all lovey and dovey and spread their time and money around to those less fortunate. Good for them, really.

What's interesting is to lack at how this community doing so well compared to the country:

I suspect they have a "trade surplus" (more money coming in than going out) otherwise the town would be contracting. The businesses are small with local employees and ownership and they pitch in to help the community. There is "patience, a sense of shared responsibility".

These are areas where our countries are failing hard. This town is doing well because it is NOT run with the big business/Wall street mentality (patience LOL, what about THIS quarter? community WTF is that? you mean the labour camps our chinese workers live in?).

Of course everyone knows every headline is just a troll at Fark these days, but I'm pretty sure if the country were being run like a small town with small businesses the OWS people and many other hard-working folk wouldn't be so disillusioned and pissed off.
 
2011-10-18 06:27:21 AM  

rev. dave: You know when I ordered my most recent pair of boots, they neglected to include the boot straps, which makes them hard to put on.

So I need to use a shoe horn.

Is shoehorny a good replacement for bootstrappy? I am out in the sticks and can't quite figure that one out.


Yes, that will work fine.
 
2011-10-18 06:29:06 AM  

log_jammin: publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work.

Millions of people are indeed not wealthy despite their hard work.

Millions of people are indeed wealthy despite not knowing what hard work is.

Millions of people are indeed wealthy mostly because they grew up wealthy.



Lying to yourself is only going to hurt yourself
 
2011-10-18 06:30:11 AM  

QuakerDude: Comrades,

We're in this for the long haul. Don't even worry about conservative people like this, they will not make it into power again, as Bush was the last. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make our Occupy movement go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated.

It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop on Peristroika, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we go farther. That's how this change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game.


If liberals really did have all the answers there wouldn't be any conservatives. The truth is, the democrats have always been at least as greedy as republicans.
 
2011-10-18 06:30:53 AM  
You know, the Iraq War lead-up happened right before I was old enough to care about politics, so I always assumed the DFH meme was an exaggeration. But apparently not. If you protest something against wealth and power, the media really does get obsessed with the idea of you being a bunch of dirty farking hippies. Since clearly this is 1968.

Is this just a nostalgia appeal to the boomers or something? Because last time I checked, they were the ones being hippies last time around, and I can't imagine their retirement funds made it cleanly through this last bust. It's like they want everyone who still has a Grateful Dead shirt in their attic to get back out on the streets.
 
2011-10-18 06:33:09 AM  

publikenemy: Lying to yourself is only going to hurt yourself


feel free to point out the lie.
 
2011-10-18 06:36:34 AM  

Tusz: You know, the Iraq War lead-up happened right before I was old enough to care about politics, so I always assumed the DFH meme was an exaggeration. But apparently not. If you protest something against wealth and power, the media really does get obsessed with the idea of you being a bunch of dirty farking hippies. Since clearly this is 1968.

Is this just a nostalgia appeal to the boomers or something? Because last time I checked, they were the ones being hippies last time around, and I can't imagine their retirement funds made it cleanly through this last bust. It's like they want everyone who still has a Grateful Dead shirt in their attic to get back out on the streets.


Seems like lazy thinking.. or a deliberate effort to encourage lazy thinking.
 
2011-10-18 06:37:34 AM  

publikenemy: Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.

..because after all, to not do so would mean you would actually have to be accountable for yourself, look yourself in the mirror and say "perhaps I should've taken a different path somewhere along the way"


Mr. Cain, I don't think this will help your election chances...
 
2011-10-18 06:38:22 AM  
Hunkering down and waiting out bad weather sounds great... Unless you work for one of the corporate overlords who give you 10 days off PER YEAR, and will quickly fire you if you go over that number. So instead, you work sick, you drive in unsafe conditions, you miss funerals and holidays with family, and you keep your head down, because you need the job to be able to pay the exhorbitant interest rates on your credit cards that you have to use because the corporate f*cks have raised the price on fuel and food beyond the working poor's ability to eat and drive to work. Bootstraps? Kiss my brown ass. Bootstraps are for people born to advantage, who only actually have to get off their asses and go to work at daddy's (and previosly granddaddy's) company, so they can take over and be fat cats.
 
2011-10-18 06:42:15 AM  

publikenemy: Daveman: Skail: I'm kind of bewildered by those people who loudly respond along the lines of "I worked full-time throughout school, incurred massive student debt, work eighteen hours a day at two jobs and have no health insurance, but I'm not complaining. I don't expect anything handed to me."

How does one even attempt to combat this kind of Stockholm Syndrome? It's weird.

As someone else said: If you put in that kind of effort, make that kind of sacrifice, I want the system to reward you, I want you to get rich, not just "barely making it, and proud of it!"

Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.

..because after all, to not do so would mean you would actually have to be accountable for yourself, look yourself in the mirror and say "perhaps I should've taken a different path somewhere along the way"

So now, the next time you are spewing out all the nonsense about the rich, stop and think that maybe, just maybe, that person got his from busting his ass and sacrificing part of his time here on earth for the greater cause of family and self worth..or whatever the fark he made his money for, it doesn't really matter.

And as you said, you want them to be rewarded...ya, you sound like a closet 1percenter to me


Hole in your argument:
static7.businessinsider.com
Social mobility is at an all-time low. It is almost like the 1% has gamed the system to eliminate competition from the 99%.

static7.businessinsider.com
 
2011-10-18 06:42:51 AM  
It won't really do any good to protest in a small town. I mean, who are you going to protest? Most of the "rich businesses" are just mom and pop stores that are barely hanging on. Of course, you could drive 30 miles to a wal-mart that run the little guy out of town, but then, you'd just end up shopping there anyway because you have no choice in the matter.
 
2011-10-18 06:43:19 AM  
Life would probably be even better if those commies from Habitat for Humanity weren't interfering with Ely, Minnesota's bootstrapping. Building homes for entire families that people pay off interest free at 1/4 the rate of my one bedroom apartment? Where do they get off noodling around in the lives of decent people?
 
2011-10-18 06:44:55 AM  
I expect the derp in here to be fantastic. Oh Fark, you never fail to disappoint
 
2011-10-18 06:45:22 AM  
It's devolved into a Be-in at Occupy Philly.
 
2011-10-18 06:45:58 AM  

log_jammin: publikenemy: Lying to yourself is only going to hurt yourself

feel free to point out the lie.


I'm only pointing this out so y'all will be fair. Please don't assume everyone with money is evil. It's not fair, most were rewarded by hard work. I'm not saying all were, but even if they have a trust-fund..so what? Why do you care? Do you know them? Maybe they are great people who save injured kittens or something.

Stop the jealousy, it only eats you up..I live in a wealthy area myself, but I'm a lowly trade-person. I don't have a lot of money, but I service these people's houses every day, and most are good people. I usually never see the husbands, even at night, because they are working..

work...sometimes it works
 
2011-10-18 06:48:23 AM  
 
2011-10-18 06:49:59 AM  

publikenemy: Please don't assume everyone with money is evil.


I, nor the person you originally replied to, made such a claim. that's your strawman.

publikenemy: most were rewarded by hard work.


prove it. prove that most rich people were born poor. please. I would LOVE to see you attempt to do that.

publikenemy: but I service these people


no shiat....
 
2011-10-18 06:50:58 AM  

publikenemy: Millions of people are indeed wealthy because of their hard work. Problem is, the so called "99%" and misguided, mis-informed people such as yourself actually have deluded themselves into thinking that anyone who has money somehow acquired it by farking people over, cheating, stealing, inheriting, and genuinely ass-raping everyone in their way. You do this to make up for your own shortcomings in life.


I haven't deluded myself into this. A lot of people have been become wealthy by screwing others over. Not everyone who has money is like this, but it's a pretty large percentage of them. Most of them aren't doing it for the love of family either. I kind of love that not only can you get wealthy by farking over other people but then if someone says anything about it, you can claim jealousy, and do a little dance. By shortcomings...yes, having a conscience is a shortcoming. If I didn't have one at all I would be a super villain by now. I'm trying to get rid of it. I really want that flashy cape.
 
2011-10-18 06:53:44 AM  

Brett Favre: Judging from what I have seen, Most of the OWS protesters should Occupy the Shower a little bit more.


let's see how fresh a daisy YOU turn out after camping for a month.

/I can usually go about 3 days of camping before i'm in dire need of a shower.
 
2011-10-18 06:54:15 AM  
The townspeople of Ely have had no choice but to step into the breach and fill the gap with their own generosity.

Sounds like socialism.
 
2011-10-18 06:54:38 AM  
This story shows Real Americans doing what they can with whatever they have. Those people aren't sitting around, destroying property, smelling up an area and annoying other Americans like the ows stink hippies. That's the difference between small town America and the Taker Class.
The weather is getting cooler so the stink hippies will be leaving soon. This ows thing will be over soon. They'll be running back to mommy and daddy's warm homes and BANK accounts. They will have accomplished nothing.
 
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