Can anyone name the last administration you'd say was transparent? When I was born, it was the tail end of Carter, and I was too young to remember Reagan but it seems to me they've been pretty much like this all of my life.

FTFA: The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush

/did that set off your outrage too, subby?
//not saying it's right, but it's certainly nothing new

Question: From what I know, White House logs maintained by the Secret Service have personal information in them, including Social Security numbers. Are these redacted when this information is handed over, or is highly personal information handed over without restriction to Congress, a body not known for respect of personal information and high security levels?

nekom: Can anyone name the last administration you'd say was transparent? When I was born, it was the tail end of Carter, and I was too young to remember Reagan but it seems to me they've been pretty much like this all of my life.

None of them have been transparent, but then again they didn't say they were going to be transparent.

/been voting since Reagan and this administration has been more transparent than most, IMO

Transparency: transˈpe(ə)rənsē noun: 1.free from pretense or deceit. synonym: Frank. Antonym: Obama EVERY administration

FTFY subtard

Any person who aspires to hold a political office will say anything it takes to get there and then do whatever it takes to stay there.

HeadKase: Any person who aspires to hold a political office will say anything it takes to get there and then do whatever it takes to stay there.

Unfortunately this seems to be true.

HeadKase: Any person who aspires to hold a political office will say anything it takes to get there and then do whatever it takes to stay there.

QFT

FireBreathingLiberal: That's racist!

You only vote opaque?

"WE'RE HERE, WE'RE CLEAR, GET USE TO IT!!"

i love how you mouth breathing wingnuts are only just concerned about transparency now. just like you're only just concerned about the deficit now. assholes.

AlwaysRightBoy: None of them have been transparent, but then again they didn't say they were going to be transparent.

/been voting since Reagan and this administration has been more transparent than most, IMO

I think it's more of a `nature of the beast' thing than it is a criticism of any particular administration.

GAT_00: Question: From what I know, White House logs maintained by the Secret Service have personal information in them, including Social Security numbers. Are these redacted when this information is handed over, or is highly personal information handed over without restriction to Congress, a body not known for respect of personal information and high security levels?

They would have to be redacted or else it would be a breach of Personally Identifiable Information (PII) which is an even larger headache in some cases than handling FOIA requests. After the VA lost that laptop containing many thousands of SSNs and other types of sensitive PII, a law was passed that requires extremely stiff reporting deadlines for breaches of PII.

If the record is 100% PII, there is an exception category to FOIA requests that (might) exempt it from release under FOIA. Note that there is no guaranteed exemption when it comes to FOIA, and to be exempt a request must be for information falling under one of nine specifically defined categories. Some are very blunt in what is exempt such as classified national security information or the geographical location of wells. See here (new window) for list and details of FOIA exemptions. I don't care to get into a discussion over which exemption may apply in this case, but most of them can be ruled out immediately.

Dr. Forrester: Knuckleheads... I'll have you know that Frank is not transparent. In fact, if you look to my left, he's right... uh...


Dr. Forrester: FRANK!


TV's Frank: I'm right here, Dr. F. Sorry. I was just in the bathroom.
Dr. Forrester: Gaaah! Frank, don't do that.


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nekom: Can anyone name the last administration you'd say was transparent? When I was born, it was the tail end of Carter, and I was too young to remember Reagan but it seems to me they've been pretty much like this all of my life.

wouldnt it be easy to release the logs for the last 20-40 years?
If Obama is being forced to release last years records, the correct thing to do is release ALL records.

why the fark would you do one without the other??

nekom: AlwaysRightBoy: None of them have been transparent, but then again they didn't say they were going to be transparent.

/been voting since Reagan and this administration has been more transparent than most, IMO

I think it's more of a `nature of the beast' thing than it is a criticism of any particular administration.

You would be correct. It's a fine line every administration hast to walk.
/for many, many reasons

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Transparency: transˈpe(ə)rənsē noun: 1.free from pretense or deceit. synonym: Frank. Antonym: Obama EVERY administration

FTFY subtard

I don't remember Bush running on a platform of Open and Transparent. I can't remember Clinton doing that either. I could be wrong, can you source?

OK, let's broaden it: all administrations make promises they break.

Does that ring a bell? Or does only that one promise count?

veedeevadeevoodee: [67.18.219.83 image 240x111]

/ what a wonderful afternoon for butthurt
// politicians from both parties using the same lame tactics? COLOR ME SHOCKED

I'm missing something...where's the butthurt?

Lionel Mandrake: I'm missing something...where's the butthurt?

I mean, other than your whiny graphic

Big farking deal. Does anyone besides right-wingers looking for more reasons to hate Obama really give two shiats about this? How about doing something to help fix the country besides trying to blame everything on Obama, you assholes?

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Transparency: transˈpe(ə)rənsē noun: 1.free from pretense or deceit. synonym: Frank. Antonym: Obama EVERY administration

FTFY subtard

I don't remember Bush running on a platform of Open and Transparent. I can't remember Clinton doing that either. I could be wrong, can you source?

This has already been accomplished (new window) and is just one of the great many accomplishments of this administration.

You can find piles of Federal Government information at Data.Gov (new window), noneof which was available prior to this implementation. If there is any Federal Agency which does not have an obvious "Open Government" section on their website, you can report this discrepancy on Data.Gov's Contact Page (new window).

Please note that there are still exemptions to the FOIA request process and that not all Federal Government information is appropriate for release to the public. In fact, if you would like to read up on future information policy, check out Controlled Unclassified Information (new window) which may be implemented in the next three or four years. It is a revamp of Sensitive But Unclassified categorizations initiated by President Bush for the protection of Unclassified information that cannot be released to the general public. Remember, Unclassified does not mean approved for public release.

IlGreven: AlwaysRightBoy: None of them have been transparent, but then again they didn't say they were going to be transparent.

Stop protecting them. Stop making excuses for them. And stop saying it was all right because they didn't say they were going to change.

/And stop saying "I never said that", because you just did.

I said wat?

veedeevadeevoodee: Lionel Mandrake:

I'm missing something...where's the butthurt?

FlashHarry:

i love how you mouth breathing wingnuts are only just concerned about transparency now. just like you're only just concerned about the deficit now. assholes.

/ you must have him ignored

You perceive one guy as upset, so you paint the thread butthurt? OOOOOOOOOOKAAAAAY

Next time, try to focus a bit more, k?

Meatzilla: [img2.newser.com image 440x280] (new window)

 

/meanwhile ........ so forth and so on

As usual, your informative and hilarious graphic had turned me to your side. And on top of it, you provided links showing that Obama is acting like every President before him, and likely every one after him.

You are just so damn awesome.