Lionel Mandrake: If you oppose the general position of OWS (the rules are unfair, and are built to make the wealthy and powerful richer and more powerful, you are either a powerful billionaire, a lackey for billionaires, or a sucker who swallows the "they're dirty lazy hippies who shiat all over the place and nothing more" propaganda.

So that is their position? Funny thing about that, I walk through this mass of shiat every day I go to work, and I never heard anything even close to that. I hear a whole lot of "gimme gimme gimme" and "My life choices sucked, now I deserve to have my debt expunged" but no cognizant message like that.

Perhaps you should offer your services as propaganda minister?

If they got behind a platform that consisted more of "These are the things we want to change and here is how we propose to do it" and less "I want what you have, because, like man, that's what is fair, right, man?" then I could honestly support them.

Cythraul: Public financing of campaigns. That's a good place to start.

It would be a great place to start. Along with making bribery, influence peddling and perjury while in public office capital crimes.

Take out the money and put in the consequences.

C'mon we've moved BEYOND motivations, now it is the time for action:

GET THE WALLSTREET BANKER OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

adamgreeney: SkinnyHead: It's been clear for quite awhile that unrest and disruptions - and the fear which they alone can put in the hearts and minds of those responsible for widespread ills - are absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform (our fundamentally corrupted electoral process certainly can't and won't accomplish that). These protests at least reflect the possibility, the template, for that to happen.

Sounds like Mr. Greenwald is hoping that this OWS movement will lead to the overthrow of the government by force and violence. Well that comes as no surprise.

What part of that encourages violence? Or even mentions it?

Oh wait. Youre reaching again.

Im sure many against the protests are hoping it turns violent so it can be suppressed quickly.

SkinnyHead: Sounds like...

No, no it doesn't.

Remind us again how people calling for secession from the Union weren't actually calling for secession again, I liked that one.

Cythraul: Lionel Mandrake: Amen, Glenn. There are legitimate criticisms of OWS - the most important of which I believe will be worked out (like, "what do you propose to be done?")

Public financing of campaigns. That's a good place to start.

Yep, and that's where OWS should pinpoint their focus instead of vague raging against the machine.

Subs, there's a huge difference between asking someone for their motivation and asking for their demands.

Fark.com

We don't make news, we OCCUPY WALL STREET it

Let one pinhead defend this absurd reality...

SkinnyHead: It's been clear for quite awhile that unrest and disruptions - and the fear which they alone can put in the hearts and minds of those responsible for widespread ills - are absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform (our fundamentally corrupted electoral process certainly can't and won't accomplish that). These protests at least reflect the possibility, the template, for that to happen.

Sounds like Mr. Greenwald is hoping that this OWS movement will lead to the overthrow of the government by force and violence. Well that comes as no surprise.

Exactly, look how many are openly carrying weapons and carrying signs talking about watering the tree of liberty with blood. People openly advocating violence and the overthrow of a democratically elected gov't should be locked up.

These people have no idea why they are there. (new window)

If you're not out on the streets screaming, you are either a sociopath or just stupid.

sinschild: Lionel Mandrake: If you oppose the general position of OWS (the rules are unfair, and are built to make the wealthy and powerful richer and more powerful, you are either a powerful billionaire, a lackey for billionaires, or a sucker who swallows the "they're dirty lazy hippies who shiat all over the place and nothing more" propaganda.

So that is their position? Funny thing about that, I walk through this mass of shiat every day I go to work, and I never heard anything even close to that. I hear a whole lot of "gimme gimme gimme" and "My life choices sucked, now I deserve to have my debt expunged" but no cognizant message like that.

Perhaps you should offer your services as propaganda minister?

If they got behind a platform that consisted more of "These are the things we want to change and here is how we propose to do it" and less "I want what you have, because, like man, that's what is fair, right, man?" then I could honestly support them.

I rarely get a hamburger when walking past a McDonald's billboard, either. The billboard directs me to where I need to go for one, though. I'd think that a job on Wall Street would require the brains to follow this through logically. Guess I'm wrong.

I guess that Skinnyhead is a troll account that portrays what he thinks a mentally retarded person would say, hence the name Skinnyhead. Please don't insurlt the mentally retarded by pretending they are that handicapped, if they can operate the internet they wouldn't be as thick as you portray them.

adamgreeney: SkinnyHead: It's been clear for quite awhile that unrest and disruptions - and the fear which they alone can put in the hearts and minds of those responsible for widespread ills - are absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform (our fundamentally corrupted electoral process certainly can't and won't accomplish that). These protests at least reflect the possibility, the template, for that to happen.

Sounds like Mr. Greenwald is hoping that this OWS movement will lead to the overthrow of the government by force and violence. Well that comes as no surprise.

What part of that encourages violence? Or even mentions it?

Oh wait. Youre reaching again.

I think it was the "fear" part. He's unaware that they can fear things other than violence. What they really fear is having to play by the same rules as everyone else and losing their iron grip over politicians.

Their demands are pretty clear - every God-fearing American has to be surgically altered to look like Chairman Mao, and of course, Obama-enforced homosexuality, with bonus abortions.

SkinnyHead: adamgreeney: SkinnyHead: It's been clear for quite awhile that unrest and disruptions - and the fear which they alone can put in the hearts and minds of those responsible for widespread ills - are absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform (our fundamentally corrupted electoral process certainly can't and won't accomplish that). These protests at least reflect the possibility, the template, for that to happen.

Sounds like Mr. Greenwald is hoping that this OWS movement will lead to the overthrow of the government by force and violence. Well that comes as no surprise.

What part of that encourages violence? Or even mentions it?

Oh wait. Youre reaching again.

Read it again. He says that the electoral process (i.e., democracy) cannot achieve "meaningful reform," so he wants to force reform outside the democratic process. He says that unrest and disruptions that put fear in the hearts and minds of his enemies are the "absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform." Don't that sound like he's calling for violent revolution?

So the only ways gov't can be changed is elections or violent revolution? Wow, I'd think there would be some middle ground there. Unless you live a simplistic, black or white existence.

SkinnyHead: It's been clear for quite awhile that unrest and disruptions - and the fear which they alone can put in the hearts and minds of those responsible for widespread ills - are absolute prerequisites for meaningful reform (our fundamentally corrupted electoral process certainly can't and won't accomplish that). These protests at least reflect the possibility, the template, for that to happen.


read it again.. it says " The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

sinschild: These are the things we want to change and here is how we propose to do it"

It is a complicated problem and there is no simple solution. Life doesn't work that way.

Of course, many ideas have been proposed, and you're being purposely obtuse and ignorant to them.

sinschild: If they got behind a platform that consisted more of "These are the things we want to change and here is how we propose to do it" and less "I want what you have, because, like man, that's what is fair, right, man?" then I could honestly support them.

I don't agree with either of those strawman statements, but I do find them preferable to "I got mine, so fark you. That's what is fair, right, man?"

Hot Rod Zoidberg: If you're not out on the streets screaming, you are either a sociopath or just stupid.

Or at work.....

Lionel Mandrake: Amen, Glenn. There are legitimate criticisms of OWS - the most important of which I believe will be worked out (like, "what do you propose to be done?") - but the roots of the anger are 110% legitimate.

If you oppose the general position of OWS (the rules are unfair, and are built to make the wealthy and powerful richer and more powerful, you are either a powerful billionaire, a lackey for billionaires, or a sucker who swallows the "they're dirty lazy hippies who shiat all over the place and nothing more" propaganda.

As Greenwald said, none of these is flattering.

Their grievances are understood. Unhappy about corruption, cronyism, a sh*tty economy, and large amounts of debt that people feel compelled to carry for life. What is not articulated is what the demands are of this group of whiners. Notice that term "demand" is conspicuously absent from TFA?

These people could be protesting the crappy weather, but the glaring question of "what do you want done about it and who do you want to do it?" isn't best answered with "the weather sucks and you're an idiot if you can't see that".

quickdraw: What is this obsession with cleanliness? Have none of you ever been camping?

If these folks are willing to forgo creature comforts like indoor plumbing in order to make the world a better place then they are to be commended for their sacrifice. What they are doing is difficult and uncomfortable. Shame on all of you who are obsessing over superficial bullshiat.

Republicans, along with most other authoritarian movements in history, have a weird obsession with "cleanliness" in general. They basically are part of a purity cult that views the "unclean" as something associated with the subhuman and those that don't agree with their ideology. It's bizarre, but it's definitely something that has always been associated with authoritarianism. It's also a part of their rhetoric when they hate on gay people, races/nationalities they don't like, people who enjoy sex, etc, if you look carefully. It's tied up in their twisted minds with the whole "cleanliness is next to godliness" thing. They go after those they hate with accusations of uncleanliness because it makes it easier to view them as the "other", or subhuman somehow.

/You know who else called those he disliked "filthy" and "unclean"?