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2011-10-17 12:26:03 PM  
Are they going to make a statue of Octomom to represent their belief in the sanctity of life? Because nobody worships the fertilized eggs like she does.

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/obligatory
 
2011-10-17 12:26:08 PM  
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The fetus is near!
 
2011-10-17 12:26:41 PM  

ArmanTanzarian: Since every atom of matter which composes all of us is made up of material ejected by celestial processes, it follows then that supernova events and black holes are hereby declared illegal.

\Thou shalt not spill thine event horizon upon the ground.


That is one the single best posts i've ever seen on Fark. Bravo! Were I not a broke-ass, I'd sponsor you for that one.
 
2011-10-17 12:26:57 PM  

EnviroDude: Theaetetus: EnviroDude:
Should a body in the womb be snuffed because mommy says so?

Should mommy be strapped down and forced to undergo gestation, labor, and birth against her will, even if it may kill her?
Come on, let's ask the real question here.

I know a woman that had pretty serious cancer when she was pregnant. If she underwent chemo, it would have terminated the baby. So she waited the 9 months. Baby was born, chemo was given, both are well.

The baby grew up to be a fine young woman studying to be a doctor.

Who am I to say that this is right or wrong.

Again, there is only one clinic in Mississippi. If you want to get one, you are pretty much going out of state to have it anyway.

/the whole "health of the mother" argument - It is overplayed for justification.

//worked with a girl that bragged she had her first abortion at 16.

///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.


And there are many stories of women in that exact situation not having the chemo and dying.

Who is to say whether it's right or wrong? The woman. Period. The end. Only she gets to make major medical decisions about her life. Not you, me, or some redneck fark politician... except that's exactly what said politician is trying to take over.

If you are anti-abortion, simply put, you believe women shouldn't get to make their own medical decisions, which is possibly the least conservative position that exists.
 
2011-10-17 12:27:04 PM  
Meh, they should just do what South Korea does. People are their normal age + gestation.
 
2011-10-17 12:27:43 PM  

EnviroDude: ///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.


Or Hitler.

/owait.
//really, if they're not US citizens until they have a birth certificate, isn't abortion just a Democrat's answer to illegal immigration?
 
2011-10-17 12:27:44 PM  

cryinoutloud: Are they going to make a statue of Octomom to represent their belief in the sanctity of life? Because nobody worships the fertilized eggs like she does.

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/obligatory


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2011-10-17 12:27:48 PM  

Xenomech: If by "soul enters a body" you mean "a collection of cells becomes a 'person'", that's probably about 18 months after birth (on average) when the offspring develops self awareness. The child isn't really a 'person' before that point.

Does this mean that killing a baby 30 days after birth is right? You could do it for the (mental) health of the mother.

Then lets legalize post-partem abortions for the health of the mother.

GnomePaladin: EnviroDude: Who am I to say that this is right or wrong.

You should consider applying this statement to more situations.


I am probably one of the most liberal people here on Fark (except for economic policies).

I will probably vote for the initiative. If the left really wants to make abortion legal, they should propose an amendment to the US Constitution.

They have not.
 
2011-10-17 12:29:40 PM  

gilgigamesh: AcneVulgaris: Can a fetus die? Then it's alive.

Abortion and the death penalty are murder.

Sometimes murder is the least shiatty of the options.

Really? Because when you accidentally drive over a bunch of school kids it isn't murder. It's manslaughter.

Why do you hate schoolkids?


because of their damn school buses slowing up traffic in the morning, not staying off my lawn, etc

/not rly
 
2011-10-17 12:29:57 PM  

EnviroDude: Xenomech: If by "soul enters a body" you mean "a collection of cells becomes a 'person'", that's probably about 18 months after birth (on average) when the offspring develops self awareness. The child isn't really a 'person' before that point. Does this mean that killing a baby 30 days after birth is right? You could do it for the (mental) health of the mother.

Then lets legalize post-partem abortions for the health of the mother.GnomePaladin: EnviroDude: Who am I to say that this is right or wrong.

You should consider applying this statement to more situations.

I am probably one of the most liberal people here on Fark (except for economic policies).

I will probably vote for the initiative. If the left really wants to make abortion legal, they should propose an amendment to the US Constitution.

They have not.


Its funny, becuase these two statements do not match up at all. AT ALL.
 
2011-10-17 12:30:13 PM  

EnviroDude: If the left really wants to make abortion legal,



That's backwards.

If the right wants to make abortion illegal they need to overturn Roe v Wade.

It isn't the left that needs a Constitutional amendment...
 
2011-10-17 12:31:17 PM  
This should end all the arguments.

This is where life begins, Link (new window)
 
2011-10-17 12:31:32 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: EnviroDude: Should a body in the womb be snuffed because mommy says so?

Should people have major, life-changing decisions taken away from them just because YOU might find the idea of abortion "icky?"


Most people make those life changing decisions after the roll in the hay. if they made the decision before, they might do a little less life changing, to another life they actively began.

/Make your choice before you get in the sack.
 
2011-10-17 12:32:43 PM  
I actually think they'd get a lot more traction by making it a case of property rights instead of human rights. It seems to me that the fetus is composed of 50% of the husband's DNA giving him some say in the matter.

Let's say you and I buy a car together 50-50. One day you are in possession of that car and decide you no longer want it and decide to light it on fire, I would be due some restitution.
 
2011-10-17 12:32:52 PM  
Look, I'm a fairly religious person and I don't feel that having an abortion would be a right choice for me, but I don't think we can legislate against it. This initiative that Mississippi is putting out is absolutely ridiculous. I personally don't believe "life" (soul, etc) begins at conception and it certainly can't be proven scientifically that it does. When will people realize that putting something like this into law doesn't "save" anyone, but instead further infringes upon our rights? As someone mentioned above, what about IVF, birth control pills, IUDs, etc? How would this ridiculous initiative effect those things?
 
2011-10-17 12:33:38 PM  
Well, wouldn't that mean that if a Mexican couple conceives a baby in Mississippi, that fetus would be a US citizen?
 
2011-10-17 12:33:47 PM  

Theaetetus: AcneVulgaris: So you're murdering a tumor. It was alive, and you cut it out and killed it.

That's not what it means to murder something.

Weasel words just make you look dishonest.

Intentionally misusing emotionally-charged words is dishonest.


How you feel about the word doesn't change what it means, but if you can't bear it, "kill" works too.

If by your actions, something that was alive is now dead, you've killed it. You can prove anything you want about whether a human embryo is a human being, but it doesn't change that simple fact.

I'm not against killing human beings of any size or shape in appropriate situations, but if you're gonna do it, call it what it is.
 
2011-10-17 12:34:11 PM  

EnviroDude: Xenomech: If by "soul enters a body" you mean "a collection of cells becomes a 'person'", that's probably about 18 months after birth (on average) when the offspring develops self awareness. The child isn't really a 'person' before that point. Does this mean that killing a baby 30 days after birth is right? You could do it for the (mental) health of the mother.

Then lets legalize post-partem abortions for the health of the mother.GnomePaladin: EnviroDude: Who am I to say that this is right or wrong.

You should consider applying this statement to more situations.

I am probably one of the most liberal people here on Fark (except for economic policies).

I will probably vote for the initiative. If the left really wants to make abortion legal, they should propose an amendment to the US Constitution.

They have not.


That's because it's already in the Constitution. Why propose an additional amendment?
That'd be like saying that the right doesn't really want assault rifles, because if they really did, they would propose an amendment to the Constitution. It's idiotic.
 
2011-10-17 12:34:44 PM  

barefoot in the head: The My Little Pony Killer: EnviroDude: Should a body in the womb be snuffed because mommy says so?

Should people have major, life-changing decisions taken away from them just because YOU might find the idea of abortion "icky?"

Most people make those life changing decisions after the roll in the hay. if they made the decision before, they might do a little less life changing, to another life they actively began.

/Make your choice before you get in the sack.


I'm sure the teenager who was sexually abused by her father, or the rape victim who became pregnant, will appreciate your 'one size fits all' attitude towards abortion. This law is all about controlling women and nothing else.
 
2011-10-17 12:34:57 PM  

EnviroDude: ///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.


Or Hitler's.

/I can haz Godwin?
 
2011-10-17 12:34:57 PM  

pxlboy: ArmanTanzarian: Since every atom of matter which composes all of us is made up of material ejected by celestial processes, it follows then that supernova events and black holes are hereby declared illegal.

\Thou shalt not spill thine event horizon upon the ground.

That is one the single best posts i've ever seen on Fark. Bravo! Were I not a broke-ass, I'd sponsor you for that one.


Thanks... I'll be here all week decade.
 
2011-10-17 12:36:12 PM  

AcneVulgaris: Theaetetus: AcneVulgaris: So you're murdering a tumor. It was alive, and you cut it out and killed it.

That's not what it means to murder something.

Weasel words just make you look dishonest.

Intentionally misusing emotionally-charged words is dishonest.

How you feel about the word doesn't change what it means,


You're right. And excising a tumor is not "murder". How you feel about the word doesn't change what it means. Murder is an unlawful killing. Last I checked, no state had a law saying you couldn't remove a tumor.

If by your actions, something that was alive is now dead, you've killed it. You can prove anything you want about whether a human embryo is a human being, but it doesn't change that simple fact.

I'm not against killing human beings of any size or shape in appropriate situations, but if you're gonna do it, call it what it is.


As you note, we're not talking about killing human beings. So that you're fine with killing human beings in certain situations is irrelevant.
 
2011-10-17 12:36:58 PM  
What, are my sperm not alive?!?!
 
2011-10-17 12:37:32 PM  
When I was in high school in MS, I received a letter from some state department along with my out-of-state college applications/letters. I wish I had the letter so that I could copy it, but I distinctly remember the line, "Mississippi is suffering from "brain drain" meaning that our best and brightest students leave the state and are not coming back."
The letter continued to implore that when I finished my education outside of Mississippi, that I consider returning.

Whenever I read about crap like this, I am glad that I did not return. That state is too full of stupid for anyone with a brain or an education to handle.

I am also sure that I would have been lynched by now for being an educated, physically fit, unmarried, minority adult female who does not want children or believe in god.
 
2011-10-17 12:39:11 PM  

JokerMattly: EnviroDude: ///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.

Or Hitler.


dammit
 
2011-10-17 12:39:46 PM  

PsiChi: True human life begins when there is a soul in the body. That may happen before birth, or it can actually happen after the birth of the baby. Some cases of crib death occur because no soul has gone into that body.

The majority of souls enter the baby body at around three months before birth.

/Correspondingly, some cases of Alzheimer's occur because the soul has begun to make its transition to the other side.


I just sold you soul. Remember Alf? Well he's back, in POG form!
 
2011-10-17 12:41:14 PM  

EnviroDude: If the left really wants to make abortion legal, they should propose an amendment to the US Constitution.

They have not.


the fark?
 
2011-10-17 12:41:50 PM  
Also, as a side thought, would we have to consider the removal of parasites as animal abuse? If a parasite-like fetus gets all these rights in their eyes, what about the tapeworms and other critters that also reside in one's body?

Would we have to count them as pets? Take them to the vet for care?
 
2011-10-17 12:41:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: A great way to highlight the absurdity of this idea is to have women head down to vital records en masse every time their period is late to apply for a birth certificate, and then again when they finally get their period to apply for a death certificate.


And file a missing person report with the police every time they have sex and don't get pregnant.
 
2011-10-17 12:43:35 PM  
the funny part in all of this is that without Science, these retards wouldn't even have known about sperm, eggs, or conception...

If it were up to these retards, science would be throttled if not outright banned.

So nice of them to use science to further their own agenda, while at the same time denouncing it.


FYI: eggs can get fertilized and never attach to the wall of the womb, that egg ends up on a pair of panties or the end of a tampon, it doesn't develop into a child and never will. A fertilized egg is not a baby... yet

There's a lot of conditions for an actual baby to develop, and sperm meets egg is not it

sperm meets a lot of things in the female body, doesn't make it life either. Sperm penetrates the uvula, doesn't mean there's a baby growing in the woman's throat...

/Science, how does it work?
//They don't know, that's why it's EVIL
 
2011-10-17 12:44:36 PM  
And corporate personhood begins at the moment someone starts to think of forming a corporation, right?
 
2011-10-17 12:44:39 PM  
I'd be happy if they just disallowed Corporations from having personhood status.

/unlike our bought and paid for SCOTUS
 
2011-10-17 12:45:11 PM  
What about twins?

Two souls in one or one soul for two?

What happens to the other soul?
 
2011-10-17 12:45:22 PM  

EnviroDude: Theaetetus: EnviroDude:
Should a body in the womb be snuffed because mommy says so?

...///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.

...

Funny, I've heard some make a similar argument but by using names like "Hitler" or "Charlie Manson," etc.
 
2011-10-17 12:45:49 PM  
Life begins at conception, but the soul enters the body with the first breath. A fetus is an empty vessel, kill it like you would a fish or a bird because like them, it has no soul.
 
2011-10-17 12:46:56 PM  
Good to know Mississippi has solved all its other problems and now has nothing better to do.

I fully expect Oklahoma and a few other states run by the developmentally disabled to quickly follow suit.
 
2011-10-17 12:46:56 PM  

Theaetetus: AcneVulgaris: Theaetetus: AcneVulgaris: So you're murdering a tumor. It was alive, and you cut it out and killed it.

That's not what it means to murder something.

Weasel words just make you look dishonest.

Intentionally misusing emotionally-charged words is dishonest.

How you feel about the word doesn't change what it means,

You're right. And excising a tumor is not "murder". How you feel about the word doesn't change what it means. Murder is an unlawful killing. Last I checked, no state had a law saying you couldn't remove a tumor.

If by your actions, something that was alive is now dead, you've killed it. You can prove anything you want about whether a human embryo is a human being, but it doesn't change that simple fact.

I'm not against killing human beings of any size or shape in appropriate situations, but if you're gonna do it, call it what it is.

As you note, we're not talking about killing human beings. So that you're fine with killing human beings in certain situations is irrelevant.


And you're fine with killing human embryos, so long as you get to call it something else.
 
2011-10-17 12:47:06 PM  

PsiChi: That may happen before birth, or it can actually happen after the birth of the baby.


Nonsense the old testament says that the soul enters the body with the first breath.
 
2011-10-17 12:47:34 PM  

Snaptastic: for being an educated, physically fit, unmarried, minority adult female who does not want children or believe in god.


How YOU doin'?
 
2011-10-17 12:48:11 PM  

jvl: Will identical twins have to share a single vote in elections?



What is the offical life-begins-at-conception stance on identical twins?

Did God put two souls in the one cell at the beginning?
Did he add an extra soul after the split?
If not, is one twin a soulless monster?

Also, If he put in two souls at once because he knew it would become twins, wouldn't it therefore be logical to assume that he put in no souls in the fetus he knew would be aborted?
 
2011-10-17 12:48:16 PM  
whoa, talk about late to the party.

/apologies
 
2011-10-17 12:48:21 PM  

EnviroDude: Xenomech: If by "soul enters a body" you mean "a collection of cells becomes a 'person'", that's probably about 18 months after birth (on average) when the offspring develops self awareness. The child isn't really a 'person' before that point. Does this mean that killing a baby 30 days after birth is right? You could do it for the (mental) health of the mother.

Then lets legalize post-partem abortions for the health of the mother.GnomePaladin: EnviroDude: Who am I to say that this is right or wrong.

You should consider applying this statement to more situations.

I am probably one of the most liberal people here on Fark (except for economic policies).

I will probably vote for the initiative. If the left really wants to make abortion legal, they should propose an amendment to the US Constitution.

They have not.


Wow. When I get to know some people, I sure wish abortions were legal. Oh wait... THEY ARE!
 
2011-10-17 12:48:29 PM  
Life, and death begins at taxation.
 
2011-10-17 12:48:35 PM  
pro-BIRTH movement can expect THIS -

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2011-10-17 12:48:49 PM  

historycat: Every Republican knows that life begins with incorporation.


+1 New Yorker-like.
 
2011-10-17 12:49:58 PM  

CeroX: the funny part in all of this is that without Science, these retards wouldn't even have known about sperm, eggs, or conception...

If it were up to these retards, science would be throttled if not outright banned.

So nice of them to use science to further their own agenda, while at the same time denouncing it.


FYI: eggs can get fertilized and never attach to the wall of the womb, that egg ends up on a pair of panties or the end of a tampon, it doesn't develop into a child and never will. A fertilized egg is not a baby... yet

There's a lot of conditions for an actual baby to develop, and sperm meets egg is not it

sperm meets a lot of things in the female body, doesn't make it life either. Sperm penetrates the uvula, doesn't mean there's a baby growing in the woman's throat...

/Science, how does it work?
//They don't know, that's why it's EVIL


This cannot be repeated enough!!
 
2011-10-17 12:50:21 PM  

theknuckler_33: JokerMattly: EnviroDude: ///wonders what would have happened if Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed him.

Or Hitler.

dammit


If Steve Jobs mommy had snuffed Hitler, she'd have one hell of a Wikipedia entry.
 
2011-10-17 12:51:52 PM  
Somehow this thread is sadly amusing.

One side derping about the sanctity of human life, another about rights, a third about if these circumstances happen then this should/n't be legal... Ad nauseum.

How about this... We leave it alone and recognize that with rights come responsibilities, with citizenship comes the responsibility to recognize that others may not subscribe to what you sanctify, with varying circumstances come varying responsibilities from various parties...but always under any circumstances can we say that if it isn't your zygotes involved, you need to put a cork in the derp.
 
2011-10-17 12:52:07 PM  

Snaptastic: When I was in high school in MS, I received a letter from some state department along with my out-of-state college applications/letters. I wish I had the letter so that I could copy it, but I distinctly remember the line, "Mississippi is suffering from "brain drain" meaning that our best and brightest students leave the state and are not coming back."
The letter continued to implore that when I finished my education outside of Mississippi, that I consider returning.

Whenever I read about crap like this, I am glad that I did not return. That state is too full of stupid for anyone with a brain or an education to handle.

I am also sure that I would have been lynched by now for being an educated, physically fit, unmarried, minority adult female who does not want children or believe in god.


So you are more of a run from problems instead of helping kind of person?
 
2011-10-17 12:53:36 PM  
Yup, I'm stuck living here for the next 5 years, and we had planned to stay long term, but we will be getting the fark out if this thing passes. I am revolted by this law.
 
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