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(Daily Mail)   Catholic church steals, sells 300,000 babies in Spain over 50 years. Well, they have to make money somehow   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 136
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2011-10-15 08:29:47 PM  
If you can think of a more efficient way to fark children, submitter, then I'd like to hear it.
 
2011-10-15 08:30:51 PM  
This seems too absurd and cartoony evil to be true.
 
2011-10-15 08:38:29 PM  
They're worth more when you sell them for spare parts.
 
2011-10-15 08:42:50 PM  
The Catholic Church. Is there anything it can't do?

/give your children unto the lord, etc.
 
2011-10-15 08:59:22 PM  
I can't help but wonder how much more the babies would have been worth if sold by someone else brand spanking new.
 
2011-10-15 09:12:38 PM  
Another reason the church must go.
 
2011-10-15 09:51:30 PM  

teto85: Another reason the church must go.


Amen.
 
2011-10-15 11:53:15 PM  
Truly farking sad
 
2011-10-15 11:59:37 PM  

GAT_00: This seems too absurd and cartoony evil to be true.


So did priests diddling alter boys, having the church reassign the offenders when complaints arise, diddle more boys, more reassignment, still more diddling, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
 
2011-10-16 12:04:37 AM  
Wow... that is just awful. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that church, and the people who continue giving money to it?
 
2011-10-16 12:12:04 AM  

LadyHawke: Wow... that is just awful. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that church, and the people who continue giving money to it?


Heavy, heavy guilt trips indoctrinated when people are young.

Even those of us who escape for the most part, can still feel the guilt and fear that comes with it.

/12 years of Catholic school.
 
2011-10-16 12:19:29 AM  
Classy!
 
2011-10-16 12:23:02 AM  
This can't be true. There's no way a just and caring God would allow his church to do this. Clearly this is just anti-Catholicism lies and slander.
 
2011-10-16 12:45:14 AM  

bigpeeler: teto85: Another reason the church must go.

Amen.


lolebrity.net
 
2011-10-16 12:53:06 AM  
Wow, I've heard of tithing, but this is something else.


cmunic8r99: GAT_00: This seems too absurd and cartoony evil to be true.

So did priests diddling alter boys, having the church reassign the offenders when complaints arise, diddle more boys, more reassignment, still more diddling, etc. etc. ad nauseum.


Yeah, but we're into mustache twirling, Snidely Whiplash territory now.
 
2011-10-16 01:37:51 AM  
Why can't stuff like this be on BBC America?
 
2011-10-16 01:42:47 AM  
The difference is this: genetic testing. In the last 10 years we've developed the ability to find birth parents in a way that bypasses every obstacle except the birth parents and the adoptee. And if directly done, it's foolproof. We'll probably see a surge in genetic testing, certainly among the heretics and apostates. The Church will never recover while these decrepit Soviet-style old men run the world, and this acid hypocrisy seeps towards the altar.
 
2011-10-16 01:45:11 AM  
OK I'm still just shaking my head at this.

Looked up Katya Adler, nothing seems fishy. Has worked for the BBC.
Found a separate story about Spanish baby theft/adoption from January:
Link (new window)

Seriously, though, 15% of adoptions? 300 thousand babies over 50 years? And it never came to light until now?
Numbers just seem too fantastical to be true. Crazy.
 
2011-10-16 01:51:28 AM  
this story is nothing new, I remember Time did a piece on it a few years ago and it was covered on Frontline or something a year or two back.

The same thing happened in Ireland (that story came to light in 1996).

It is a horrific story and kudos to the BBC for giving it the continuing coverage that it deserves.

/sad and shameful wherever and whenever this has happened
//probably still happening in some places
 
2011-10-16 01:51:54 AM  
That number seems ridiculous. Regardless, I blame Franco.
 
2011-10-16 01:58:26 AM  
How truly evil and Satanic.

OMG...JACK CHICK WAS RIGHT!!
 
2011-10-16 02:18:22 AM  

violentsalvation: That number seems ridiculous. Regardless, I blame Franco.


It does seem high ...

300,000 / 50 years = 6,000 year / 12 = 500 month = 17 a day. Over 50 years, the population grew from approximately 28 million to 40 million. Let's assume that this was stronger in the early years of Franco's regime and weakened with his death in the 1975, despite the neo-fascist royalist puppets, but tapered off. But 17 a day seems high. Let's cut it to 1.7 a day: then it's 30,000.

It's still 30,000.
 
2011-10-16 02:44:16 AM  

Uncle Wiggly: That number seems ridiculous. Regardless, I blame Franco.

It does seem high ...


That number seems to come from an adoption lawyer named Enrique Vila, who calculated it as 15% of Spain's total adoptions between 1960 and 1989. Considering the official sanction from the Government and the Church, the money involved, and the ready-made justification that the thieves were saving a baby's soul, I can believe it.

Besides....

i.dailymail.co.uk
Kidnapping babies is fun!
 
2011-10-16 06:29:17 AM  

GAT_00: This seems too absurd and cartoony evil to be true.


Back in the days of the Vatican States, if a Jewish child was put up for adoption, it could only be adopted by a Catholic family. Jewish children were forced to attend Catholic Sunday school. And here and there a Jewish family would find itself losing a child for rather nebulous reasons, and when that happened, they weren't allowed to try to get the child back.
 
2011-10-16 07:22:51 AM  

bigpeeler: teto85: Another reason the church must go.

Amen.

The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco's dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.


Another reason Doctors and Nurses should go!

There's no proof that knowledge of this existed beyond the Spanish Churches - no mention of a Vatican blessing.

It began as a system for taking children away from families deemed politically dangerous to the regime of General Franco, which began in 1939.


Funny, that seems like a secular reason and not a spiritual one. The program started to keep the politically incorrect people from propogating, *not* saving a childs soul. Sure, once Franco was gone it became a well intentioned road to hell, but how many people here on Fark shout down about the need for the poor and destitute to not have children?

Many people, atheists included, end up taking a wrong path when trying to do good, people of faith are not immune to it, nor should they be more harshly critisized for it. End the practice, do a case by case basis investigation and punish those responsible but do not lump the entire faith in with this mess.

It's like saying we should end the public school system because teachers keep farking kids who trust them.
 
2011-10-16 07:27:25 AM  
Yay, religion.
 
2011-10-16 07:52:17 AM  
I was going to order one but their anuses were all too stretched out.
 
2011-10-16 08:01:30 AM  
They were rounding up funds for the Catholic Buttfarker Defense Fund.
 
2011-10-16 08:03:27 AM  
Yet another distortion of the Free Market. Because the sales went through the inefficient bureaucracy of the Church, they reflected the Will of the Market no more than if they had gone through that other den of theivery, The Government.

If the babies went on the open market, free of interference by the meddling Church or kleptocratic Government, then the allocation of baby resources, price structure, etc. would have reflected the true will of the people, and the Invisible Hand would have created the most utility for the most people.

As soon as we abolish all churches and governments, we will all see a 40% increase in the efficiency of our spent dollars, and materials, assets, and consumer goods will be allocated in the most efficient manner possible.

.
 
2011-10-16 08:05:34 AM  
Hey, I can't blame them. Little boys are hard to come by these days.

/gotta get them before they turn teh ghey...makes for better molestation
 
2011-10-16 08:09:48 AM  
All of you so far have missed that the adult male they're showing who was one of the kidnapped/sold infants was named Randy Ryder. RANDY RYDER?

Who the hell bought/adopted him? A porn producer?
 
2011-10-16 08:10:08 AM  
TFA: In some cases, babies' graves have been exhumed, revealing bones that belong to adults or animals. Some of the graves contained nothing at all.

In latest news: journalist investigating this case was beheaded in freak accident
 
2011-10-16 08:13:48 AM  
i don't like the spanish. they are too flamboyant, and eat weird food.
 
2011-10-16 08:13:53 AM  

CanisNoir: bigpeeler: teto85: Another reason the church must go.

Amen.

The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco's dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.


Another reason Doctors and Nurses should go!

There's no proof that knowledge of this existed beyond the Spanish Churches - no mention of a Vatican blessing.

It began as a system for taking children away from families deemed politically dangerous to the regime of General Franco, which began in 1939.


Funny, that seems like a secular reason and not a spiritual one. The program started to keep the politically incorrect people from propogating, *not* saving a childs soul. Sure, once Franco was gone it became a well intentioned road to hell, but how many people here on Fark shout down about the need for the poor and destitute to not have children?

Many people, atheists included, end up taking a wrong path when trying to do good, people of faith are not immune to it, nor should they be more harshly critisized for it. End the practice, do a case by case basis investigation and punish those responsible but do not lump the entire faith in with this mess.

It's like saying we should end the public school system because teachers keep farking kids who trust them.


My original intent was going to be to say that the species is the problem here, not the Catholic church. Then I see poutrage at the very suggestion that the Vatican might have known.

"There's no proof that knowledge of this existed beyond the Spanish Churches - no mention of a Vatican blessing."

Uh huh. There's no proof that the Vatican winked at genocide. There's no proof that the Vatican supported bishops who moved known child molesters from parish to parish to prevent a scandal.

"It's like saying we should end the public school system because teachers keep farking kids who trust them."

How many people does it take to abuse a child? One.

How many people does it take to seize a child from a single mother, convince her that the baby is dead, and no, she can't see the body, no she can't go to the funeral, then arrange for an adoption by "pious" parents, get all the right signatures forged, and keep the whole thing hushed up?

Maybe another way of putting this is, how many people would it take to create a child porn ring that benefits the school district financially, make sure that the vulnerable single mothers of the children involved are kept in the dark, or kept shut up, and the porn is distributed profitably?

Can a single teacher do that?

How many people does it take to keep shuffling known child abusers from parish school district to school district, making sure that the right bishops school district superintendants are paid off, or on board, or kept in the dark?

One priest teacher?

Now just one more question. How many sex-obsessed Vatican-can't-be-blamed sex-is-always-evil condoms-spread-AIDS Catholics want the Department of Education abolished because they think it turns their daughters into harlots?
 
2011-10-16 08:17:41 AM  
A lot of people should consider the other side before they go ahead and condemn the Catholic church over this. I, for one, was able to purchase three babies this way and they were all delicious. Mmmm... infant paella.
 
2011-10-16 08:17:43 AM  
It was done for the betterment of the children, they took them from single mothers who had conceived them in sin and gave them to good catholics couples who would raise them with the right values.

See? it is easy to justify such shiat, and if at a later point someone points out that it might not have been totally okay, ethically speaking, you can always point to how it started under a dictatorship and how everyone was doing it and how it was a different time and culture back then, and how you shouldn't judge these people, how the catholic church was investigating it as an internal matter and secular authorities have no place in it and how you are some sort of anti-clerical fascistic for picking on the church and digging up ancient dirt instead of letting sleeping dogs lie.

Similar arguments were used to protect the church, when people thought justice for the mass imprisonment in labor camps of 'at risk' young woman at the hand of the church in Ireland and elsewhere throughout the first three quarters of the twentieths century. ( Look up Magdalene asylum )

The problem here is not really the catholic church per se. The problem is that you have a group that claims unquestionable moral authority without any real oversight. So when a priests or nun does something that is supposedly for the greater good you can't tell them they are wrong. They are the moral authority and the whole concept of organized religion pretty much means that you can't argue with them. You can't use logic on them, you can't vote on it, you can't point on what everyone else thinks, because the correct definition of right and wrong comes from the church, holding them accountable by the standards of some outside group would pretty much undermine the whole point of having an organized religion. The only one who can correct them is someone higher up in the church hierarchy and they have so far shown little interest in doing so.

You get pretty much the same problem in any group where you can't actually question the teachings, religions and extremist political ideologies are pretty much the same that way. If you disagree with the teachings you are unpatriotic, a traitor, a commie or a traitor to communism depending on where and when you voice your questions. The only defense against getting into such situations is to have no authorities that are unfailing, always allow anyone to critically review everything and have nothing that in completely unquestionable. Doing this for political movements is possible, with religions who are based on blind faith it is much harder, which is why the catholic church is such a prime incubator for evil.
 
2011-10-16 08:20:42 AM  
Australia here, we used to seperate kids from Aboriginal families and single mothers as well up until the 70's.

They call the Aboriginals the "stolen generation" but there is no name for the kids taken off single mothers, as everyone knows the "stupid whores who cant keep their legs shut don't deserve an opinion".

Seriously - that's the logic...
 
2011-10-16 08:29:07 AM  

Loki-L: It was done for the betterment of the children, they took them from single mothers who had conceived them in sin and gave them to good catholics couples who would raise them with the right values.

See? it is easy to justify such shiat, and if at a later point someone points out that it might not have been totally okay, ethically speaking, you can always point to how it started under a dictatorship and how everyone was doing it and how it was a different time and culture back then, and how you shouldn't judge these people, how the catholic church was investigating it as an internal matter and secular authorities have no place in it and how you are some sort of anti-clerical fascistic for picking on the church and digging up ancient dirt instead of letting sleeping dogs lie.

Similar arguments were used to protect the church, when people thought justice for the mass imprisonment in labor camps of 'at risk' young woman at the hand of the church in Ireland and elsewhere throughout the first three quarters of the twentieths century. ( Look up Magdalene asylum )

The problem here is not really the catholic church per se. The problem is that you have a group that claims unquestionable moral authority without any real oversight. So when a priests or nun does something that is supposedly for the greater good you can't tell them they are wrong. They are the moral authority and the whole concept of organized religion pretty much means that you can't argue with them. You can't use logic on them, you can't vote on it, you can't point on what everyone else thinks, because the correct definition of right and wrong comes from the church, holding them accountable by the standards of some outside group would pretty much undermine the whole point of having an organized religion. The only one who can correct them is someone higher up in the church hierarchy and they have so far shown little interest in doing so.

You get pretty much the same problem in any group where you can't actually question the teachings, religions and extremist political ideologies are pretty much the same that way. If you disagree with the teachings you are unpatriotic, a traitor, a commie or a traitor to communism depending on where and when you voice your questions. The only defense against getting into such situations is to have no authorities that are unfailing, always allow anyone to critically review everything and have nothing that in completely unquestionable. Doing this for political movements is possible, with religions who are based on blind faith it is much harder, which is why the catholic church is such a prime incubator for evil.

There was a movie made about the sisters of Magdalene - depressing as hell.
 
2011-10-16 08:29:20 AM  
Were any of them born to jackals?
 
2011-10-16 08:32:50 AM  
I never cease to be amazed that anyone would show up to cheer the pope.
 
2011-10-16 08:33:58 AM  

fusillade762: Wow, I've heard of tithing, but this is something else.

What's tithing, teething, whats a couple vowels between friends?

 
2011-10-16 08:39:04 AM  
Perfectly explains why they are so vehemently anti-abortion. It reduces inventory.
 
2011-10-16 08:40:00 AM  

Ed Finnerty: I was going to order one but their anuses were all too stretched out.


Bastard. It's not easy to get coffee stains out of flannel.
 
2011-10-16 08:41:50 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: OK I'm still just shaking my head at this.

Looked up Katya Adler, nothing seems fishy. Has worked for the BBC.
Found a separate story about Spanish baby theft/adoption from January:
Link (new window)

Seriously, though, 15% of adoptions? 300 thousand babies over 50 years? And it never came to light until now?
Numbers just seem too fantastical to be true. Crazy.


This story has been circulating for years. It came up again when the Irish laundry slavery story was made into a movie. There are so many stories of really weird shait the church has pulled in the last 70 years (during and after WWII) it would make you vomit. We only know about a few. Consider for a second what we don't know, and most likely never will.

Farking bastard farktards scum suckers.
 
2011-10-16 08:44:15 AM  
From birth until death, your body belongs to the Catholic Church.
 
2011-10-16 08:44:24 AM  
This doesn't surprise me. I drove through a good portion of Southern Spain as a kid and one of the memories I came away with was of the small towns with gigantic cathedrals. It seemed like it took more man-hours to build the cathedral than it took to build the rest of the town. The Church apparently owns everything and everyone. GIS image (new window) of the sort of thing I remember.
 
2011-10-16 08:45:03 AM  

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: Perfectly explains why they are so vehemently anti-abortion. It reduces inventory.


Absolutely. How much does a baby sell for anyhow?
 
2011-10-16 08:45:51 AM  
This must be where Madonna and Angelina Jolie got the idea to "adopt" African orphans.
 
2011-10-16 08:52:49 AM  

CanisNoir: bigpeeler: teto85: Another reason the church must go.

Amen.

The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco's dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.


Another reason Doctors and Nurses should go!

There's no proof that knowledge of this existed beyond the Spanish Churches - no mention of a Vatican blessing.

It began as a system for taking children away from families deemed politically dangerous to the regime of General Franco, which began in 1939.


Funny, that seems like a secular reason and not a spiritual one. The program started to keep the politically incorrect people from propogating, *not* saving a childs soul. Sure, once Franco was gone it became a well intentioned road to hell, but how many people here on Fark shout down about the need for the poor and destitute to not have children?

Many people, atheists included, end up taking a wrong path when trying to do good, people of faith are not immune to it, nor should they be more harshly critisized for it. End the practice, do a case by case basis investigation and punish those responsible but do not lump the entire faith in with this mess.

It's like saying we should end the public school system because teachers keep farking kids who trust them.


People of faith whose job it is to MORALLY guide and protect those in need around them must ABSOLUTELY be held to a higher standard. These people claim guidance from divinity. They claim that their god guides them through miracles and prayers. By sheer volume this must have been a widespread operation, is the Vatican really that easy to fool, or is it more likely they turned a blind eye to it in an effort to keep it quiet? Do not defend them. You want people to respect your faith, then make sure that it's open and pure. Don't let power hungry humans ruin it. Also the doctors and nurses in catholic hospitals probably weren't "secular", they were most likely among the faithful. Yes atheism has done wrong, but credit where credit is due, this shiat is full on Jebus worship.
 
2011-10-16 08:53:14 AM  
This calls for an inquiry

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