Ender's: How 'bout them Niners?

They are for real. It is too bad that the two coach's acted like DB's because it is taking away from the game. Would love a rematch in the playoff's.

My coach can kick your coach's ass.

/well, maybe
//Harbaugh did GTFO pretty quickly

yeeah! how bout them niners indeed.

Dirty Harry beats Robocop.

skinink: I laugh at the Lions' coach due to his anger over the handshake. I see he played against the Pats in preseason so I doubt he got a much better handshake from Belichick.
I think it's just sour grapes because the Lions lost today.
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THIS!

Ender's: How 'bout them Niners?

Every single season for the past decade, there was something the Niners did that made me think, "this is the year we go make the playoffs or something!"

They'd start 2-1 and look good, then fall apart.

This year, I said I wasn't buying into it. Of course it'd be this year.

First off Subby, Lions have 6 losses this year.

Second, Lions won 30-18 today. Look it up.

They are in first place and with today's victory over the Saskatchewan Roughriders they are first in the West.

Grey Cup going to British Columbia.

Dafatone: Ender's: How 'bout them Niners?

Every single season for the past decade, there was something the Niners did that made me think, "this is the year we go make the playoffs or something!"

They'd start 2-1 and look good, then fall apart.

This year, I said I wasn't buying into it. Of course it'd be this year.

They only need to win two more to match Seatttle's win total last year in winning the division. I haven't had a dog in the fight in an NFL game in a long time, being a 49'ers fan. This season is fun and football is becoming more than a Saturday thing for me. Though, the Seacraps usually get the telecast over 49'ers here locally.

misterblaine63: First off Subby, Lions have 6 losses this year.

Second, Lions won 30-18 today. Look it up.

They are in first place and with today's victory over the Saskatchewan Roughriders they are first in the West.

Grey Cup going to British Columbia.

I admit you got me with that one... I was thinking "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is this idiot talking about?" Nicely played, sir.

srhp29: Dafatone: Ender's: How 'bout them Niners?

Every single season for the past decade, there was something the Niners did that made me think, "this is the year we go make the playoffs or something!"

They'd start 2-1 and look good, then fall apart.

This year, I said I wasn't buying into it. Of course it'd be this year.

They only need to win two more to match Seatttle's win total last year in winning the division. I haven't had a dog in the fight in an NFL game in a long time, being a 49'ers fan. This season is fun and football is becoming more than a Saturday thing for me. Though, the Seacraps usually get the telecast over 49'ers here locally.

Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan, whether they were 1-15 or 8-8 or usually around 4-7 wins the last 6 years. Every game, even if I had to listen to it on the radio. Glad you can finally start paying attention, I guarantee you a win like today feels better for me having put up with all the bullshiat.

McManus_brothers: This "Handshakegate" that the media is playing up is about as dumb as can be. Two fiery coaches, big game, they overreacted. Big whoop-dee-f*ckin-doo. Harbaugh even said it was all on him, admttted that he overreacted. How is this a story?

Harbaugh said he "shook his hand too hard" and he did, but.....

bukketmaster: //Harbaugh did GTFO pretty quickly

He always does that, he shakes hands, turns around and runs off the field. Shwartz isn't one to talk at all, that motherfarker celebrates as hard as anyone on the way to the post game hand shake. He's just buttmad cuz he got beat.

WHERE IS THAT DOUCHEBAG THAT WAS SAYING THE LIONS WOULD "ANNIHALATE" THE 49ERS? COME ON OUT AND EAT SOME CROW!


On the topic of the game though, great game. People saying it sucks must not appreciate good defensive plays. The 49ers and the Lions both have awesome defenses. That game had 5 lead changes and wasn't decided until the final second. Even when the 49ers stopped them on 4th down the Lions still had a minute left after stopping the 49ers 3 plays in a row. I almost had a farking heart attack. 4th and 6 to Walker for a TD? Smith you Joe Montana son of a biatch. Great game by both teams, someone has to lose, and this game will probably be played again in the playoffs as long as the Lions get a WC, and they way they are playing they should.

This was Alex Smith's first bad game of the season. For much of the 3rd/4th quarter he was sailing those passes way over the heads of receivers and I was thinking "Oh god, he's back". But somehow he managed to pull it together and pull off that last touchdown.

A few other thoughts (sorry for the double post but I'm dangerously stoked right now)

McManus_brothers: How is this a story?

It's a story because the NFL is looking into it and Shwartz will probably get a fine. That could have turned real ugly if you watch the whole clip. 49ers and Lions players were putting their helmets on gearing up for a fight. Had they not been too tired from beating the shiat out of eachother for 3 and a half hours it might have.

Also, on the TD pass from Smith I saw Walkers knee hit in real time and was thinking fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark fark. I knew it would be reviewed and the refs were down right farking the 49ers. I'm not usually one to mention referees, and never in a win, but that was a little bit ridiculous. Some of the worst calls and non calls I've seen for both sides. The Calvin Johnson rule (which is dumb) not being applied on almost the exact same situation it was applied last year. I thought for sure he'd over turn it. Makes me realize that the refs were just farking up and or affected by the crowd and atmosphere and not really having any bad intentions for the 49ers.

NemoD: This was Alex Smith's first bad game of the season. For much of the 3rd/4th quarter he was sailing those passes way over the heads of receivers and I was thinking "Oh god, he's back". But somehow he managed to pull it together and pull off that last touchdown.

I knew he wasn't "back" because him being "back" means rolling to the right every play and throwing the ball out of bounds like a robot, or throwing the ball at the feet of the receivers lol. He was having a bad day but if you notice those really high throws were all towards Crabtree and all when he was on the move. I don't know what the fark is the problem with him and Crabtree but I'd assume its because they haven't had much time together throwing the ball.

Yeah I was surprised how tenacious the 9ers defense was. They had Stafford second guessing himself all night long. I'm not sure whether the Lions' o-line had a bad day or what, they couldn't keep the 9ers out of Stafford's face.

And if it weren't for the 5000 yards of penalties the 9ers took, they might have handily won this game.

This season has been awesome so far. High-five Epiphany... suffered right along with you since '02.

Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan, whether they were 1-15 or 8-8 or usually around 4-7 wins the last 6 years. Every game, even if I had to listen to it on the radio. Glad you can finally start paying attention, I guarantee you a win like today feels better for me having put up with all the bullshiat.

Put up w/bullshait the "last six years?" Give me an 'effin' break. The real shiat was the late 70s before The Catch and the DeBartolo years when they were posting 2-14 seasons with no hope in sight...

/and stay off my g-d lawn!

Professczar: Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan, whether they were 1-15 or 8-8 or usually around 4-7 wins the last 6 years. Every game, even if I had to listen to it on the radio. Glad you can finally start paying attention, I guarantee you a win like today feels better for me having put up with all the bullshiat.

Put up w/bullshait the "last six years?" Give me an 'effin' break. The real shiat was the late 70s before The Catch and the DeBartolo years when they were posting 2-14 seasons with no hope in sight...

/and stay off my g-d lawn!

LOL Hiya old timer! I'm only 25 so I was 8 when they won their last super bowl, not really old enough to understand the importance of it all. Was old enough to enjoy the Garcia/Owens years some and the majority of my hardcore watching has been since then.

Morpheses: This season has been awesome so far. High-five Epiphany... suffered right along with you since '02.

*HIGH FIVE*

tortilla burger: Yeah I was surprised how tenacious the 9ers defense was. They had Stafford second guessing himself all night long. I'm not sure whether the Lions' o-line had a bad day or what, they couldn't keep the 9ers out of Stafford's face.

And if it weren't for the 5000 yards of penalties the 9ers took, they might have handily won this game.

It could have something to do with Harlyson not playing much and the OL focusing more on Aldon Smith. kids a monster. If he keeps this up he may be DROY.

Epiphany: The Calvin Johnson rule (which is dumb) not being applied on almost the exact same situation it was applied last year. I thought for sure he'd over turn it. Makes me realize that the refs were just farking up and or affected by the crowd and atmosphere and not really having any bad intentions for the 49ers.

There was a key difference: Burleson's knees never touched the ground, so he never went down, and therefore didn't have to "complete the process of the catch", he just had to catch the ball and get both his feet inbounds.

thesloppy: Epiphany: The Calvin Johnson rule (which is dumb) not being applied on almost the exact same situation it was applied last year. I thought for sure he'd over turn it. Makes me realize that the refs were just farking up and or affected by the crowd and atmosphere and not really having any bad intentions for the 49ers.

There was a key difference: Burleson's knees never touched the ground, so he never went down, and therefore didn't have to "complete the process of the catch", he just had to catch the ball and get both his feet inbounds.

The rule says "going to the ground", not knees on the ground, and thats what he was doing. Even the officiating czar on FOX said it wasn't a TD per the rule but was happy it was ruled a TD cuz "everyone thinks the rule sucks".

Epiphany: thesloppy: Epiphany: The Calvin Johnson rule (which is dumb) not being applied on almost the exact same situation it was applied last year. I thought for sure he'd over turn it. Makes me realize that the refs were just farking up and or affected by the crowd and atmosphere and not really having any bad intentions for the 49ers.

There was a key difference: Burleson's knees never touched the ground, so he never went down, and therefore didn't have to "complete the process of the catch", he just had to catch the ball and get both his feet inbounds.

The rule says "going to the ground", not knees on the ground, and thats what he was doing. Even the officiating czar on FOX said it wasn't a TD per the rule but was happy it was ruled a TD cuz "everyone thinks the rule sucks".

The player has to reach the ground in order to be going there. He never did. Regardless of whether you feel the interpretation was correct, my point is there was a very key difference between that play and the Calvin Johnson play: Calvin Johnson went down during the process of the catch, Burleson did not. Pereira didn't even realize that Burleson hadn't gone down, which might explain why he's now working for Fox and not the NFL.

thesloppy: Epiphany: thesloppy: Epiphany: The Calvin Johnson rule (which is dumb) not being applied on almost the exact same situation it was applied last year. I thought for sure he'd over turn it. Makes me realize that the refs were just farking up and or affected by the crowd and atmosphere and not really having any bad intentions for the 49ers.

There was a key difference: Burleson's knees never touched the ground, so he never went down, and therefore didn't have to "complete the process of the catch", he just had to catch the ball and get both his feet inbounds.

The rule says "going to the ground", not knees on the ground, and thats what he was doing. Even the officiating czar on FOX said it wasn't a TD per the rule but was happy it was ruled a TD cuz "everyone thinks the rule sucks".

The player has to reach the ground in order to be going there. He never did. Regardless of whether you feel the interpretation was correct, my point is there was a very key difference between that play and the Calvin Johnson play: Calvin Johnson went down during the process of the catch, Burleson did not. Pereira didn't even realize that Burleson hadn't gone down, which might explain why he's now working for Fox and not the NFL.

You have to reach the ground to be going there? Are you farking kidding me? Players can't be "going to the ground" and not reach it? Yeah my interpretation is wrong, the ex head of NFL officiating is wrong, and 99 percent of professional sports observers is wrong. You're right!

Professczar: Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan, whether they were 1-15 or 8-8 or usually around 4-7 wins the last 6 years. Every game, even if I had to listen to it on the radio. Glad you can finally start paying attention, I guarantee you a win like today feels better for me having put up with all the bullshiat.

Put up w/bullshait the "last six years?" Give me an 'effin' break. The real shiat was the late 70s before The Catch and the DeBartolo years when they were posting 2-14 seasons with no hope in sight...

/and stay off my g-d lawn!

I'll get off yer lawn. I've only been a Niners fan since '81 (I was 6 then). But I gotta admit, I'm pretty giddy so far about this year, though I (at the moment) have no illusions about getting past Green Bay in going to the super bowl.

djslowdive: Professczar: Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan, whether they were 1-15 or 8-8 or usually around 4-7 wins the last 6 years. Every game, even if I had to listen to it on the radio. Glad you can finally start paying attention, I guarantee you a win like today feels better for me having put up with all the bullshiat.

Put up w/bullshait the "last six years?" Give me an 'effin' break. The real shiat was the late 70s before The Catch and the DeBartolo years when they were posting 2-14 seasons with no hope in sight...

/and stay off my g-d lawn!

I'll get off yer lawn. I've only been a Niners fan since '81 (I was 6 then). But I gotta admit, I'm pretty giddy so far about this year, though I (at the moment) have no illusions about getting past Green Bay in going to the super bowl.

No logical 49ers fan would be thinking Super Bowl right now. I doubt the illogical ones are either. But playoffs? PLAYOFFS? shiat yes we're all thinking it. The way the 49ers players and coaches are talking I know they are just focusing on the "next game".

bukketmaster: My coach can kick your coach's ass.

/well, maybe
//Harbaugh did GTFO pretty quickly

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet my next paycheck on Harbaugh winning that fight. Back in '97 when he was playing for the Colts Jim Kelley said Harbaugh was a coward on the field or something to that effect. A week or two later they run into each other at some sort of event a day or two before a game, they exchanged some words, and Harbaugh ended up punching him so hard he broke his hand. He missed a few weeks for it, but they were winless at the time anyway, and they used the number 1 pick they got from sucking so bad to draft Peyton Manning...so he probably did them a favor.

Epiphany: I knew he wasn't "back" because him being "back" means rolling to the right every play and throwing the ball out of bounds like a robot, or throwing the ball at the feet of the receivers lol. He was having a bad day but if you notice those really high throws were all towards Crabtree and all when he was on the move. I don't know what the fark is the problem with him and Crabtree but I'd assume its because they haven't had much time together throwing the ball.

He wasn't having a bad day for most of the game. He threw 2 bad passes, and had his targets drop about 8 balls that hit them in the hands. Both of the bad passes were to Crabtree, and I think he just misjudged how high Crabtree can jump (or misthrew the ball to the same effect), because the best throw of the game was the exact same throw to the exact same guy. Smith was the most consistently good player on the offense today. Everyone else screwed up more than he did.

Epiphany:

No logical 49ers fan would be thinking Super Bowl right now. I doubt the illogical ones are either. But playoffs? PLAYOFFS? shiat yes we're all thinking it. The way the 49ers players and coaches are talking I know they are just focusing on the "next game".

It's kinda hard to argue against playoffs when your team is 2.5 games up on your division, who are generally regarded as the worst in the league, still have 5 games to play against them (2 against a winless team), and have 2 more wins than all of them put together...

Epiphany:
You have to reach the ground to be going there? Are you farking kidding me? Players can't be "going to the ground" and not reach it?

No. You have to ultimately go to the ground, in order to be going to the ground. I dunno how that qualifies as questionable or confusing.

N.F.L. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1: Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

As for "99% of sports observers", I don't think you can be calling for non-touchdowns on either or both of those plays, and think you're on the fans' side.

thesloppy: Epiphany:
You have to reach the ground to be going there? Are you farking kidding me? Players can't be "going to the ground" and not reach it?

No. You have to ultimately go to the ground, in order to be going to the ground. I dunno how that qualifies as questionable or confusing.

N.F.L. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1: Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

As for "99% of sports observers", I don't think you can be calling for non-touchdowns on either or both of those plays, and think you're on the fans' side.

Oh for sure. Thats why I made sure to mention that the rule is bullshiat. And I suppose you could say with the interpretation of that rule "goes to the ground" that the ball went to the ground with the player but he caught himself and lost the ball there. I really don't care except that if it was applied in the CJ case it should have been applied there, but the 49ers won so I can't be farked to keep this debate going. I'll agree to disagree with full knowledge that you may very well be correct, and that both of us are correct in that he rule is farking stupid.

Neeek: Epiphany: I knew he wasn't "back" because him being "back" means rolling to the right every play and throwing the ball out of bounds like a robot, or throwing the ball at the feet of the receivers lol. He was having a bad day but if you notice those really high throws were all towards Crabtree and all when he was on the move. I don't know what the fark is the problem with him and Crabtree but I'd assume its because they haven't had much time together throwing the ball.

He wasn't having a bad day for most of the game. He threw 2 bad passes, and had his targets drop about 8 balls that hit them in the hands. Both of the bad passes were to Crabtree, and I think he just misjudged how high Crabtree can jump (or misthrew the ball to the same effect), because the best throw of the game was the exact same throw to the exact same guy. Smith was the most consistently good player on the offense today. Everyone else screwed up more than he did.

I said he was having a bad day cuz he was holding the ball a little long, but had he thrown those i bet they would've been to the feet (to avoid a turnover) or INTs. As one of the biggest Alex Smith haters in the last 4 years it's taken me a few games to believe, but after Tampa Bay i do. All game long I was thinking "he can do this" and he did it, pulled it off.

Neeek: Epiphany:

No logical 49ers fan would be thinking Super Bowl right now. I doubt the illogical ones are either. But playoffs? PLAYOFFS? shiat yes we're all thinking it. The way the 49ers players and coaches are talking I know they are just focusing on the "next game".

It's kinda hard to argue against playoffs when your team is 2.5 games up on your division, who are generally regarded as the worst in the league, still have 5 games to play against them (2 against a winless team), and have 2 more wins than all of them put together...

True but Denver was 6-0 one year, and the 49ers have started strong. I'm trying to curb my expectations because of all the disapointment. Division games are never a walk in the park, and the 49ers almost always lose at least one against SEA. You can't count out the Cardinals and Rams playing solely for division pride at home either. That being said, even if they drop 2 or 3 division games I still think they win the NFC West at 9-7 or 10-6, and I have to slap myself to stop from trying to think more wins than that.

Neondistraction: bukketmaster: My coach can kick your coach's ass.

/well, maybe
//Harbaugh did GTFO pretty quickly

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet my next paycheck on Harbaugh winning that fight. Back in '97 when he was playing for the Colts Jim Kelley said Harbaugh was a coward on the field or something to that effect. A week or two later they run into each other at some sort of event a day or two before a game, they exchanged some words, and Harbaugh ended up punching him so hard he broke his hand. He missed a few weeks for it, but they were winless at the time anyway, and they used the number 1 pick they got from sucking so bad to draft Peyton Manning...so he probably did them a favor.

As a football player, Harbaugh could take a horrific beating and keep playing, which is certainly a kind of toughness, but we've still really got no idea if he can actually fight. Breaking your hand is a fairly common result of striking someone's head with a closed, unprotected fist. You may not even seriously damage the other guy in the process.

Epiphany: I'm trying to curb my expectations because of all the disapointment.

I'm with you there. This was the first game of the season that I felt they would win when they were behind, right after the Lions scored their last TD. I had a strong feeling they'd score again, then started freaking out, worried about their ability to hold the lead once they did.

Epiphany:
Oh for sure. Thats why I made sure to mention that the rule is bullshiat. And I suppose you could say with the interpretation of that rule "goes to the ground" that the ball went to the ground with the player but he caught himself and lost the ball there. I really don't care except that if it was applied in the CJ case it should have been applied there, but the 49ers won so I can't be farked to keep this debate going. I'll agree to disagree with full knowledge that you may very well be correct, and that both of us are correct in that he rule is farking stupid.

Purely for the record, the ball is considered part of your hand, and can't down a player. CJ was on his his butt, and was clearly down.

Regardless, good tough win for the '9ers today, and a setback for the Leos.

Epiphany: I said he was having a bad day cuz he was holding the ball a little long, but had he thrown those i bet they would've been to the feet (to avoid a turnover) or INTs. As one of the biggest Alex Smith haters in the last 4 years it's taken me a few games to believe, but after Tampa Bay i do. All game long I was thinking "he can do this" and he did it, pulled it off.

I've been saying it all along. Alex Smith is fine when he gets time to step into a throw. For the past 6 years, he's been running away from a pass rush pretty much every single play.

Today wasn't his best day, and he did overthrow Crabtree in a few big spots. But he got it done when it counted, and we beat a 5-0 team. On the road. Awesome.

/Smith still needs to work on not giving away certain plays. There were a few screens that he sold way too early.

Neeek: Epiphany: I'm trying to curb my expectations because of all the disapointment.

I'm with you there. This was the first game of the season that I felt they would win when they were behind, right after the Lions scored their last TD. I had a strong feeling they'd score again, then started freaking out, worried about their ability to hold the lead once they did.

LOL I was like that the entire game! 12 to 10 at half i was like SHIAT SHIAT SHIAT and the rest of the game. Even when they got the ball back after the 4 and out with a lot of time left and the Lions with 3 timeouts, the commentators were like "the lions fans are starting to leave" and I was like "WHY THIS IS STILL A GAME WTF!!!"

I had flashbacks of Favres TD pass with time running out as the Vikings beat the 49ers and couldn't calm down until a few hours after the game. Like 'they really did it this time! they really did it this time and against PHI and it wasn't a mirage like the last times!"

Dafatone: Epiphany: I said he was having a bad day cuz he was holding the ball a little long, but had he thrown those i bet they would've been to the feet (to avoid a turnover) or INTs. As one of the biggest Alex Smith haters in the last 4 years it's taken me a few games to believe, but after Tampa Bay i do. All game long I was thinking "he can do this" and he did it, pulled it off.

I've been saying it all along. Alex Smith is fine when he gets time to step into a throw. For the past 6 years, he's been running away from a pass rush pretty much every single play.

Today wasn't his best day, and he did overthrow Crabtree in a few big spots. But he got it done when it counted, and we beat a 5-0 team. On the road. Awesome.

/Smith still needs to work on not giving away certain plays. There were a few screens that he sold way too early.

The biggest difference I've seen in Smith is he is not playing worried. Whenever we would get behind big in games he could always start to come back and never finish, because once we got within reach he would worry again and it would go badly. This season, especially with Harbaugh all off season saying he believed in him, even when he wasn't signed, has let Alex Smith just go out and play ball and not worry about his coach throwing him under the bus to the media or in front of the team. It allows him to just play football, and while he isn't amazing, he is doing a damn good job and better then i could ever expect.

Epiphany: Even when they got the ball back after the 4 and out with a lot of time left and the Lions with 3 timeouts, the commentators were like "the lions fans are starting to leave" and I was like "WHY THIS IS STILL A GAME WTF!!!"

Yeah. You should check Fark thread. When the Niners got the ball back with about 1:30 left, a bunch of people were saying "game over". I was saying "the game ends at 0:00, until then I believe nothing." Detroit got the ball back with more than a minute left. That's not game over. That's "a good team could really win this" time.

I'd also like to point out the outstanding play of Andy Lee. The safety doesn't happen without Lee's punting. 3 punts that were within the 10 is a very impressive job. In a defensive slugfest, having a punter that averages 10 more yards than your opponent's does is a huge advantage. The Niners dominated the starting field of possession battle, a large part due to him.

Neeek: Epiphany: Even when they got the ball back after the 4 and out with a lot of time left and the Lions with 3 timeouts, the commentators were like "the lions fans are starting to leave" and I was like "WHY THIS IS STILL A GAME WTF!!!"

Yeah. You should check Fark thread. When the Niners got the ball back with about 1:30 left, a bunch of people were saying "game over". I was saying "the game ends at 0:00, until then I believe nothing." Detroit got the ball back with more than a minute left. That's not game over. That's "a good team could really win this" time.

I guess that comes from us being 49ers fans haha. Die hard fans sit and watch it out when there is even a chance at all. I think the Lions fans are so disheartened that they, and the commentators watching them, thought it was over. I Guarantee the die hard Lions fans were thinking the same thing. I think its great both teams are doing really well. 5-1 from both sides is awesome from where we've been the last decade.

Neeek: I'd also like to point out the outstanding play of Andy Lee. The safety doesn't happen without Lee's punting. 3 punts that were within the 10 is a very impressive job. In a defensive slugfest, having a punter that averages 10 more yards than your opponent's does is a huge advantage. The Niners dominated the starting field of possession battle, a large part due to him.

Andy Lee and Ted Ginn both! I think of Al Davis when I think of the impact Andy Lee and other punters are having on the game. Drafting Ray Guy in the first round changed the game completely, and not just for the Raiders. I also have to give it up for the most unsung player on the 49ers in history, Brian Jennings. He is always on with his snaps, it's a real credit to special teams to see someone that effective. He is part of the 49ers "10 year club", for players that have been with the team for 10 years. There aren't a lot of players on that list and he does a damn good job. And he is hilarious.

Watched the game and it was an awesome one. Told you 'bout the Niners. Both Lions and Niners look real, but the Lions need Best to man up running.

Lost in the record shuffle: The Bengals are 4-2 going into their Bye Week, where they face...the Seahawks. That should be good for a 5-2 record before plummeting to Earth.

Pratty: Watched the game and it was an awesome one. Told you 'bout the Niners. Both Lions and Niners look real, but the Lions need Best to man up running.

Lost in the record shuffle: The Bengals are 4-2 going into their Bye Week, where they face...the Seahawks. That should be good for a 5-2 record before plummeting to Earth.

The Giants counted the Seahawks as a win too, at home, how did that work out? The Bengals are playing really well, their defense is awesome, but never count the Seahawks out. They are well coached, and the 12th man is no bullshiat (if they are playing in SEA, not sure if they are or not).

Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan

Maybe you should relax. The 49'ers haven't been "in the fight" in a long time. That is what I was referring to jackass...Not that I wasn't a fan the whole time. And it's really not my fault I don't get to watch many games due to the market.

srhp29: Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan

Maybe you should relax. The 49'ers haven't been "in the fight" in a long time. That is what I was referring to jackass...Not that I wasn't a fan the whole time. And it's really not my fault I don't get to watch many games due to the market.

Yeah they have, every NFL game is a fight. And i don't live in a market with constant 49ers games either. I watch online (which you clearly have a connection to) or listen on online radio from the local market. Football is never a "mostly saturday" affair to me. Just admit you dont pay atention unless they are doing well and deal with it, bandwagoner son of a biatch. Its cool, jump back on, but don't talk shiat if they dont make the big game, and dont feel proud when they win tough games like today.

Epiphany: srhp29: Epiphany: Oh great, the bandwagon fans are back! Guess what, I've had a "dog in the fight" every farking year as a 49ers fan

Maybe you should relax. The 49'ers haven't been "in the fight" in a long time. That is what I was referring to jackass...Not that I wasn't a fan the whole time. And it's really not my fault I don't get to watch many games due to the market.

Yeah they have, every NFL game is a fight. And i don't live in a market with constant 49ers games either. I watch online (which you clearly have a connection to) or listen on online radio from the local market. Football is never a "mostly saturday" affair to me. Just admit you dont pay atention unless they are doing well and deal with it, bandwagoner son of a biatch. Its cool, jump back on, but don't talk shiat if they dont make the big game, and dont feel proud when they win tough games like today.

Just STFU until you know what you are talking about. Sound good farktard? I have a life and have to choose Saturday or Sunday to really watch/pay attention to a lot of football. Yes, the Ducks take precedent over all other teams pro or college in my household. So Saturday wins.