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2011-10-17 04:23:31 AM
So I'm not getting it.

I mean, it's a sucky article to the point where it looks like the author wrote his outline, then said "Fark it, it's 4 AM. Let's turn in the outline and see if anyone notices.", but I'm not seeing the 'E' thing.
 
2011-10-17 04:36:44 AM
Try learning a little bit about baseball before going "hurr durr I dun get it" since the headline is incredibly easy to figure out.

Nine errors committed in the series, seven of which were in the last two games. Wow, the Brewers sucked.
 
2011-10-17 04:41:44 AM
meyerkev: So I'm not getting it.

I mean, it's a sucky article to the point where it looks like the author wrote his outline, then said "Fark it, it's 4 AM. Let's turn in the outline and see if anyone notices.", but I'm not seeing the 'E' thing.


E means "error" in baseball. The Brewers committed a bunch of them. Don't complain about the article headline if you don't know anything about baseball. I do agree with you though, the article chosen for this could be at least professionally formatted.
 
2011-10-17 05:09:11 AM
The Brewers felt the pressure of their starting pitching essentially giving out on them. When you have a "we need this right now" onus hanging over your head, the pressure sometimes causes mistakes. The Brewers weren't a great defensive team to being with and the pressure got to them.

If you think a team that garnered ninety-six wins, the best regular-season record in franchise history and a division title winner, as well as the second-best record in the National League, "sucks," then you are pretty short-sighted, think baseball "sucks" or have a pretty broad definition of "sucks" (how bad are the 22 teams that didn't make the playoffs, then?)

From the perspective of a guy who was at each of the Miller Park games, it was the most fun season I've been able to comprehend (I was born the day they fired Buck Rodgers and hired Harvey Kuenn in '82) and, despite the disappointing finish, still think it was a darn good team and a darn fun year.

/Hmm ... Nelson Cruz & Mike Maddux vs. Tony La Russa's d-baggish way of treating the Brewers, their fans' and the media in general? Go Rangers.
 
2011-10-17 05:27:54 AM
Pfighting Polish: Go Rangers.

In 7.

I would've said 5 but LaRussa has a way of doing a lot better with his "lesser" playoff teams ('06) than with the ones that were supposed to blow everybody away ('83, '88, '90, '04...probably missing a couple).
 
2011-10-17 06:48:47 AM
I agree with Pfighting Polish - congrats to the Brewers on a great season.

F the Cardinals. Hope they lose it in 4.
 
2011-10-17 07:49:17 AM
Pfighting Polish: The Brewers felt the pressure of their starting pitching essentially giving out on them. When you have a "we need this right now" onus hanging over your head, the pressure sometimes causes mistakes. The Brewers weren't a great defensive team to being with and the pressure got to them.

If you think a team that garnered ninety-six wins, the best regular-season record in franchise history and a division title winner, as well as the second-best record in the National League, "sucks," then you are pretty short-sighted, think baseball "sucks" or have a pretty broad definition of "sucks" (how bad are the 22 teams that didn't make the playoffs, then?)

From the perspective of a guy who was at each of the Miller Park games, it was the most fun season I've been able to comprehend (I was born the day they fired Buck Rodgers and hired Harvey Kuenn in '82) and, despite the disappointing finish, still think it was a darn good team and a darn fun year.

/Hmm ... Nelson Cruz & Mike Maddux vs. Tony La Russa's d-baggish way of treating the Brewers, their fans' and the media in general? Go Rangers.


This.

Brewer fan here. Classic case of a team that cracked under pressure. But it couldn't come against a hotter team and a solid organization with great fans.

Kudos to the Cards and good luck in the Series!
 
2011-10-17 07:49:52 AM
Sigh.

Overfiend: I agree with Pfighting Polish - congrats to the Brewers on a great season.

F the Cardinals. Hope they lose it in 4.


This.
 
2011-10-17 08:11:17 AM
The Cardinals have been red hot all postseason, and good for them. Sometimes that's all it takes, to get hot when the time is right.

But, the Brewers lost this series just as much the Cardinals won it. The massive amount of errors in games 5 and 6 was just unacceptable, and not fit of a team. A few of us Brewers fans figured it out that if it wasn't for the 3 E's that Greinke had to deal with in game 5, he could have legitimately had a 7 inning, 2 run performance that night and we could potentially be having game 7 today.

I'm not going to sit here and go through anymore "what if?" situations, though. Thank you, Brewers organization, on making an awesome run this year. We'll be hanging that new sign in left field with pride next year. Congrats to the Cardinals which, besides for my extreme hatred for the way that LaRussa has treated the Brewers as others have mentioned, I think are well-run organization with a great fan base.

/you know how when one of your friends gets an absolute wench of a girlfriend and then you don't want to hang out with him anymore?
//that's kind of how I feel about LaRussa at this point
///as a division rival, you know I can't cheer for you, but I still have respect
 
2011-10-17 08:15:43 AM
As a Reds fan who hates Tony Larusa and doesn't want the Cardinals to ever have nice things, I was rooting for the Brewers. So now, go Rangers in 4!
 
2011-10-17 08:22:10 AM
I am a longtime Cardinal fan, and though I have never been an admirer of LaRussa, he does have his moments. His use of the pitching staff to cover the loss of Wainwright was remarkable. The team also seemed to get a lift from the following sentiments before the playoffs began, and the author does some credit for helping this year's team remain focused.

"Where still n 1st and I hope those crying birds injoy watching tha Crew in tha Playoffs!!! Aaaaahhhhh!!! ... Alberta couldn't see Plush if she had her gloves on!!! Wat was she thinking running afta Plush!!! She never been n tha ring!!! ... Anywayz!!! On our way back 2 tha Brew City 2 welcome them Phillys!!! Itz gonna be an electric series ... Ray Charles to the haters! Ahhhhhhh" - Nyjer Morgan via twitter
 
2011-10-17 08:25:14 AM
Fark the Cardinals.
 
2011-10-17 08:32:30 AM
Wow, lots of butthurt in this thread. Ah well.
 
2011-10-17 08:37:22 AM
meyerkev: So I'm not getting it.

I mean, it's a sucky article to the point where it looks like the author wrote his outline, then said "Fark it, it's 4 AM. Let's turn in the outline and see if anyone notices.", but I'm not seeing the 'E' thing.


E1
 
2011-10-17 08:37:37 AM
Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.
 
2011-10-17 08:46:01 AM
why do the brewers fans cry about larussa? what he done to yalls?
 
2011-10-17 08:50:28 AM
proteus_b: why do the brewers fans cry about larussa? what he done to yalls?

He managed a team that beat them in six for starters.
 
2011-10-17 09:15:25 AM
presscoverage.us

Haters gonna hate.
 
2011-10-17 09:17:28 AM
Pfighting Polish: Go Rangers.

images4.fanpop.com
 
2011-10-17 09:28:43 AM
Rangers in 6, Dallas wins the Superbowl, Perry wins the Presidency. The Year of Texas, Losahs!
 
2011-10-17 09:29:33 AM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.

He called Brewer fans idiots, he intentionally beans players then denies it, he whines about the lighted banner and says the Brewers cheated at home, he whines about the umpiring... want me to keep going?

Oh and his dye job is pathetic.
 
2011-10-17 09:30:41 AM
machoprogrammer: Spanky_McFarksalot: Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.

He called Brewer fans idiots, he intentionally beans players then denies it, he whines about the lighted banner and says the Brewers cheated at home, he whines about the umpiring... want me to keep going?

Oh and his dye job is pathetic.


Sorry, my post should've replied to this:

proteus_b: why do the brewers fans cry about larussa? what he done to yalls?
 
2011-10-17 09:37:07 AM
Lost Thought 00: Perry wins the Presidency.

images.wikia.com

That would be awesome!
 
2011-10-17 09:59:50 AM
CmndrFish:
But, the Brewers lost this series just as much the Cardinals won it. The massive amount of errors in games 5 and 6 was just unacceptable, and not fit of a team. A few of us Brewers fans figured it out that if it wasn't for the 3 E's that Greinke had to deal with in game 5, he could have legitimately had a 7 inning, 2 run performance that night and we could potentially be having game 7 today.


It took you to game 5 of the second round of the playoffs to realize that the Brewers defense was absolutely horrible and that it was making your SP look bad? Most of baseball knew that going into the season.

The Brewers were a horrendous defensive team. Morgan is probably the only + defender they have. Their SS/2B combo is horrible. Braun is a train wreck with the glove. Fielder... ok, I actually think Fielder's defense is underrated, but he plays 1B so it doesn't really matter.

I slightly admire the theory of "F defense, we'll go all in with offense and pitching" - play to your strengths and all that - but they paid the price for it this series.
 
2011-10-17 10:10:23 AM
proteus_b: why do the brewers fans cry about larussa? what he done to yalls?

His absurdly tight pants are an offense against all humans with functioning eyes.
 
2011-10-17 10:22:10 AM
The Brewers just wanted Grienke to feel like he was back in KC. By giving up 5 or 6 runs, but only 1 or 2 were earned.
 
2011-10-17 10:41:00 AM
Yeeeeah...that many errors just ain't gonna fly. At all.

/Cardinals in 6
//The Rangers become the new Buffalo Bills
 
2011-10-17 11:02:50 AM
Should I root for St Louis or Texas?
I dont like or dislike either team. Should I?
 
2011-10-17 11:05:48 AM
mikaloyd: Should I root for St Louis or Texas?
I dont like or dislike either team. Should I?


In times like this, I choose along NL v AL lines. Whichever side of that line you fall on, I don't care. :)
 
2011-10-17 11:07:00 AM
Only one perfect bracket remains on the MLB.com thngee after last nights game. ONE.

I'm sure there's more on other sites elsewhere, but still. That seems crazy to me.

Anyways, Texas in 7. The more baseball the better.
 
2011-10-17 11:07:29 AM
someonelse: proteus_b: why do the brewers fans cry about larussa? what he done to yalls?

His absurdly tight pants are an offense against all humans with functioning eyes.


LOL. Also he's a whiny d-bag. I don't hate the Cardinals, but I will say that LaRussa drives me nuts.

Anyway, I don't really care what happens for the next few years, soince the Epstein deal is all but a lock and the Cubs can finally modernize the office.
 
2011-10-17 11:10:56 AM
machoprogrammer: Spanky_McFarksalot: Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.

He called Brewer fans idiots, he intentionally beans players then denies it, he whines about the lighted banner and says the Brewers cheated at home, he whines about the umpiring... want me to keep going?

Oh and his dye job is pathetic.


1. He called a specific group of fans idiots: the ones that were wishing diseases upon him and mocking his family. The ones that were kicked out of the game.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6830543/st-louis-cardinals-tony-la- r ussa-says-milwaukee-brewers-fans-heckling-went-too-far

2. He probably beaned players and denied it. He's probably back on the bottle.

3. The Brewers probably did cheat at home; notice that everyone who came into their park after this point started disguising their signs hardcore (and notice how the Brew's amazing home win percentage went down). "If you're not cheating, you're not trying," but La Russa isn't really in the wrong for calling the Brewers out.

4. Whining about the umpiring, while annoying, can be effective. It was good gamesmanship in this case, and it helped the team. He paid his fine; let it go.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7053142/tony-la-russa - winning-argument

TL;DNR: La Russa can be an egomaniac, but he's not Hitler. The Brewers had an amazing season, and you should be proud.

Hopefully you'll keep Fielder, and next year we can move towards our shared goal of pounding the Cubs into NL Central oblivion.
 
2011-10-17 11:15:43 AM
2012 Brewers home opener April 6th vs. the National League (or World) Champion St. Louis Cardinals.
A week later, Cards open at home, and get to hoist a banner (or two) as the Cubs look on.

/Hats off to the schedule makers
//Here's to a great World Series
///Cards in 6
 
2011-10-17 11:15:50 AM
I was rooting for the Brewers mainly because of Doug Melvin and the old Harvey's Wallbanger teams. LaRussa had some great teams in Oakland but only won the one title, right? I know the Reds swept them in '90. This Cards team really has the momentum going for it now though.

Anyway, go Rangers. Hopefully good CJ, Holland, & Colby show up.
 
2011-10-17 11:22:08 AM
bacongood: The Brewers were a horrendous defensive team. Morgan is probably the only + defender they have. Their SS/2B combo is horrible. Braun is a train wreck with the glove. Fielder... ok, I actually think Fielder's defense is underrated, but he plays 1B so it doesn't really matter.

They were middle of the pack in terms of the most important measure of team defense-- the percentage of batted balls that get turned into outs. (71.2%, tied for 13th-best in baseball). They allowed a ton of extra baserunners to reach on errors (74, 6th-most in baseball), but they were making enough other plays to bring them up to a little above the average.

(This is why fielding percentage can be misleading. If a grounder gets through the infield just out of the reach of a slow infielder, it's a single. If he races into position and bobbles it, it's an error. In both cases, there's a runner on first and no out was recorded.)

Fielder is actually a pretty atrocious defender by most of the systems. Surprisingly, his range graded out OK this year, but he made too many errors to be anywhere near average. 1B defense isn't that important relative to other positions, but he cost the brewers some extra runs. Other than 2009, he's graded out poorly every year of his career.

FWIW, Fangraphs thinks five pretty bad defensive Brewers (tallied in runs saved/lost vs. average, so quantity times quality) were:
Worst: Betancourt (-7)
#2: Fielder (-5)
#3: LuCroy (-4)
#4: Braun (-4)
#5: Kotsay (-4)

Fielder and Braun are awesome enough with the bat that the above doesn't matter much; Fielder is still a big prize this winter. Kotsay should be gotten rid of-- he's a 35-year-old who doesn't hit for much, so if he's hurting you with the glove, he's toxic. Betancourt is no surprise-- year after year, he's one of the worst regular players in baseball, hurting you with the bat, glove, and baserunning. LuCroy is young and cheap, and can sort of hit, so you have to hope he matures. He's average vs. the running game, but he fields very few popups/grounders, which is surprising (and possibly fixable with training) because he's not fat by catcher standards.

That said, they also identify four very good defenders:
Best: Gomez (+12; 10th in MLB for all positions, which is amazing for a part-timer)
#2: Morgan (+9)
#3: Counsell (+7)
#4: McGahee (+7)

Unfortunately, Morgan is the only one of these guys who wasn't an embarrassment with the bat this year.
 
2011-10-17 11:33:41 AM
okiemule: Lost Thought 00: Perry wins the Presidency.

That would be awesome!


He's under 35 years old, so unfortunately he's ineligible to hold office.
 
2011-10-17 11:37:26 AM
Interesting. The fans for both teams in the NLCS threads were all pretty cool with each other, with the exception of a couple idiots which you can never avoid. I guess this thread is their chance to shine.
 
2011-10-17 11:42:57 AM
Cardinals in 6.

//Haters Gonna Hate.
 
2011-10-17 11:45:33 AM
Check out the front page of ESPN.com right now - crazy picture with a suggestive headline.

img839.imageshack.us

Almost as bad as the Prince Fielder celebration pic from last year

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2011-10-17 11:45:41 AM
RaptorLC: Try learning a little bit about baseball before going "hurr durr I dun get it" since the headline is incredibly easy to figure out.

Nine errors committed in the series, seven of which were in the last two games. Wow, the Brewers sucked.


Would it be too much to ask for an article that actually, you know, mentions the number of errors committed?
 
2011-10-17 11:48:38 AM
chimp_ninja: bacongood: The Brewers were a horrendous defensive team. Morgan is probably the only + defender they have. Their SS/2B combo is horrible. Braun is a train wreck with the glove. Fielder... ok, I actually think Fielder's defense is underrated, but he plays 1B so it doesn't really matter.

They were middle of the pack in terms of the most important measure of team defense-- the percentage of batted balls that get turned into outs. (71.2%, tied for 13th-best in baseball). They allowed a ton of extra baserunners to reach on errors (74, 6th-most in baseball), but they were making enough other plays to bring them up to a little above the average.

(This is why fielding percentage can be misleading. If a grounder gets through the infield just out of the reach of a slow infielder, it's a single. If he races into position and bobbles it, it's an error. In both cases, there's a runner on first and no out was recorded.)

Fielder is actually a pretty atrocious defender by most of the systems. Surprisingly, his range graded out OK this year, but he made too many errors to be anywhere near average. 1B defense isn't that important relative to other positions, but he cost the brewers some extra runs. Other than 2009, he's graded out poorly every year of his career.

FWIW, Fangraphs thinks five pretty bad defensive Brewers (tallied in runs saved/lost vs. average, so quantity times quality) were:
Worst: Betancourt (-7)
#2: Fielder (-5)
#3: LuCroy (-4)
#4: Braun (-4)
#5: Kotsay (-4)

Fielder and Braun are awesome enough with the bat that the above doesn't matter much; Fielder is still a big prize this winter. Kotsay should be gotten rid of-- he's a 35-year-old who doesn't hit for much, so if he's hurting you with the glove, he's toxic. Betancourt is no surprise-- year after year, he's one of the worst regular players in baseball, hurting you with the bat, glove, and baserunning. LuCroy is young and cheap, and can sort of hit, so you have to hope he matures. He's average vs. the running game, but he fields very few popups/grounders, which is surprising (and possibly fixable with training) because he's not fat by catcher standards.

That said, they also identify four very good defenders:
Best: Gomez (+12; 10th in MLB for all positions, which is amazing for a part-timer)
#2: Morgan (+9)
#3: Counsell (+7)
#4: McGahee (+7)

Unfortunately, Morgan is the only one of these guys who wasn't an embarrassment with the bat this year.


There are a ton of defensive stats that can be used and they are all far from perfect. But when the defensive stats most in your favor say you are middle of the pack, you are a horrible defensive team.

There is no good defensive stat for 1B or C. I think people like to paint Fielder as some boulder who doesn't move and can't stretch for a catch; neither of which are true. He is not a gold glove candidate, but the guy plays a serve-able 1B. I didn't watch LuCroy enough to say anything educated about his defense.

I forgot about Gomez, but really they had "MorGomez" as a real good CF. And Counsell may have played good D, but he didn't play much at all (157 at bats).

So it is more like they got good defense from 2 positions (3B and CF).
Roughly adequate defense from RF.
Slightly rough defense from 1B.
Very rough defense from LF, 2B, and C.
And they had Betancourt play SS (self explanatory).

Sure, lots of these guys made up for it with their bats, but that doesn't make them adequate at defense, just overall good players.
 
2011-10-17 11:54:02 AM
Cards in 6, and the Rangers begin their quest to be the Braves of this decade
 
2011-10-17 12:07:49 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.

Fark, for people who think they know it all.
 
2011-10-17 12:13:52 PM
machoprogrammer: Spanky_McFarksalot: Baseball, for people who think watching paint dry is to exciting.

He called Brewer fans idiots, he intentionally beans players then denies it, he whines about the lighted banner and says the Brewers cheated at home, he whines about the umpiring... want me to keep going?

Oh and his dye job is pathetic.


Nobody likes TLR, but he wins and winning trumps liking. For the record, he said SOME of the Brewer's fans are idiots. Never been to Miller Park, but I am sure some of them are idiots. There are idiots at every park. Some are even on the field.
 
2011-10-17 12:22:20 PM
bacongood: There are a ton of defensive stats that can be used and they are all far from perfect. But when the defensive stats most in your favor say you are middle of the pack, you are a horrible defensive team.

I agree that they're each far from perfect, but usually if you step back and look at several (especially if you have a few years), they tend to line up well.

I disagree that team defensive efficiency (% of batted balls turned into outs) falls into this category. It's a pretty simple, results-oriented way to look at teams as a whole.

bacongood: There is no good defensive stat for 1B or C. I think people like to paint Fielder as some boulder who doesn't move and can't stretch for a catch; neither of which are true. He is not a gold glove candidate, but the guy plays a serve-able 1B.

He did make 15 errors this year, which led MLB first basemen. B-ref breaks them down as 5 catching (throws), 9 fielding, and 1 throwing, and he allowed 9 extra baserunners to reach. (Possibly more, because they won't score an error on the potential second out of a double play.) That's largely what the systems are keying on.
 
2011-10-17 12:23:46 PM
Electriclectic: mikaloyd: Should I root for St Louis or Texas?
I dont like or dislike either team. Should I?

In times like this, I choose along NL v AL lines. Whichever side of that line you fall on, I don't care. :)


I'll sell my fanhood to benefit charity.
I will be an over the top unsilencable wildly rooting fan of either team in this World Series and post unflattering pics and scandalous half truths about the opposing team in FARK threads for a donation to my favorite no kill dog shelter.

You know its gotta be worth AT LEAST 10 or 20 dollars in lulz. Its for the dogs! Plus Im bound to get fans of the other side somewhat butthurt. Its in my blood. I take the heat, the dogs get helped out, the winner gets the lulz.

This is the dog shelter (new window)

What am I bid?
 
2011-10-17 12:56:43 PM
rockspin: 3. The Brewers probably did cheat at home; notice that everyone who came into their park after this point started disguising their signs hardcore (and notice how the Brew's amazing home win percentage went down). "If you're not cheating, you're not trying," but La Russa isn't really in the wrong for calling the Brewers out.

I was never clear on how, exactly, he thought the Brewers were manipulating the stadium lights to their advantage without anyone in the stadium or the media noticing.
 
2011-10-17 12:57:01 PM
rockspin: Hopefully you'll keep Fielder, and next year we can move towards our shared goal of pounding the Cubs into NL Central oblivion.

As a White Sox fan, I have no problem with your goal. However, aren't the Cubs already in NL Central oblivion? What else can you do? They don't have to be worse than the Astros every year.
 
2011-10-17 01:03:32 PM
itsdrew: Wow, lots of butthurt in this thread. Ah well.

It's no secret that the Cardinals are hated more than every other team in MLB not named the Yankees. Been that way for a long time.

/Cardinals fan for over 50 years
//don't care if they're despised
///wears it as a badge of honor
 
2011-10-17 01:04:48 PM
someonelse: rockspin: 3. The Brewers probably did cheat at home; notice that everyone who came into their park after this point started disguising their signs hardcore (and notice how the Brew's amazing home win percentage went down). "If you're not cheating, you're not trying," but La Russa isn't really in the wrong for calling the Brewers out.

I was never clear on how, exactly, he thought the Brewers were manipulating the stadium lights to their advantage without anyone in the stadium or the media noticing.


Yeah, and MLB basically said LaRussa was being retarded.
 
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