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2011-10-17 10:51:47 AM
People still watch CNN?
 
2011-10-17 11:11:36 AM
the myth of the liberal media is the number-one factor in moving our country so far to the right in the last twenty years. today's democrats are yesterday's republicans. today's republicans are yesterday's john birchers. and the reason the fringe right is now mainstream is because the media presents them as such.

twenty years ago, if you had said the president's birth certificate was fake and that he was an ineligible usurper, you wouldn't have been given the time of day by the media. today, you're given prime airtime, and your views aren't debunked - they're just presented as "balance." hell, even NPR gives time to utter loons who claim obama is a socialist - something that is patently and demonstrably false. but they present it anyway lest they be tarred with the "liberal" brush.

virtually every serious issue that this country is facing today is due to the rise of the far right. and its rise could not have happened without the complicity of the so-called mainstream media.
 
2011-10-17 11:13:43 AM
"Lamestream mainstream media"?

Its almost like you had this awesome burn, but then you went and farked it up.
 
2011-10-17 11:16:07 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: "Lamestream mainstream media"?

Its almost like you had this awesome burn, but then you went and farked it up.


i54.tinypic.com
 
2011-10-17 11:28:45 AM
FlashHarry: and its rise could not have happened without the complicity of the so-called mainstream media.

Calling it "complicity" is being polite. Hell, they're hiring these nutjobs as political analysts and treating them as if they're experts.
 
2011-10-17 11:56:29 AM
It's good that we get to hear both sides of an argument: The right, and the far right.
 
2011-10-17 11:57:25 AM
You could just stop watching cable news. It's not so hard.
 
2011-10-17 11:58:49 AM
Too bad someone doesnt try to start a radio station that only aired left leaning programs. They could name it something like Air America.

/I bet it would be a hit.
 
2011-10-17 11:59:23 AM
make me some tea: People still watch CNN?

Guess that's why they're taking a turn to the right... It's where all the cable news ratings are.
 
2011-10-17 12:00:08 PM
So they are trying to be watched?

If you care who is on CNN or Fox or MSNBC for more than a passing fancy, you ,may be be a wee bit too involved.
 
2011-10-17 12:00:20 PM
make me some tea: FlashHarry: and its rise could not have happened without the complicity of the so-called mainstream media.

Calling it "complicity" is being polite. Hell, they're hiring these nutjobs as political analysts and treating them as if they're experts.


Heck, MSNBC has Bryan Fischer on their payroll even though he's part of a recognized hate group. They might as well just give David Duke a contract while they're at it.

And they're the "liberal" network.
 
2011-10-17 12:00:48 PM
Even NPR presents false balance. It's all Fox lite to one degree or another.
 
2011-10-17 12:01:38 PM
jayg22: Too bad someone doesnt try to start a radio station that only aired left leaning programs. They could name it something like Air America.

/I bet it would be a hit.


So if there is no money in liberal media, why does a liberal media conspiracy make any farking sense to people?
 
2011-10-17 12:01:51 PM
Somebody needs to keep us infromed.
 
2011-10-17 12:03:09 PM
soon to be another Fox News.

I hate to break it to you -- but they have been there since at least 1998. Back then they were considered outrageously biased to the left because they ran Monica/Penis news stories only 23 hours a day, unlike the 24 hours a day that was expected.
 
2011-10-17 12:04:09 PM
rynthetyn: Heck, MSNBC has Bryan Fischer on their payroll even though he's part of a recognized hate group. They might as well just give David Duke a contract while they're at it.

And they're the "liberal" network.


And you're having trouble reconciling that?
 
2011-10-17 12:04:23 PM
make me some tea: People still watch CNN TV?
 
2011-10-17 12:04:44 PM
This is not news. CNN has been moving toward another Faux News for a while, not so much in overt political slant as in their appeal to gap-toothed morons otherwise known as The Base. Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, they're the news channel equivalent of Jerry Springer. CNN has pursued that audience for a long time.

But they're going to have to change up their newscasters because the ones they have now are so imbecilic that it's embarrassing. I mean on the level of being able to speak entire sentences, not rely on exaggerated hand gestures, not use phrases such as, "So I'm like..." and so on.
 
2011-10-17 12:05:50 PM
I was forced to watch a lot of CNN this last weekend while airport-hopping. They push the "EVERYTHING IS EQUAL THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG" mantra in their political coverage so aggressively I'm surprised they have a single viewer.

Except for OWS, of course. They either demonize it or pretend it doesn't exist.
 
2011-10-17 12:06:49 PM
It woukd be nice to have a news media outlet that provides unbiased coverage. Americans are too stupid and balkanized to accept one, though. The only thing people want to hear is what reinforces their own narrative.
 
2011-10-17 12:07:02 PM
HotWingConspiracy: So if there is no money in liberal media, why does a liberal media conspiracy make any farking sense to people?

Because people on the main networks seem to be liberal leaning (NBC, CBS, ABC). You cant deny that durring the 2008 election there was some out and out personality worship on the major networks for Obama.
 
2011-10-17 12:08:21 PM
HotWingConspiracy: You could just stop watching cable news. It's not so hard.

The problem is that other people keep watching.
 
2011-10-17 12:09:04 PM
jayg22: HotWingConspiracy: So if there is no money in liberal media, why does a liberal media conspiracy make any farking sense to people?

Because people on the main networks seem to be liberal leaning (NBC, CBS, ABC).
You cant deny that durring the 2008 election there was some out and out personality worship on the major networks for Obama.


I can say the same thing about Bush or any other president in this era of modern media.
 
2011-10-17 12:09:06 PM
make me some tea: People still watch CNN?

And my job is already been done. Bye.
 
2011-10-17 12:11:33 PM
Hasn't CNN been the "all-style, no substance" network for the last fifteen years (since Lewinsky)?

If you disagree, I have two words: Wolf farking Blitzer. The man is basically iJournalist - feed him the lines, and he delivers them with "gravitas".

Anderson Cooper was a better reporter, and had some human traits.

// and WTF did the hologram go?
// I thought that was the Future of TVTM
 
2011-10-17 12:11:35 PM
Cyclometh: It woukd be nice to have a news media outlet that provides unbiased coverage. Americans are too stupid and balkanized to accept one, though. The only thing people want to hear is what reinforces their own narrative.

Being unbiased *is* the problem. In order to be objective you have to be biased toward the party telling the farking truth, not present "both sides" as having equal merit.
 
2011-10-17 12:12:43 PM
At HLN Jautz successed in raising both ratings and revenue by turning the channel into a trashy TV tabloid reliant on celebrity gossip and characters like Nancy Grace and Glenn Beck (yes, Jautz gave Beck his first job on television)

Successed, eh?
 
2011-10-17 12:12:43 PM
HotWingConspiracy: So if there is no money in liberal media, why does a liberal media conspiracy make any farking sense to people?

If you can't find anyone to argue with you, you build strawmen. And if one out of 100 strawmen spontaneously comes to life, you repeat that message and replay that clip one thousand times so it seems like everyone is out to get you. Because it's all you see. Your own strawmen.
 
2011-10-17 12:12:50 PM
shpritz: The problem is that other people keep watching.

Such is the nature of the Marketplace of Ideas. The alternative "solutions" are much worse.
 
2011-10-17 12:14:50 PM
Wait... CNN actually brought Glenn Beck back?

The guy who was too derpy for Fox News?

...

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2011-10-17 12:15:14 PM
During no week in the five months studied was coverage of Mr. Obama more than 10 percent positive. On average, it was judged to be about 57 percent neutral and about 34 percent negative. "These numbers are very stark for Obama," said Tom Rosenstiel, the director of the project. Even the week in early May that Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda, was killed, the positive sentiments were far outnumbered by negative ones. "That was striking," he said.

Link (new window)
 
2011-10-17 12:15:46 PM
i.imgur.com

They aren't there to report the news, the truth, or the facts. They are there to keep you in your seats for the advertisers.
 
2011-10-17 12:17:18 PM
Only old people watch cable news. Of course it has to go right.
 
2011-10-17 12:18:26 PM
HeartBurnKid: Wait... CNN actually brought Glenn Beck back?

The guy who was too derpy for Fox News?


That's what I got out of it, too. I was hoping I read it wrong.
 
2011-10-17 12:20:00 PM
Doesn't matter much to me since the last time i watched CNN was probably 15 years ago.

It would be different if this was some big loss but it's not.
 
2011-10-17 12:21:37 PM
GhostFish: They aren't there to report the news, the truth, or the facts. They are there to keep you in your seats for the advertisers.

Infotainment at its worst. You use "the news" as a model for making an entertainment channel. There's a reason the anchors of the 1970s and 80s were old white guys and nowadays they are bubbly blonde bimbos. Nobody wants serious, they want exciting and sensational.
 
2011-10-17 12:23:05 PM
Rapmaster2000: Only old people watch cable news. Of course it has to go right.

Not sure about that but one things for sure.

Not many people of any stripe watch cable news. It's not even a small pond for some big fish to rule over.

It's a small puddle.
 
2011-10-17 12:23:18 PM
HeartBurnKid: Wait... CNN actually brought Glenn Beck back?

The guy who was too derpy for Fox News?

...

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


Nah, they had him first.
 
2011-10-17 12:26:25 PM
In a stunning rejection of network news and nightly news anchors, cable news, driven by the Fox News Channel and mouthy Bill O'Reilly, is now the top most trusted source-by a mile.

In a new poll from Boston's Suffolk University, more than a quarter of the nation says Fox is tops when it comes to who they trust the most and O'Reilly is the most believable.

"This poll shows two things: first, the network news have completely lost their brand. Second, the only network with any intensity is Fox News," says Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center. "Bottom line: the more they attack Fox, the stronger it is getting," he adds.

Link (new window)
 
2011-10-17 12:26:52 PM
i watch cnn (with a grain of salt, mind you) and have been noticing that it has become very right-wing lately. because im always telling myself, we need more channels like fox news obviously. is this all part of the libural conspiracy?
 
2011-10-17 12:27:17 PM
AntiNerd: soon to be another Fox News.

I hate to break it to you -- but they have been there since at least 1998. Back then they were considered outrageously biased to the left because they ran Monica/Penis news stories only 23 hours a day, unlike the 24 hours a day that was expected.


Thought I was gonna be the first to say it, but it's correct that CNN has been tabloid-driven since the Lewinsky circus.
 
2011-10-17 12:30:24 PM
Damn that liberal media! Always demanding tax hikes and greater regulation on behalf of owners who benefit greatly from tax cuts and deregulation! Damn them all to hell!
 
2011-10-17 12:30:33 PM
make me some tea: People still watch CNN?

Thread over as it stared
 
2011-10-17 12:31:50 PM
rynthetyn: make me some tea: FlashHarry: and its rise could not have happened without the complicity of the so-called mainstream media.

Calling it "complicity" is being polite. Hell, they're hiring these nutjobs as political analysts and treating them as if they're experts.

Heck, MSNBC has Bryan Fischer on their payroll even though he's part of a recognized hate group. They might as well just give David Duke a contract while they're at it.

And they're the "liberal" network.


That's pretty much why I can't stomach any network news anymore.
 
2011-10-17 12:32:39 PM
smitty04, that's very depressing and all, but they don't compare the number of people getting their news from TV to the number reading the internet.

Or even those who get their news (as I and most of the people I know) from multiple news stations (WTOP is a CBS affiliate, WCSP is public, Fark is an aggregator, TDS is Viacom/CBS...).

I don't trust any one of those more than another (though I trust certain sources on Fark more than I trust PajamasMedia, for example).

Like science, if you only get information from a single source, if you only examine one circumstance, you're not going to get good results.
 
2011-10-17 12:34:57 PM
rynthetyn: make me some tea: FlashHarry: and its rise could not have happened without the complicity of the so-called mainstream media.

Calling it "complicity" is being polite. Hell, they're hiring these nutjobs as political analysts and treating them as if they're experts.

Heck, MSNBC has Bryan Fischer on their payroll even though he's part of a recognized hate group. They might as well just give David Duke a contract while they're at it.

And they're the "liberal" network.


They also give Pat Buchanan airtime on a regular basis.
 
2011-10-17 12:40:35 PM
smitty04: In a stunning rejection of network news and nightly news anchors, cable news, driven by the Fox News Channel and mouthy Bill O'Reilly, is now the top most trusted source-by a mile.

In a new poll from Boston's Suffolk University, more than a quarter of the nation says Fox is tops when it comes to who they trust the most and O'Reilly is the most believable.

"This poll shows two things: first, the network news have completely lost their brand. Second, the only network with any intensity is Fox News," says Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center. "Bottom line: the more they attack Fox, the stronger it is getting," he adds.

Link (new window)


He's more trusted because he says whatever his viewers want to hear.

/Simple as that.
 
2011-10-17 12:41:49 PM
Desquamation: make me some tea: People still watch CNN?

Guess that's why they're taking a turn to the right... It's where all the cable news ratings are.


Yeah but the number of folks who actually watch cable news, even "the big three" (so to speak), is surprisingly small.

The ratings fight for cable news viewers is a relative tempest in a teacup.
 
2011-10-17 12:42:24 PM
Dr Dreidel: smitty04, that's very depressing and all, but they don't compare the number of people getting their news from TV to the number reading the internet.

Or even those who get their news (as I and most of the people I know) from multiple news stations (WTOP is a CBS affiliate, WCSP is public, Fark is an aggregator, TDS is Viacom/CBS...).

I don't trust any one of those more than another (though I trust certain sources on Fark more than I trust PajamasMedia, for example).

Like science, if you only get information from a single source, if you only examine one circumstance, you're not going to get good results.


I was gonna say, I think that those results reflect a stampede to online sources for news by the under-65 demographic. With liveblogs and streaming video from local and international sources easily available, it's not even necessary to tune in to any particular channel for breaking events. I used to always switch on CNN whenever something big happened, now I can't remember the last time I did that.

I spend one hour a day maximum watching news on TV, and that's usually PBS Newshour. I haven't watched any network or cable news consistently since Peter Jennings resigned from cancer. The only reason I even watch Newshour is to shore up the major headlines in case I'd missed anything looking around online.
 
2011-10-17 12:43:13 PM
I was watching PBS's Frontline the other day, it was the show about medical pot in California. The reporter was interviewing the head of the DEA about arresting growers and sellers who were operating within state law. The question of subverting democracy by arresting people who were operating under the laws the people of their state approved never came up.
 
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