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2011-10-17 08:29:04 PM
I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.
 
2011-10-17 08:50:18 PM
FTFA: A policy in place for some classes - it's up to each teacher - limits students to three washroom visits during class per semester without penalty.

Holy crap!
 
2011-10-17 08:55:40 PM
That is insane.

That Principle should be sayof'ed
 
2011-10-17 09:02:05 PM
Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

And what, teach children that mindless, arbitrary, and invasive rules should also apply to our leaders? What silliness.
 
2011-10-17 09:05:10 PM
Your digestive system is not that hard to master, kids. You drink a 44 oz soda on your way to school, it's gonna need to come out at some point. And you can probably pinpoint that moment every day. So if that moment is halfway through 3rd period English, I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.
 
2011-10-17 09:06:50 PM
jaylectricity: I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.

Could be pretty damn tough with only 5 minutes in between classes.
 
2011-10-17 09:12:10 PM
smooshie: jaylectricity: I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.

Could be pretty damn tough with only 5 minutes in between classes.


Then lay off the damn soda!
 
2011-10-17 09:12:45 PM
 
2011-10-17 09:16:21 PM
jaylectricity: smooshie: jaylectricity: I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.

Could be pretty damn tough with only 5 minutes in between classes.

Then lay off the damn soda!


And the aforementioned UTI-prone girl? Or various other conditions? Even a week-long bout with diarrhea could put you over the limit
 
2011-10-17 09:18:55 PM
jaylectricity: Your digestive system is not that hard to master, kids. You drink a 44 oz soda on your way to school, it's gonna need to come out at some point. And you can probably pinpoint that moment every day. So if that moment is halfway through 3rd period English, I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.

Uh, you mean lunch? Cause on a block schedule, that's when 2nd period ends, as a rule.
 
2011-10-17 09:21:49 PM
ArkAngel: And the aforementioned UTI-prone girl?

Doctor's note.

ArkAngel: Even a week-long bout with diarrhea could put you over the limit

You shouldn't be in school with diarrhea.

ThisIsNotSubtle: Uh, you mean lunch? Cause on a block schedule, that's when 2nd period ends, as a rule.

No, I don't mean lunch, I didn't give any kind of specific time frame. We had 6 periods in school, your mileage may vary.
 
2011-10-17 09:31:06 PM
What is the point of this?

Staying after school for five minutes or however long it took you to do your bathroom visit is not going to result in any learning going on.

Meanwhile, I don't know about you, but when I really have to pee, I don't do so well at either paying attention to a lecture or learning via studying on my own. That's why when I have to pee at work, I go to the bathroom. Heck, we can even leave a meeting to go to the bathroom if there's a true need - best to avoid it, but if you can't, just be quiet about leaving and make it quick to get back.

If someone is obviously abusing the bathroom privileges to go cut class and smoke, or whatever, there should be means to get after that kid without inconveniencing everyone else.

But the bottom line is, 5 minutes after school is not helping anyone learn anything.
 
2011-10-17 09:32:51 PM
jaylectricity:

ThisIsNotSubtle: Uh, you mean lunch? Cause on a block schedule, that's when 2nd period ends, as a rule.

No, I don't mean lunch, I didn't give any kind of specific time frame. We had 6 periods in school, your mileage may vary.


The article mentions block scheduling, which is why I mentioned it. See, normally I'd agree with your original idea. Kids regularly dick around and use bathroom breaks to get out of class when they should be learning to get a clue. But this case does seem, well, excessive. They've cut the day to four periods, and shut down half the bathrooms available except at lunch ... and now they're penalizing kids who take more than three bathroom breaks a semester. It seems like some sort of cartoonish plot against bladders.
 
2011-10-17 09:37:23 PM
ThisIsNotSubtle: It seems like some sort of cartoonish plot against bladders.

It's actually a plot to delay signals and increase capacity of the bladder. We're gonna need our workers working, not going to the bathroom.

Years ago my mother took a test with her doctor. She didn't eat or drink anything 12 hours before the appointment. When she got there he had her drink a half gallon of water.

Then they waited to see how long it took for her to have the urge. It was quite a while and she was proud of herself. But the doctor said this was a bad thing, that she was over-taxing her bladder. She's a nurse so she often had to go long periods of time without using the restroom because there were too many patients that needed too much care on her floor.
 
2011-10-17 09:44:05 PM
jaylectricity: ThisIsNotSubtle: It seems like some sort of cartoonish plot against bladders.

It's actually a plot to delay signals and increase capacity of the bladder. We're gonna need our workers working, not going to the bathroom.


I miss the eighties. Back then it was lasers on sharks and volcano lairs. Now it's teenagers not peeing. It lacks some of the style, y'know? Clearly, what we need is laser powered sharks not peeing on volcanoes.
 
2011-10-17 09:46:23 PM
The students should organize a mass shiat-in. Just fill their pants at the same time one day.
 
2011-10-17 09:52:10 PM
There's really no good way to handle this issue. As a teacher, I can guarantee you several of my current students will feel a sudden need to urinate within minutes of being given any type of assignment in class that requires work. They'll stay in class until their eyes float if we're doing a lab or some sort of cool demonstration. Ask them to write a few sentences about the lab, and they'll go hide in the bathroom until the bell rings. They could care less about grades, so hammering them on their report card doesn't work.

I did a survey a while back, "If you're watching a 2-hour movie, how many times on average do you leave the theater to go to the restroom?" Out of 150 students, only 3 said they'd likely get up to go pee.

We've tried setting up a system where a kid could only leave class once a week (once each for five classes), but that precipitated calls from angry parents accusing us of trying to give kids all manner of ailments.

So now I pretty much let the kids avoid learning whenever they choose, the ones who want to learn take care of their business during passing periods, and stay in class even during the "boring" times.
 
2011-10-17 09:58:19 PM
Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

I've taught for five years and always managed to go to the restroom before or after school or during my 25-minute lunch period. I'm not allowed to leave kids unsupervised, so going to the crapper involves calling for an administrator to come down and babysit my class.
 
2011-10-17 09:59:41 PM
My mom used to keep a big heavy rock as her hall pass. If you're going to dick around when you're supposed to be in class, you're going to have to lug that rock around. If you genuinely need to pee, you won't mind carrying it.
 
2011-10-17 10:06:53 PM
My mom would tell me to ignore the idiot teachers, and not report to detention. My dad would say the same thing, but tell me to piss on the floor also.
My parents had my farking back.
 
2011-10-17 10:08:17 PM
This policy would piss me off.

/It's a turd of a policy.
 
2011-10-17 10:08:24 PM
That is fine until the someone drops a deuce in the middle of class and everyone has to miss this "valuable" learning time.
 
2011-10-17 10:08:42 PM
I had a teacher that wouldn't let me out of class in 1st grade to go to the bathroom. Told her I *really* had to go. She said no again. I was sent to the office a few minutes later for making a yellow puddle in front of her desk.

For that my mom was called to pick me up to take me home. Mom told me to do it again the next time I was told no. Lesson learned: When someone in authority tells you no, pee on *everything*.
 
2011-10-17 10:09:36 PM
Does this also mean that the teachers are actually required to have a shiatlist?
 
2011-10-17 10:09:40 PM
jaylectricity: Your digestive system is not that hard to master, kids. You drink a 44 oz soda on your way to school, it's gonna need to come out at some point. And you can probably pinpoint that moment every day. So if that moment is halfway through 3rd period English, I would suggest hittin' the bathroom between 2nd and 3rd.

Truckers worked this out a long time ago.
Though somehow, I do not think whipping it out, and poking it in that empty 44 bottle will be well received.
 
2011-10-17 10:10:07 PM
Is Dick Cheney and George W. Bush running the school? It's called Torture to force people to hold it in. Or maybe just do like some kids and piss in the garbage can next to the teachers desk. Or crap. It doesn't take away from class time either. And then you get your name in the Media for overthrowing the tyrants of the school.
 
2011-10-17 10:11:13 PM
FirstNationalBastard: The students should organize a mass shiat-in. Just fill their pants at the same time one day.

I bow to the master. No wonder your posts show up green for me.
 
2011-10-17 10:11:40 PM
Reminds me of an episode of "You Can't Do That on Television" when the principal was explaining to someone why they weren't allowed to go to the bathroom. "Well if you've been holding it that long, I don't think that our school plumbing could withstand it"
 
2011-10-17 10:11:57 PM
Put a divider and a squat toilet in the back of the room.


/Cue ADA lawsuit in
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2011-10-17 10:12:34 PM
larrycot: Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

I've taught for five years and always managed to go to the restroom before or after school or during my 25-minute lunch period. I'm not allowed to leave kids unsupervised, so going to the crapper involves calling for an administrator to come down and babysit my class.


Well, good for you Scott goddamn Hanson.
 
2011-10-17 10:12:57 PM
Good thing I'm old. All I used to get for breakfast before school was a pot of coffee, and some undercooked chicken.
 
2011-10-17 10:13:38 PM
Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

De facto, it does. In the last 12 years I have taken not a single during-class-time toilet break, even when I was 9 months pregnant.

Oh, and I stay after school an extra hour past my scheduled end of day on a regular basis (and usually start half an hour early), so take your flippant answers and stick 'em where the moon don't shine, buddy.
 
2011-10-17 10:13:50 PM
When you're walking into class, but you have a foamy ass,
Diarrhea, diarrea!
 
2011-10-17 10:13:53 PM
FTFA: She said her freshman daughter, Dominique, 15, has had urinary tract infections and may be prone to more if forced to delay urinating.


There goes that chick's social life.
 
2011-10-17 10:14:13 PM
You know, if we denied restrooms to the dudes at Gitmo, it'd be called torture... because it is.
 
2011-10-17 10:15:58 PM
If you really have to go and the teacher will not excuse you, get up and go to the bathroom.
 
2011-10-17 10:16:14 PM
Get Lost: Is Dick Cheney and George W. Bush running the school? It's called Torture to force people to hold it in. Or maybe just do like some kids and piss in the garbage can next to the teachers desk. Or crap. It doesn't take away from class time either. And then you get your name in the Media for overthrowing the tyrants of the school.

No,no,no,no. Republicans would condemn bathroom breaks as immoral and against baby jesus. And they should know, what with all the trouble they have had with bathrooms. They then hold a revival meeting where is the evil sinner are forgiven their trespisses, but only after a baptism...of sorts.

These guys are obviously democrats. They passed a rule and automatically demand the humans change their natural behaviors, and even physiology, to comply with the new rules they just pulled out of their ass. During a pee-approved officially sanctioned and monitored bathroom break, of course.
 
2011-10-17 10:16:25 PM
itazurakko: What is the point of this?

Staying after school for five minutes or however long it took you to do your bathroom visit is not going to result in any learning going on.



This is the same shiat as when they do those studies of lost work time costs billions. Because taking 5 minutes to do the office pool added up over the course of every day times how many people there are times how many days equals hundreds of hours of work time. Meanwhile, I've had teachers talk to other teachers for half a period, just BSing, some teachers disappeared totally for entire periods "making copies", etc.But that's ok.
 
2011-10-17 10:16:39 PM
weasil: Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

De facto, it does. In the last 12 years I have taken not a single during-class-time toilet break, even when I was 9 months pregnant.

Oh, and I stay after school an extra hour past my scheduled end of day on a regular basis (and usually start half an hour early), so take your flippant answers and stick 'em where the moon don't shine, buddy.


Careful, some jackass will call you Scott Hansen.
 
2011-10-17 10:16:47 PM
Well as long as we're clear that students aren't entitled to full 1st amendment protections, there is no reason they should expect to be entitled to full 8th amendment protections.
 
2011-10-17 10:17:01 PM
She said her freshman daughter, Dominique, 15, has had urinary tract infections

I feel so sorry for those girls.

Their mothers have just publicly humiliated them. Time to change schools, Dominique! Otherwise the next 2 months are going to be total hell.
 
2011-10-17 10:17:32 PM
You can't control your body 100% in that respect, sometimes it's just not possible.

Also, they lock down all the bathrooms in the school except for a few due to "security"? Holy shiat I'm glad I'm not a kid in these times. We're a society of prisoners. Poor kids.
 
2011-10-17 10:17:57 PM
larrycot: weasil: Weaver95: I think this policy should also apply to teachers and staff.

De facto, it does. In the last 12 years I have taken not a single during-class-time toilet break, even when I was 9 months pregnant.

Oh, and I stay after school an extra hour past my scheduled end of day on a regular basis (and usually start half an hour early), so take your flippant answers and stick 'em where the moon don't shine, buddy.

Careful, some jackass will call you Scott Hansen.


Wow, I didn't know you would take it so personally.
 
2011-10-17 10:18:03 PM
And don't go to detention. Tell them you have other commitments. Thanks anyway.
 
2011-10-17 10:18:20 PM
Now that my knee-jerk response to Weaver is out of the way, I think any kid with a medical excuse (UTI, etc.) gets free passes always.

Any kid without a medical excuse who can't hold it for 83 minutes is pathetic, to say the least.

5 minutes should be plenty of time. Most kids can piss and wash their hands in less than 2 (why yes, I have timed them --- call me a sicko, I don't care), so the rest is dependent on the size of your campus.
 
2011-10-17 10:19:16 PM
Teachers usually go once before school, once at lunch, and once after school. No pity for the little bratlings.
 
2011-10-17 10:19:42 PM
Two mothers, Linda Gigliello and Cathi Diamond, are worried about the well-being of their daughters, who may find themselves "holding it" to avoid the extra class time.

"It's not only that they have to make up the time. It takes up time after school when they may be in a club or have a team practice or catch a bus," Gigliello said.

She said her freshman daughter, Dominique, 15, has had urinary tract infections and may be prone to more if forced to delay urinating.


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2011-10-17 10:21:30 PM
serial_crusher: My mom used to keep a big heavy rock as her hall pass. If you're going to dick around when you're supposed to be in class, you're going to have to lug that rock around. If you genuinely need to pee, you won't mind carrying it.

One of our teachers used a bowling pin. You would spot a freshman walking down the hall w/ it and say, "Mr. Smith's class?" and they'd look embarrassed.

It was fun.
 
2011-10-17 10:21:56 PM
serial_crusher: My mom used to keep a big heavy rock as her hall pass. If you're going to dick around when you're supposed to be in class, you're going to have to lug that rock around. If you genuinely need to pee, you won't mind carrying it.

I broke a sink in high school that way. Who knew it couldn't take a rock dropped from 8 foot up.
 
2011-10-17 10:23:03 PM
Unknown_Poltroon: My mom would tell me to ignore the idiot teachers, and not report to detention. My dad would say the same thing, but tell me to piss on the floor also.
My parents had my farking back.


Because being an asshole to your fellow students and the custodians really gets back at the school administrators. Great idea, if you're a sociopath.
 
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