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(Daytona Beach News-Journal)   Difference between cleaning the dishes & cleaning your gun: if you screw up while cleaning the dishes it's unlikely your mom's going to the hospital   (news-journalonline.com ) divider line
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2011-10-16 12:29:12 AM  
My immune system was immensely strengthened in college by roommates screwing up the whole cleaning the dishes thing.
 
2011-10-16 01:43:21 AM  
The bullet traveled "through her hip" and she went to the emergency room, but wasn't admitted?

/that's some fine reporting
 
2011-10-16 02:36:08 AM  
I dunno, my dish drying technique can get pretty frisbee.
 
2011-10-16 03:05:26 AM  
If your mom isn't in the hospital, why the fark are you doing the dishes?
 
2011-10-16 03:06:23 AM  

nvmac: The bullet traveled "through her hip" and she went to the emergency room, but wasn't admitted?

/that's some fine reporting


"She was shot in the beutocks."
 
2011-10-16 03:10:18 AM  

Tarkus: nvmac: The bullet traveled "through her hip" and she went to the emergency room, but wasn't admitted?

/that's some fine reporting

"She was shot in the beutocks."


"they called it a million dollar wound" :D
 
2011-10-16 03:14:56 AM  
What kind of inbred trash cleans his gun at the dining room table??

By the way, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "dining room table" in this case doesn't describe French provincial with a linen tablecloth and silver candlesticks.

Mom sounds like she was lucky. Bet she gets a nice Christmas present - a NEW vacuum cleaner, not just reconditioned from the thrift store.
 
2011-10-16 03:24:54 AM  
And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.
 
2011-10-16 03:31:43 AM  
We should implement the Swiss system gun advocates keep reposting. Before you get a gun you're required to enroll in a rigorous two week minimum training course. After which if you're not crazy or stupid you get a gun.

The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.
 
2011-10-16 03:32:17 AM  
It's only a flesh wound.
 
2011-10-16 03:33:24 AM  
"She was shot in the beutocks."


By Ensign Pulver.
 
2011-10-16 03:50:31 AM  
I don't use a gun except when I absolutely have to (and I just want to say that requiring a live fire test for a hunter safety card even if you aren't going to ever hunt with a gun is lame), but I'm pretty sure Rule Number One is "Don't point it at your mom unless you want to take that biatch out."

/something like that
 
2011-10-16 03:54:28 AM  

lymond01: We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only way to fix the stupid problem.

 
2011-10-16 03:57:56 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: What kind of inbred trash cleans his gun at the dining room table??

By the way, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "dining room table" in this case doesn't describe French provincial with a linen tablecloth and silver candlesticks.


Yo.

/Dining room table is mahogany, no tablecloth, quite nice though.
// Clean them where it's convenient, usually that's in my lap while watching a movie.
 
2011-10-16 04:12:43 AM  
smeag0l
We should implement the Swiss system gun advocates keep reposting. Before you get a gun you're required to enroll in a rigorous two week minimum training course. After which if you're not crazy or stupid you get a gun.

The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.

Can I have an AMEN! I carry but I spend a lot of time at the range and I practice safe carry. Every gun purchaser should spend a week in a classroom and on the range proving they can hit at least a refrigerator sized taget at 10 feet.

On the other hand, at my house it was Mom holding the gun and us kids cleaning dishes... and we didin't leave one damn spot either.
 
2011-10-16 04:24:25 AM  

lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.


I don't want them to have cars. Or kids.
 
2011-10-16 04:38:04 AM  

Free Range Deranged: lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.

I don't want them to have cars. Or kids.


I want stupid people to have as many guns and cars as possible. I also want them to undergo forced relocation that will put them all in very close proximity to each other and at least 50 miles from anyone else.

You may not be able to cure stupid, but you can damned sure let it thin itself out some.
 
2011-10-16 04:38:53 AM  

smeag0l: We should implement the Swiss system gun advocates keep reposting. Before you get a gun you're required to enroll in a rigorous two week minimum training course. After which if you're not crazy or stupid you get a gun.

The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.


You know, as sensitive a subject as an armed forces draft is, a number of first world nations have a short one-two year mandatory draft upon completion of HS. It's not unreasonable.
 
2011-10-16 04:44:11 AM  
I always assume that "gun discharged while being cleaned" is as euphemism for family dispute involving firearm where the victim does not want to press changes..
 
2011-10-16 04:45:26 AM  
I regularly clean my gun so I'm getting a kick out of some of these posts...

/what's the farkin' point, retards? arm yourselves
 
2011-10-16 05:10:41 AM  

CultureVulture: The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.

Can I have an AMEN! I carry but I spend a lot of time at the range and I practice safe carry. Every gun purchaser should spend a week in a classroom and on the range proving they can hit at least a refrigerator sized taget at 10 feet.


SCOTUS has routinely and repeatedly ruled that individual US citizens have the right to arm themselves in the United States. (Of course that right has been whittled down to being able to defend oneself in ones home, and nearly nothing else.

'arms' does not necessarily mean 'guns' but can also mean knives, etc. however you will not see the NRA defending such because, well, the NRA does not endorse knives, only firearms

/cower in a corner, see if i care
//we all die
///I do not want to die, i am not stupid like those goddamn stupid retarded jesus-freaks
 
2011-10-16 05:30:36 AM  

Free Range Deranged: lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.

I don't want them to have cars. Or kids.


This

If we're going to do this, let's farking do this.

Fark liberals are funny. Say "Obama wants to take our guns, herp" and they will reflexively squawk "lol, whatever. the gun issue is settled." But say "Dumbshiat McWhiteTrash shot somebody while cleaning his gun" and the automatic response is "RAWR TOSS THE 2ND" and a lot of unintelligible foaming at the mouth.

Well, is it settled or not?
 
2011-10-16 06:12:56 AM  
There's only 4 golden rules to observe proper gun safetly.....he blew through all of them and into his mom.


1.) All guns are always loaded.
2.) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3.) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4.) Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
 
2011-10-16 06:19:33 AM  
Didn't happen.

"I was cleaning it and it went off" is code for "I don't want to admit what I was doing when I shot whoever or whatever I shot.
 
2011-10-16 06:23:19 AM  

Dadoody: There's only 1 golden rule to observe.....he blew through all of them and into his mom.

 
2011-10-16 06:30:44 AM  
I've cleaned a LOT of guns w/ no injuries (narrowly missed a case of Garand-thumb tho). The wife however, while she has cleaned a LOT of dishes, also had a wine glass break on her which ended up requiring 5 stitches ....
 
2011-10-16 07:33:08 AM  
I'll bet this jackass eats his boogers too.
 
2011-10-16 07:34:36 AM  

jamspoon: I always assume that "gun discharged while being cleaned" is as euphemism for family dispute involving firearm where the victim does not want to press changes..


Either that or he was trying to play John Wayne. You can't clean a gun if it's loaded.

Rule #1: always act like the gun is loaded
Rule #2: always point the muzzle in safe direction
Rule #3: finger out of the trigger guard until ready to fire
 
GBB
2011-10-16 07:53:11 AM  
I shot my Ma, but my Ma won.
 
2011-10-16 07:57:28 AM  

urban.derelict: 'arms' does not necessarily mean 'guns' but can also mean knives, etc. however you will not see the NRA defending such because, well, the NRA does not endorse knives, only firearms


Problem is your dealing with a government that, when it can't get what it wants, tries to nickle and dime you into the corner anyway.

They would rather arms means guns because they can then legitimately control everything that doesn't shoot bullets. When they say guns they like it to mean specific kinds of guns with a limited number of actions and in the fewest calibers possible, and that the guns must be registered on a list you can't register things on with a stamp they wont sell you.
They love the idea of training requirements because it means they can hold said training on a mountaintop, every seventh Monday of the year, and require all the attendants bring a pound of weed to enter the classroom.

The bill of rights was written in broad language because politicians were always jackasses.
As such it would be nice to have organizations that defend constitutional rights as they are written.
Since the NRA doesn't do that, it makes them more representative of hunting and plinking than gun rights.
 
2011-10-16 09:41:40 AM  
Here's what likely happened.

The dude went to clean his 9mm glock, but didn't check to ensure that it wasn't loaded. To take down a glock, you have to de-cock the firing mechanism. The only way to de-cock a glock is to pull the damn trigger. BOOOM!

Mr. Dumbass forgot to check, recheck, and double recheck to make sure the gun wasn't loaded before he de-cocked the firing mechanism.

/one of many reasons I own Springfield XDm's, don't have to de-cock the firing mechanism to remove the slide.
 
2011-10-16 10:25:19 AM  
blog.nola.com
Can do both.

/hot like her
 
2011-10-16 10:27:03 AM  
Subby clearly hasn't seen me clean silverware.
 
2011-10-16 10:33:35 AM  

lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.


You're in WAY too late for that, homie.
 
2011-10-16 10:34:09 AM  
Why is it that Every Time there is a story about somebody doing something dumb with a gun it is a "Glock"? Are Glocks really that easy to fark up with or are the writers too stupid to know that there is more than one brand of gun out there?
 
2011-10-16 10:42:04 AM  

ex-nuke: Why is it that Every Time there is a story about somebody doing something dumb with a gun it is a "Glock"? Are Glocks really that easy to fark up with or are the writers too stupid to know that there is more than one brand of gun out there?


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2011-10-16 11:08:51 AM  

smeag0l: Before you get a gun you're required to enroll in a rigorous two week minimum training course. After which if you're not crazy or stupid you get a gun.


No course is going to fix this. It's not that these people don't know how to safely clean a gun, they're just too lazy to do it right.

ex-nuke: Why is it that Every Time there is a story about somebody doing something dumb with a gun it is a "Glock"? Are Glocks really that easy to fark up with or are the writers too stupid to know that there is more than one brand of gun out there?


If the gun had been, for instance, an XD this accident wouldn't have happened. The XD has to be taken to slide-lock before you can flip the take-down lever. That effectively requires the user to check the chamber before pulling the trigger.

/flame on
 
2011-10-16 11:51:31 AM  
Subby obviously didn't know my mother growing up.

/aneurysm every time
 
2011-10-16 12:06:47 PM  
lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.


Responsible gun owners also don't want stupid people to have guns. They tend to do stupid shiat like this that gets anti-gun folk demanding that all guns taken away, or in an attempt to sound 'reasonable' suggest that only 'stupid' people have their guns taken away (without offering any suggestions on how to create a law that only affects stupid people).

urban.derelict: 'arms' does not necessarily mean 'guns' but can also mean knives, etc. however you will not see the NRA defending such because, well, the NRA does not endorse knives, only firearms

Yes. How idiotic of the National RIFLE Association to not spend all their time lobbying for knives.
 
2011-10-16 12:51:08 PM  

starsrift: smeag0l: We should implement the Swiss system gun advocates keep reposting. Before you get a gun you're required to enroll in a rigorous two week minimum training course. After which if you're not crazy or stupid you get a gun.

The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.

You know, as sensitive a subject as an armed forces draft is, a number of first world nations have a short one-two year mandatory draft upon completion of HS. It's not unreasonable.


However, how many teenagers that graduate high school are actually "fit" for military duty? Beside, I volunteered and want to be here. I don't want some asshat who was forced to be here to be the one covering my behind. Maybe some other civil service?
 
2011-10-16 01:42:54 PM  

jamspoon: I always assume that "gun discharged while being cleaned" is as euphemism for family dispute involving firearm where the victim does not want to press changes..


This. Cleaning a gun requires a field stripping. You know, making the gun inoperable to fire. To field strip a glock you need to rack the slide back. Which would eject the round in the chamber. If he was just wiping down the exterior, why was he doing it with it loaded and his finger on the trigger? glocks don't just "go off" like that. Any time I hear of a discharge while it was being cleaned, I automatically know that is code for a negligent discharge. Thinking "no body will know, I was just cleaning it!"

Bull mess.
 
2011-10-16 03:12:54 PM  

lymond01: And this is why some people want gun restrictions and better regulation. It's all fine to have a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms is important for all kinds of reasons.

We just don't want stupid people to have guns. That's really the only problem.


I don't want stupid people doing a lot of things, like teaching kids, driving cars, writing computer software, guarding convicts, and voting. Try to mandate an IQ test for any of that, though, and see what happens.
 
2011-10-16 06:05:02 PM  

speedycat: This. Cleaning a gun requires a field stripping. You know, making the gun inoperable to fire. To field strip a glock you need to rack the slide back. Which would eject the round in the chamber.


You don't have to pull the slide back first to field strip a Glock. You pull the trigger and then you then pull the slide back a little to pull down on the slide release tabs. Of course, before all of that, you drop the magazine, rack the slide to eject any round left in the chamber, and pull the slide again to visually inspect the chamber. That's probably what this guy failed to do.

I've read of people having negligent discharges because they carelessly rack the slide to clear the chamber and then drop the magazine, and then pull the trigger to dry fire. Whoops! All they did was load another round into the chamber, while thinking it is empty. When they go to pull the trigger they'd better hope it is pointed in the least destructive direction.

Even if I am 100% certain I have cleared the gun, I still point it in the least destructive direction if I need to pull the trigger. I hold it with a normal grip and fully expect it to fire. I've never allowed myself to get comfortable with mindlessly pulling the trigger even if I "know" it is unloaded. As the first rule indicates, treat all guns as if they are loaded.

Regardless, he had a negligent discharge and not an accidental discharge as stated in the article.
 
2011-10-16 08:59:47 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: What kind of inbred trash cleans his gun at the dining room table??

By the way, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "dining room table" in this case doesn't describe French provincial with a linen tablecloth and silver candlesticks.

Mom sounds like she was lucky. Bet she gets a nice Christmas present - a NEW vacuum cleaner, not just reconditioned from the thrift store.


So my mom manages a small apartment complex in Oklahoma City and a lot of airmen from the local Air Force base rent there. Well last year a young airman was cleaning his new gun in his dining room and it discharged. The bullet traveled through the wall killing the woman who lived in the apartment next door.

This was on a Friday night. When Monday rolled around he supposedly went into the office to ask my mother if anyone lived in that apartment. He said he saw lights on but didn't know if anyone lived there. Well, she asked him why he was asking and he told her. Instead of notifying anyone, he waited all weekend, tried knocking on the door, but there was no answer. He didn't say why he didn't call the police. Of course, she had to go over to the apartment to check. She was slumped over in a chair in her living room. And the bouquet was quite pungent.

They called the police, the military got involved and charges were filed against him. My mom was subpoenaed to testify against him.

So it's not just inbred redneck trash. It takes all kinds to do stuff like that.

/CSB
 
2011-10-17 12:57:28 PM  

smeag0l: The right to bear arms for forming a well regulated militia shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to own and use one.


The right to vote shouldn't absolve the individual from proving competence to go to the polls. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. EG: the Tea Party.

That's the problem with rights: everyone gets them. Even people who really shouldn't.
 
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