As if my neighbors didn't think I'm weird enough...

RELOAD! GRENADE! F**K!

Why would you shout "Grenade" to throw your own grenade?
Seems like a wasted feature when you could have used it to make an ally throw his... thus imparting some evolved combat to what is otherwise a strait forward shooter.

way south: Why would you shout "Grenade" to throw your own grenade?
Seems like a wasted feature when you could have used it to make an ally throw his... thus imparting some evolved combat to what is otherwise a strait forward shooter.

This. Voice should be for squad commands.

Yeah, your gonna get police breaking down your front door inside a week if you yell grenade and reload constantly.

There are some things a controller in your hand is simply better for... this is one of them.

Should be squad commands. I've always wanted to be able to control those marines.

/because as much as I love them, their AI is dumb as hell and I feel compulsed to save every marine I can.

way south: Why would you shout "Grenade" to throw your own grenade?
Seems like a wasted feature when you could have used it to make an ally throw his... thus imparting some evolved combat to what is otherwise a strait forward shooter.

As evidenced by anything that has ever come out of Japan, you can shout the name of your attack to make it more powerful. The louder the shout, the stronger the attack. Bonus points if your character is near death, or if your hair changes colors.

Clowns are a Ten: Should be squad commands. I've always wanted to be able to control those marines.

/because as much as I love them, their AI is dumb as hell and I feel compulsed to save every marine I can.

The pathing for their AI could have been stronger, or they could have been balanced to be more effective. Making them a more valuable part of the game and not just a target to avoid or a speed bump you feel half guilty about running over.

The original plan for halo was to be more of a strategy game and badass-normals appear everywhere in the games related fictions.
In halo itself tho, they've always been just scenery.

It was another wasted opportunity.

theresnothinglft: There are some things a controller mouse and keyboard in your hand is simply better for... this is one of them.

You farking console dregs are ruining FPS.

I can't believe anyone would actually buy this heaping pile of a game...don't get me wrong, I loved the first Halo, but this is just repackaging the same game with updated graphics, and some MINOR updates. Maybe if they'd included an updated version of the game, I dunno with Halo: Reach type equipment and weapons, as well as the updated graphics original, I'd give it a thought as to buying the game. And yes, I understand that this is essentially the same thing EA does every 26 minutes with their sports franchise games.

I don't understand why they would remake the same game so damn soon. It's not like Bungie didn't make an amazing FPS before Halo that deserves a remake.

Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

It is a shame though that Microsoft is trying to hard to only use the kinect with the XboX its an amazing piece of technology that could do so much more .

Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

Console FPS's are for people who like multiplayer. Dekstop FPS's are for people who like rich single-player campaigns. And that's why the desktop FPS is dead.

Plant Rights Activist: I don't understand why they would remake the same game so damn soon. It's not like Bungie didn't make an amazing FPS before Halo that deserves a remake.

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Well, this isn't Bungie, this is 343 Industries and Bungie still owns the rights to marathon. Plus the name Halo is guaranteed to sell 4 zillion copies in an hour.

Madox84: I can't believe anyone would actually buy this heaping pile of a game...don't get me wrong, I loved the first Halo, but this is just repackaging the same game with updated graphics, and some MINOR updates. Maybe if they'd included an updated version of the game, I dunno with Halo: Reach type equipment and weapons, as well as the updated graphics original, I'd give it a thought as to buying the game. And yes, I understand that this is essentially the same thing EA does every 26 minutes with their sports franchise games.

This is why I am buying it. I want CE weapons, maps, and rules. I don't want anything from 2,3, or reach. I would have been happy if th XBL release they did a few years ago had multiplayer.

t3knomanser: Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

Console FPS's are for people who like multiplayer. Dekstop FPS's are for people who like rich single-player campaigns. And that's why the desktop FPS is dead.

Desktop FPS is dead? Really?

If you like multiplayer and you are playing on a console I really feel sorry for you.

Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

It is a shame though that Microsoft is trying to hard to only use the kinect with the XboX its an amazing piece of technology that could do so much more .

Ummm.. Microsoft is exploring Kinect-based functionality for Windows 8 and future Windows versions.

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/kinectsdk/

How do you walk?

t3knomanser: Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

Console FPS's are for people who like multiplayer. Dekstop FPS's are for people who like rich single-player campaigns. And that's why the desktop FPS is dead.

Hilarious. You know why there is no FPS where console players can battle PC players? There's no technical limitation preventing this; Portal 2 (coop only) showed how easy it is. A couple obscure FPSes released years ago had this feature-and the PC gamers wiped the floor with the console players every single time. It's because mouse plus keyboard beats joypad a hundred times over, and no console propely supports mouse/keyboard play.

Oh, and here are a couple hundred thousand people who think PC FPS multiplayer gaming is alive and well:

Link (new window)

Top games by current player countCurrent Players Peak Today Game

37,563 67,117 Team Fortress 2
23,232 67,712 Counter-Strike
21,091 57,773 Counter-Strike: Source
7,982 33,454 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
7,498 21,135 Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer
6,678 12,525 Left 4 Dead 2

...and that is just the top ten Steam-enabled games (4 of the top 10 were not FPSes and I therefore eliminated).

t3knomanser: Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

Console FPS's are for people who like multiplayer. Dekstop FPS's are for people who like rich single-player campaigns. And that's why the desktop FPS is dead.

Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself in order to feel good about playing a crappy console multiplayer fps.

t3knomanser: Pocket_Fisherman: Console FPS's are for the short bus gamers.

Console FPS's are for people who like multiplayer. aimbots and rail shooters

Seriously, the only way you can play at all is to CHEAT. Any use of "autoaiming" is considered a permaban offense in a real FPS multiplayer game. Being good at console FPS is like winning the special olympics and you'd prolly have to cheat at that too.

Geotpf: A couple obscure FPSes released years ago had this feature-and the PC gamers wiped the floor with the console players every single time. It's because mouse plus keyboard beats joypad a hundred times over

i think, similarly, console gamers with a gamepads will wipe the floor with console gamers using Kinect.

you can hit the "grenade" button faster than you can verbalize "grenade!", you can pull the trigger faster than you can say "bang! bang! bang!", and you can hit jump button *much* faster than you can pretend to jump in place ...

ever play Mario Kart Wii online? the motion-control wheel users are generally dominated by players using traditional buttons and sticks (wiimote/nunchuck, or CC, or GCC).

MEDIC!!!

/usual plea

The first RTS game with Kinect has to be coming soon. That's what I'm looking forward to.

t3knomanser: Fire! Fire! fark! fark Fire!

Came for this...

/Ass

John Nash: The first RTS game with Kinect has to be coming soon. That's what I'm looking forward to.

Wasn't Endwar something like that?

"Mouse and keyboard beats controllers every time."

Who cares? What does that matter if your console people are playing console people and the PC people are playing PC people? If you're playing single-player the game is scaled to the medium, too.

I'm definitely better at playing with a keyboard and mouse, but I still prefer controllers because I like to play games while sitting on my chair or on the couch and doing that with a mouse and keyboard isn't as comfortable.

John Nash: The first RTS game with Kinect has to be coming soon. That's what I'm looking forward to.

You'd farking think so... Someone needs to go find Peter Molyneux and shout "Black and White Kinect" at him until the police arrive.

Geotpf: 37,563 67,117 Team Fortress 2
23,232 67,712 Counter-Strike
21,091 57,773 Counter-Strike: Source
7,982 33,454 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
7,498 21,135 Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer

Those games are all garbage.

Geotpf: 6,678 12,525 Left 4 Dead 2

That one's pretty good. So 5 for 6 games are crap. Desktop gaming is dead.

Edwardo17: feel good about playing a crappy console multiplayer fps.

I don't even own a console. I mean, I own a Wii, but that hardly counts, right? I'm still waiting for the next Zelda game. Regardless, there's not a lot on the PC worth playing that involves multiplayer. Although Payday is looking pretty good.

Mike_LowELL: Greater range of input creates greater range of depth

This is a subjective term. 99% of desktop FPSes use WASD for direction, a handful of secondary keys, two mouse buttons and the scroll wheel. That's one analog stick, one D-pad, and one set of secondary buttons and a pair of triggers (like the X-Box controller). The advantage of the mouse is greater precision. That's very different from greater "depth" which is a made up term that describes nothing. There are more potential inputs, but how many of them get used. WASD, QEFRZX (maybe), and the number keys, RMB, LMB, Scroll. Any extra mouse buttons get mapped to one of the existing keyboard shortcuts making their use a matter of preference. And really, the number keys are basically mapped to the same function as the scroll wheel _and_ the wheel has the advantage of not requiring a repositioning of the hand (and many players use Q and E in the same place as the scroll wheel), rendering the entire debate academic and retarded. At the same time.

You could argue that the desktop, which is on a much tighter upgrade cycle than a console, offers more modern hardware and more powerful equipment, which means that games can push the technological envelope much further on the desktop. On the other hand, it's now reasonable to ask, "Is that what we really want from our games?" Games like VVVVVV and Super Meat Boy demonstrate that no, there's a significant number of players that don't give a shiat about the technological envelope. Further, from a marketing standpoint, if a developer wants to sell a large number of units they need to target the broadest hardware, which means that they can't push the envelope too far. If they do, it needs to be backwards compatible, meaning you get highly variable experiences.

t3knomanser: Geotpf: 37,563 67,117 Team Fortress 2
23,232 67,712 Counter-Strike
21,091 57,773 Counter-Strike: Source
7,982 33,454 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
7,498 21,135 Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer

Those games are all garbage.

Geotpf: 6,678 12,525 Left 4 Dead 2

That one's pretty good. So 5 for 6 games are crap. Desktop gaming is dead.

I guess the opinions of several million people are trumped by your single opinion. You're right, PC gaming is totally dead. All hail the mighty cockbox 360!

Neondistraction: You're right, PC gaming is totally dead. All hail the mighty cockbox 360!

Which is also primarily a platform for shiatty games. You can't honestly say that it has more shiatty games than the PC, as an absolute number, but as a percentage, it's probably worse off.

Console gaming is dead.

Old man yells at cloud.

/I like my PC & I like my Xbox360.

t3knomanser: Neondistraction: You're right, PC gaming is totally dead. All hail the mighty cockbox 360!

Which is also primarily a platform for shiatty games. You can't honestly say that it has more shiatty games than the PC, as an absolute number, but as a percentage, it's probably worse off.

Console gaming is dead.

So PC gaming is dead and console gaming is dead? I guess the gaming industry is pulling the billions of dollars in annual sales out of their asses then?

Neondistraction: I guess the gaming industry is pulling the billions of dollars in annual sales out of their asses then?

It's like the film industry. The entire thing makes garbage. But enough people pay for garbage that it's profitable. Look on the bright side: it hasn't descended nearly as deep as the TV industry. Which also produces utter crap and makes billions. Speaking of making money for producing absolutely nothing of value, have you looked into the banking industry lately? I hear people are fairly upset about it.

//Seriously, making money is somehow a marker of success? Are you related to Hank Rearden?

yell "pew pew pew"
to use energy weapons and
and "bang bang bang"
to use human guns.

Does anyone else find that using WASD gets tremendously uncomfortable after a few minutes, or is it just me?

Aiming is way better with a mouse, no doubt, but I guess I've always found directional control with a keyboard to be way more clumsy than with an analog stick.

/my 2¢
//no time for videogames these days anyway

Robo Beat: Does anyone else find that using WASD gets tremendously uncomfortable after a few minutes, or is it just me?

It does, a bit. It's better on a desktop vs. a laptop, since you can rotate things around more broadly.

//Can't stand desktops, though. I don't even own a desk.

t3knomanser: Neondistraction: I guess the gaming industry is pulling the billions of dollars in annual sales out of their asses then?

It's like the film industry. The entire thing makes garbage. But enough people pay for garbage that it's profitable. Look on the bright side: it hasn't descended nearly as deep as the TV industry. Which also produces utter crap and makes billions. Speaking of making money for producing absolutely nothing of value, have you looked into the banking industry lately? I hear people are fairly upset about it.

//Seriously, making money is somehow a marker of success? Are you related to Hank Rearden?

Making money may not be the only marker of success but it sure is better than whatever the guy living on the street corner in a tent likes you or not.

//Seriously, if it had "absolutely [no] value" those industries would cease to exist.

Saners: Seriously, if it had "absolutely [no] value" those industries would cease to exist

Fine, no redeeming value. Better? Technically, my turds have a value, in as much as they can be converted into fertilizer.