If God hadn't stricken his creation with cancer, the American Cancer Society would have nothing to do. It's called not biting the hand that feeds you.

That's funny, because I'm fairly sure if we only followed religious doctrine, we'd have nowhere near the types of treatments for cancer we have. Then again, post-Enlightenment modernity probably has caused a lot of the cancers we have, but I digress...

Anyway, doesn't the ACS have something like a bajillion dollars? I bet they spend a good chunk on fundraisers.

Sooo... I shouldn't donate to the American Cancer Society then?

FTA: "The reaction to the decision by ACS to reject the generous offer made by the secular group has been one of disbelief"

Ha ha, I get it!

/Guess ACS doesn't need any more money.

Some more details.

abb3w: Some more details.

Well that was some obtuse handwaving. Considering the plethora of "non-corporate" official national teams (nonprofits and incorporated wings of political and social groupings) they had to know that this would be seen as malarkey as soon as they spat it out.

In the modern day of the internet as an instant white-hot spotlight on double-dealing, how can any national org think they can get away with such shenanigans?

abb3w: Some more details.

Ahh, so I gather American Cancer Society will actually take the money, they just don't want to tell anyone where they got it from.

This will then contribute to the trolls who say, 'You never hear about Atheists giving anything to charity.'

It's also theoretical money. 500k is about what they think FBB would be able to raise. So, FBB can participate in the walk and donate money but it would be considered from nameless faceless participants rather from an organization.

American Cancer Society's refusal to acknowledge this organization is either backwards from a bureaucratic angle or from a bigoted angle.

Conversely, FBB should participate anyway. (Even if through another smaller charity.) It's still helping, we will know what they did from them and they can be the bigger persons and say they are helping but not for the name recognition.

Facebook page is wide open. (new window)

Makh: Conversely, FBB should participate anyway.

Or they could do a smaller event with Susan G. Komen for the Cure, Melanoma International Foundation, and similar smaller, non-bigoted anti-cancer orgs.

Occam's Chainsaw: abb3w: Some more details.

Well that was some obtuse handwaving. Considering the plethora of "non-corporate" official national teams (nonprofits and incorporated wings of political and social groupings) they had to know that this would be seen as malarkey as soon as they spat it out.

In the modern day of the internet as an instant white-hot spotlight on double-dealing, how can any national org think they can get away with such shenanigans?

we are special?
this is pretty sad for me. ACS was one of the two charities which I donate to each year. Poor Planned Parenthood will get extra money from now on.

Makh: Ahh, so I gather American Cancer Society will actually take the money, they just don't want to tell anyone where they got it from.

...and won't help the FBB coordinate the gathering process the way they do with other organizations.

Makh: 500k is about what they think FBB would be able to raise.

More exactly, that's how much will be donated if the FBB teams exactly equal the Stiefel Freethought Foundation matching grant amount. The FBB teams raise less than $250k, only the amount they raise gets matched; it they raise more, it's still only $250k in Stiefel money.

Makh: American Cancer Society's refusal to acknowledge this organization is either backwards from a bureaucratic angle or from a bigoted angle.

Or at least a quasi-bigoted angle of "we don't want to scare off the many bigot donors we already have".

So what are religious cancer treatments? I'm guessing drilling holes in the head and leeches. Religion: proudly taking the world back to the 10th century!

I dunno. I'd think people who see children dying horribly from cancer would be the most atheist people alive.

Mugato: I dunno. I'd think people who see children dying horribly from cancer would be the most atheist people alive.

It's God's Will that child dies of cancer. He's busy making sure that football was caught, because God, if he exists, is a giant farking douchebag.

GAT_00: It's God's Will that child dies of cancer. He's busy making sure that football was caught, because God, if he exists, is a giant farking douchebag.

Don't forget that just like our major arms manufacturers, God is behind both sides in every war. But he's only pretending to back one of them, for teh lulz.

Occam's Chainsaw: GAT_00: It's God's Will that child dies of cancer. He's busy making sure that football was caught, because God, if he exists, is a giant farking douchebag.

Don't forget that just like our major arms manufacturers, God is behind both sides in every war. But he's only pretending to back one of them, for teh lulz.

and you two made my day.

intelligent design? my knees, my eyes, cancer, AIDS. yup. their intelligent god is exactly as intelligent as they are. derp derp derp

that was four paragraphs that managed to repeat the same thing and give no information. Amazing.

event, insinuations

event, insinuations

event, insinuations

event, insinuations

that's some good reportin'

Porous Horace: Where is their god now?

Busy giving more kids cancer. It's a hobby, really. Like a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass. Only more cruel.

ArcadianRefugee: Uhm, no, they did not (according to the ACS):

The Society has not turned down the Foundation Beyond Belief's generous donation offer and we definitely don't want to discourage the group's participation in Relay For Life. We are grateful for their interest in saving lives from cancer. In fact, we continue to discuss with this group ways in which we can work together.

The Foundation sought to participate in Relay For Life's National Team Program, which is a program for corporate donors and supporters. The Foundation Beyond Belief is not a corporate entity, so our representative offered alternatives to the National Team Program that are consistent with the way in which Relay For Life works with other foundations, student groups, social and philosophical organizations, and other types of groups across the country that do not meet the criteria of the National Team Program.

But it is a non-profit organization, and ACS has allowed other NPOs to join the National Team Program. Why let other NPOs join, but not FBB?

Occam's Chainsaw: Makh: Conversely, FBB should participate anyway.

Or they could do a smaller event with Susan G. Komen for the Cure, Melanoma International Foundation, and similar smaller, non-bigoted anti-cancer orgs.

I volunteer and raise money for a local agency called United Cancer of Elkhart County. Your dollars stay in the local community with this organization.

FarkinHostile: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

letrole is a Troll.


One of these statements is true.

Sigh. I was hoping everyone would just ignore him this time.

The American Cancer Society is refusing the donation because:

a) Atheists cause cancer.
b) Atheists don't get cancer.
c) All atheists have cancer.
d) They're a bunch of schmucks who are too worried about public opinion.

The answer is not always c).

c). A little one-eyed cowboy wearing a Stetson? When would you need this emoticon?

ArcadianRefugee: Uhm, no, they did not (according to the ACS):

The Society has not turned down the Foundation Beyond Belief's generous donation offer and we definitely don't want to discourage the group's participation in Relay For Life. We are grateful for their interest in saving lives from cancer. In fact, we continue to discuss with this group ways in which we can work together.

The Foundation sought to participate in Relay For Life's National Team Program, which is a program for corporate donors and supporters. The Foundation Beyond Belief is not a corporate entity, so our representative offered alternatives to the National Team Program that are consistent with the way in which Relay For Life works with other foundations, student groups, social and philosophical organizations, and other types of groups across the country that do not meet the criteria of the National Team Program.

yawn
except as has been noted in numerous other articles, ACS allows tons of other non-corp donors to be national teams. so they make excepts for some groups but not others? and then claim they have rules? that is the sign of liars. fark them.
they either stand up and admit that they dont want atheists being associated with them or they kick all the other national teams which dont fit the required definition.

/I predict that they will stand their ground and look stupid.

FarkinHostile: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

letrole is a Troll.


One of these statements is true.

letrole is a shiatty troll and doesn't realize that everyone knows it.