Sure, but how much per pretzel bowl?

Wonder what it costs society for every extra joint I smoke when I'm already REALLY high.

Oh.... not a god damned penny? Makes complete sense to keep it illegal then I guess...


/my numbers pulled from the same place as the article's numbers.

I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

My gut tells me that these scienticians have no idea what their talking about!

Actually, they're using the total $ amount involved in drunk-related crashes, as well as treatment and alcohol-related liver ailments, and then dividing by total number of drinks sold. ALL drinks, including your daily take-home case of Natty Lite, and shot averages of liquor. And that's on top of the cost of the alcohol itself.

ArkAngel: No wonder Wisconsin is in such bad shape economically

Bars and liquor stores seem to be thriving.

That's not too bad.

Too bad they made it look "not too bad" by saying that. For example, if 1 out of every 10,000 people are affected by excessive drinking, then the full computation is 1/10,000 * $2,000 + 999/1000 * $0 = their $2 per drink average.

Meaning it should be looked at as: "Do you want to take the 1/10,000 chance of that drink costing you $20,000?"
But not: "This single drink I'm taking is only costing $2 more if it's excessive, not bad!"

How long until this is used to justify a tax to 'offset' the societal cost of this non-standard behavior?

M0nkeyp0x: ArkAngel: No wonder Wisconsin is in such bad shape economically

Bars and liquor stores seem to be thriving.

Have you seen their elected officials?
You'd be drinking too.

archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

As long as he takes out the Sentinels, I don't care what he does.

So every time I have 4-5 drinks it costs the government an extra $8-10? I'll drink to that!

Only $2 a drink? Hell yeah, I'll drink excessively!

GanjSmokr: Wonder what it costs society for every extra joint I smoke when I'm already REALLY high.

Oh.... not a god damned penny? Makes complete sense to keep it illegal then I guess...


/my numbers pulled from the same place as the article's numbers.

People will use the fact that you were not devoting that time to working a job and paying taxes as the opportunity cost to society for that joint.

So, by drinking we are causing all this commerce? Awesome! Go have a drink and stimulate the economy. Do your part now!

ATLANTA - The toll of excessive drinking works out to about $2 per drink, in terms of medical expenses and other costs to society, according to a new federal research.

I like to drink while I work on my car and my house. Based on alcohol consumption versus money saved, $2 per drink seems about right.

Tuan: Too bad they made it look "not too bad" by saying that. For example, if 1 out of every 10,000 people are affected by excessive drinking, then the full computation is 1/10,000 * $2,000 + 999/1000 * $0 = their $2 per drink average.

Meaning it should be looked at as: "Do you want to take the 1/10,000 chance of that drink costing you $20,000?"
But not: "This single drink I'm taking is only costing $2 more if it's excessive, not bad!"

No it shouldn't. The article is about the cost to society. See bolded above.

A 1/10,000 chance of a drink costing $20,000 versus a 100% chance of a drink costing $2 is the exact same thing from the perspective of society.

The cost of NOT drinking is sobriety, so there's that.

Ans how much does the government (state and federal) make off of taxing liquor?

archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

Just remember that the people pushing causes like that believe that the really are doing what is best for you.

They want what is best for you, and very often it isn't asking a lot. It's an easy sell, and that's why it scares the he'll out of me.

The Bill of Rights should have had an 11th. The right to not be saved from yourself.

archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo continuation of the prohibitionist movement in this country.

Is it too much to ask that libertarians & Fark Independents™ learn what are externalities and their implications?

U.S. Government institutes a $2.50 "alcohol consumption tax" in 3... 2....

TheWizard: GanjSmokr: Wonder what it costs society for every extra joint I smoke when I'm already REALLY high.

Oh.... not a god damned penny? Makes complete sense to keep it illegal then I guess...


/my numbers pulled from the same place as the article's numbers.

People will use the fact that you were not devoting that time to working a job and paying taxes as the opportunity cost to society for that joint.

It's not like I stop the school bus I'm driving to smoke it, so I'm still technically doing my job.

/i keed - of course I stop the bus to smoke. Safety first.

stop removing greenlit articles

$2 a drink!? That's great! My neighborhood bar charges about $4 for most drinks.

TheWizard: archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

Just remember that the people pushing causes like that believe that the really are doing what is best for you.

They want what is best for you, and very often it isn't asking a lot. It's an easy sell, and that's why it scares the he'll out of me.

The Bill of Rights should have had an 11th. The right to not be saved from yourself.

I think in this case it's more likely that they will just use this to push for even greater sin taxes on alcohol purchases.

Too much money in it to ban the stuff outright.

The Angry Hand of God: Ans how much does the government (state and federal) make off of taxing liquor?

Great now Obama is charging me $2 more per drink? He said there'd be change, not that he'd take my change from me!

TheWizard: The Bill of Rights should have had an 11th. The right to not be saved from yourself.

You mean 12th. (new window)

I think the one that pissed me off the most was "work productivity lost"
If the person doesn't work for the government I don't think the government can lose money by lost work productivity.
So do they mean taxes you should pay from money you would earn had you not been drinking?

If the above is correct... Then the new plan is to tax people for money they didn't make, but they possibly could of!

TofuTheAlmighty: Is it too much to ask that libertarians & Fark Independents™ learn what are externalities and their implications?

Regulate a, but barred from regulating b.

Declare that the cost associated with the regulation of 'a' is increased because of 'b'.

Rather than accept the increase as the cost of living in a free society, declare that the prohibition against regulating 'b' does not apply because of the authority to regulate 'a'.

Next, regulate 'c' with 'b' as a justification.

girljen: Only $2 a drink? Hell yeah, I'll drink excessively!


This!!!!

WOO HOO! Cheap drinks!

TheWizard: archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

Just remember that the people pushing causes like that believe that the really are doing what is best for you.

They want what is best for you, and very often it isn't asking a lot. It's an easy sell, and that's why it scares the he'll out of me.

The Bill of Rights should have had an 11th. The right to not be saved from yourself.

And after all the good work Darwin has done over the millenniums.

Bf+: M0nkeyp0x: ArkAngel: No wonder Wisconsin is in such bad shape economically

Bars and liquor stores seem to be thriving.

Have you seen their elected officials?
You'd be drinking too.

I have, I live "there".

ArkAngel: No wonder Wisconsin is in such bad shape economically

I've said this repeatedly in any thread mentioning Wisconsin and drinking:

Look man, I'm from New Orleans. We're a top-five party destination in the country and possibly the world. We drink in the morning and no one looks at us funny. No one cares when you order a whiskey with your breakfast. Drinking on the street is legal. Bars are open 24-7 and you can get a bottle of scotch at the gas station at 6am. Booze is a part of our DNA.

But then I went to Madison for a weekend. Jesus, you people are farking insane. When you can drink a 20-year Carnival, Mardis Gras and Jazz Fest veteran under the table, I must tip the hat. I'm frightened of Wisconsin. When I see it on a map or mentioned in print my liver lurches in fear.

The second time I experienced Wisconsin was for a Packers game here in the Dome. You'd think that nola, being accustomed to absorbing the worst American tourists can throw at it, would have handled the crowd with ease. You freaks damn near burned the whole place down.

I know a bunch of strippers that would beg to differ.....

The CDC estimated excessive drinking
lack of responsibility cost society nearly $224 billion in 2006

There I fixed it for them.

ecmoRandomNumbers: archnem: I feel really sad that most likely sometime before I die, I will see the birth of a neo-prohibitionist movement in this country.

You've obviously never taken a court-ordered MADD class.

I haven't, how bad is it?

Profedius: The CDC estimated excessive drinking
lack of responsibility Hipsters cost society nearly $224 billion in 2006

There I fixed it for them.

Fixed that for you.

From TFA: "An older study estimated the cost of not exercising to be around $150 billion."

Well, this obviously calls for greater federal oversight of both our beer drinking habits and the amount of time we spend doing some cardio at the gym. A gym like the one at which I'll be in 26 minutes.

The Angry Hand of God: Ans how much does the government (state and federal) make off of taxing liquor?

Wasn't this the point of the tea party movement, to lower our taxes?

kidsizedcoffin: The Angry Hand of God: Ans how much does the government (state and federal) make off of taxing liquor?

Wasn't this the point of the tea party movement, to lower our taxes?

Either way, it is unlikely the average tax per drink is anywhere near $2.

If that is so, my share is $3.5 million.

Pay me $500,000 and I will stay sober.

The Angry Hand of God: Ans how much does the government (state and federal) make off of taxing liquor?

They make too much money. Saint Popcorn should be an inspiration to all Farkers.