question_dj: So what's the legality of an enlisted, active-duty, in-uniform Marine, soldier, Airman, whatever, getting between the cops and the protestors and physically getting involved with the police?

Big Chicken Dinner if his superiors wanted to be dicks. I this particular case, probably nothing at all. Sports figure as well, so he is most likely pretty well insulated.

Add that to the simple fact that he was doing the right thing, and I think he will be ok.

question_dj: quickdraw: question_dj: So what's the legality of an enlisted, active-duty, in-uniform Marine, soldier, Airman, whatever, getting between the cops and the protestors and physically getting involved with the police?

Where was he physically involved with police?

This guy was not in uniform. And I never implied that he was being physically involved. I was simply posing the question. How on Earth did you get that I was implying that applied to this video?

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Although assuming he was doing it on behalf of the OWS folks seems to be incorrect, "I don't care about these people" while gesturing to the protestors makes it seem to me that he was doing the right thing, just to be doing the right thing.

Refreshing really.

question_dj: sinschild: Although assuming he was doing it on behalf of the OWS folks seems to be incorrect, "I don't care about these people" while gesturing to the protestors makes it seem to me that he was doing the right thing, just to be doing the right thing.

Refreshing really.

Indeed. I enjoyed it. There is a need for more Marines such as himself.

More military members in uniform getting involved in domestic political issues?

Yeah, how about "no". That's not a good road to walk down.

Anyway, this 3051 could have action taken against him by his command. Also, there's no reason for him to be there other than to be involved with OWS. Unless he had some other compelling reason to be in MARPAT in a place where it wasn't authorized with his rank insignia all farked up.

Annoyingly repetitive and loud - message lost...

1) If He's still active, that's the worst case of "Da Bumps" I've ever seen..
2) Anyone else notice the audio seemed to skip a lot.skip a lot. skip a lot.
3) 100% agree that the police have become far too militarized since 9-11. If you think it's an accident, it aint.

quickdraw: In before the "lol dirty hippies nothing to see here" crowd.

you say that like it's a bad thing

Imagine if they tried to take him down.

Spade: Anyway, this 3051 could have action taken against him by his command. Also, there's no reason for him to be there other than to be involved with OWS. Unless he had some other compelling reason to be in MARPAT in a place where it wasn't authorized with his rank insignia all farked up.

So, I see that you decided against going with the typical REMF denigration and went straight to his MOS, how technical of you.

I, FarkingHostile, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

question_dj: Spade: question_dj: sinschild: Although assuming he was doing it on behalf of the OWS folks seems to be incorrect, "I don't care about these people" while gesturing to the protestors makes it seem to me that he was doing the right thing, just to be doing the right thing.

Refreshing really.

Indeed. I enjoyed it. There is a need for more Marines such as himself.

More military members in uniform getting involved in domestic political issues?

Yeah, how about "no". That's not a good road to walk down.

Anyway, this 3051 could have action taken against him by his command. Also, there's no reason for him to be there other than to be involved with OWS. Unless he had some other compelling reason to be in MARPAT in a place where it wasn't authorized with his rank insignia all farked up.

So basically, all the Military members protesting, are running the risk of dishonorable discharge by so much as being there? And this particular gentleman could potentially be looking at the same. I had to look up MARPAT. What's wrong about his rank insignia? It looked like he was hamming it up just a little and drawing more attention than necessary to the bars on his shirt.

No. Folks in the military can protest all they want pretty much so long as they don't do it in uniform. Reserve/IRR/former folks can do it also so long as they don't do it in uniform.

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And there's only certain places you are allowed to wear it anyway if you aren't in anymore.

What's wrong with his rank is that it isn't in the right place. And I've never seen a Marine with ribbons on their utilities.

question_dj: So what's the legality of an enlisted, active-duty, in-uniform Marine, soldier, Airman, whatever, getting between the cops and the protestors and physically getting involved with the police?

He's not in uniform. He's wearing parts of a/his uniform. He'd have to shave, don his cover, boots and put his ribbons on his dress uniform (they don't belong on the BDUs [or whatever they are called today]).

If he was in uniform it would be totally in violation of the UCMJ.

He shouldn't be calling himself Sergeant either. Unless he retired after 20 years, which he seems to be too young to have done. He's only sergeant when he is BOTH in the service and in uniform (or at least dealing with other service members). He's just a guy now.

TigerzDad: Annoyingly repetitive and loud - message lost...

Yeah, i couldn't get past the yelling and repetition. The cops didn't seem to be doing anything.

As much as i sympathize with the (some) of the causes at OWS, they and we the observers, have to accept that freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom. There are rules to when, where and what. Ya can't break the law just because you're angry.

Likewise the cops should know they can't violate the rights of the protesters just because they are angry.

StoPPeRmobile: Imagine if they tried to take him down.

He was hoping they'd try.

It did seem a bit loud and repetitive. I'm not sure what happened before the video, but the viewer doesn't seem to get the reasons for all the rage conveyed by the video. The cops mostly seem to be thinking "FML I hate this shiat," but he should know better than most that orders are orders, whether you like it or not. I am not against OWS, but most of the videos where the protesters are getting tackled and cuffed are them asking for it by not getting the hell out of the way when told to. Getting mad at the police for trying to keep order -- even when there are the douche bag hotheads out there like that Balogna guy -- isn't going to help your cause.

Then again I wasn't there, so I could be mistaken.

apeiron242: He's not in uniform. He's wearing parts of a/his uniform. He'd have to shave, don his cover, boots and put his ribbons on his dress uniform (they don't belong on the BDUs [or whatever they are called today]).

If he was in uniform it would be totally in violation of the UCMJ.

Word is he's a Reservist. IIRC, wearing "parts" of your uniform isn't allowed either.

He is actually a Sgt.

Ackbar_GastricFluid: It did seem a bit loud and repetitive. I'm not sure what happened before the video, but the viewer doesn't seem to get the reasons for all the rage conveyed by the video. The cops mostly seem to be thinking "FML I hate this shiat," but he should know better than most that orders are orders, whether you like it or not. I am not against OWS, but most of the videos where the protesters are getting tackled and cuffed are them asking for it by not getting the hell out of the way when told to. Getting mad at the police for trying to keep order -- even when there are the douche bag hotheads out there like that Balogna guy -- isn't going to help your cause.

Then again I wasn't there, so I could be mistaken.

That was good citizen. Now move along!

If he has been honorably discharged he can wear the uniform and say what ever he wants. If he is still under contract and wearing part of a Marine Corps uniform and doing something like this his command could hammer him if they wanted to.
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I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

This was a win? Hes not the first person to say these things. And honestly, if you have half a brain, of course you know hes right. But frankly, the violence escalates when the crowd becomes threatening, and at times in this protest, I would argue the protestors have created more violence than the police. But then again. no ones going to listen. Because your all dirty hippies.

Meh. Looks and sounds like a sham. The confrontation seems a bit too contrived and scripted. He screams and yells at the LEO's, "How can you do this to people!?" while at the same time telling them if they want to 'hurt and kill people' they should go to Iraq... where... he himself, and his 'whole family' apparently, ostensibly, have hurt and killed a whole lot of people. Last I heard or saw, NYPD hasn't 'killed' anyone at OWS. He makes a lot of boisterous gestures bordering on threatening behavior while he repeats repeats repeats the same way too loud convictions over and over and over like he's trying to elicit a response from the LEO's in an effort to goad them into displaying that 'brutality' of which he speaks... and he fails. His last statement to the plethora of journalists and cameras? "I don't know what they're doin'. They walked away. They're scared of me." Smells like a sham too. Maybe we'll find out more about him and the video during his 15 minutes of fame.

ok im watching more and now i think this guys a moron. How does he think riots start? This has not been a solely peaceful protest. Clashes have been started by both sides. And hes acting like the police shouldnt even be there. But if they werent, my guess is this would get completely out of hand. I respect every veteran for their service, but it doesnt mean you have any idea of what your talking about. Im sorry man, but this guy is stupid. Hes yelling at the police, who are there in case things get out of hand. And telling them to leave. Its just stupid. I honestly dont see how any of you can commend this kind of rant.

scotto: I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

Want to explain that, asshole?

henryhill: scotto: I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

Want to explain that, Herr asshole?

/Just kidding
//Don't taze me, bro!

Sorry buddy. NYPD have been kicking innocent, unarmed citizen ass since long before you were born. And I imagine random screaming black dudes are their specialty. Well, when the camera's aren't around. Smart move on your part there.

henryhill: scotto: I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

Want to explain that, asshole?

All the newspaper and media stories of NYPD since there was an NYPD wasn't enough to convince you they looked like SS Soldiers? How could an armed group look like anything else with such a repulsive and repugnant reputation for abuse and cover up on the people they are supposed to be 'serving and protecting'?

About thirty cops gather to listen to this guy. Perfect time to go somewhere nearby and commit a crime.

I think it was 50% cameras and 50% "He's a Marine" that kept the cops from beating him down.

If the cops had any common sense at all, it would have been more like 25/75, but...well, you know.

rudemix: henryhill: scotto: I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

Want to explain that, asshole?

All the newspaper and media stories of NYPD since there was an NYPD wasn't enough to convince you they looked like SS Soldiers? How could an armed group look like anything else with such a repulsive and repugnant reputation for abuse and cover up on the people they are supposed to be 'serving and protecting'?

Serving, protecting, and planting drugs on.
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scotto: I never noticed how much the NYPD look like SS soldiers until I watched this video.

Why are you under the impression it's just NYPD? I've seen University policemen who could make the yelling Sgt look like an ant. Riot gear could make Barney Fife look like SS soldier. The most telling part of the video was the look in the officers' eyes. There wasn't much fire, there was this sense of his words being felt in their minds and hearts. I saw more than a few looking pretty ashamed. I can understand why he kept saying the same thing, over and over. New cops were coming to watch. He needed to reinforce his stance for the ones who missed the original premise. I've never seen a camera stop a pissed off Cop, have you?

Chak: If he has been honorably discharged he can wear the uniform and say what ever he wants.

Only if he holds a MoH. Check your regs.

The USMC has modified people's discharges for this sort of thing. Recently.

missiv: the look in the officers' eyes

None of the police could even look him in the eye. This dude may have personally turned the tide.

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In before the "lol dirty hippies nothing to see here" crowd.

I disagree with the occupy folks, but that guy is spot on. Cops are cowards, the only good one.......

TigerzDad: Annoyingly repetitive and loud - message lost...

Ever been in a shouting match with cops with bullhorns?

Yeah, I am sure the Real Americuns^TM will be in to support the troops on this one.

*snerk*