$105? Can that possibly be right? Holy fark.

ZAZ: What's the market rate for a fully disassembled bureaucrat-cum-politician?

Cum politicians? Dime a dozen.

The port authority people are the real crooks in this case. People should grow some damn balls and just refuse to pay the tolls for a week or two. fark them

What is with this toll shiat? I thought gas tax and vehicle registration was supposed to cover it.

/no tolls within 400 miles of my home, and I still think it is unfair

Wait, you have to pay to go to New Jersey?

domo_kun_sai: Wait, you have to pay to go to New Jersey?

Most likely you have to pay to leave Jersey.

I don't know enough about NYC, so why is the port authority collecting road tolls? And why are they using these tolls to build a building? Wouldn't city and state bond issues typically be the way to pay for this?

domo_kun_sai: Wait, you have to pay to go to New Jersey?

It's free to get in to the shiathole, but when you want to leave (escape is more like it) the government sponsered thieves stick it in your pooper big time.

$105 toll? Who's the crook here? Throw the port authority people in jail instead.

ZAZ: why is the port authority collecting road tolls

The Port Authority is responsible for transportation in and near NYC, except when some other agency is responsible. What I want to know is why is the Port Authority building skyscrapers?

According to Wikipedia, "The idea for the Port Authority was conceived during the Progressive Era, which aimed at the reduction of political corruption and at increasing the efficiency of government."

Weren't those the bad guys in Firefly?

ZAZ: Truck drivers have complained about steep toll increases that the Port Authority says it needs to finish building the new World Trade Center. By 2016, a five-axle truck will have to pay $105 to cross the bridge.

And with the WTC bringing in rents the authority will find some other excuse to keep raising tolls.

Well, part of this policy is also related to congestion easing. They're trying to force/encourage more of the cargo to come in via ship and train.

h3cubus: domo_kun_sai: Wait, you have to pay to go to New Jersey?

It's free to get in to the shiathole, but when you want to leave (escape is more like it) the government sponsered thieves stick it in your pooper big time.

Been there briefly to get to Jersey City to pick up a sailboat. I had to roll up the windows against the stink at times.

ZAZ: why is the port authority collecting road tolls

The Port Authority is responsible for transportation in and near NYC."

Not quite. They are responsible for for ports and crossings. In other words, just bridges, tunnels, water ports and airports. And even that that, they are largely not responsible for bridges within NYC itself (Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queensborough Bridges.

IIRC, their sphere of influence is a 50 mile circle centered at the statue of liberty. Which is why the Tappan Zee bridge is as far north as it is.

The PA has a sweet deal. They are not tied to control by either NY or NJ, so they do pretty much whatever they want. Including the ability to own land under their own name, such as the WTC site.

Burglar tools? Well large trucks do have a long bar used to tighten down the straps on loads. It is also useful to crush skulls of those who keep raising tolls to make up for incompetent management of funds.

Satanic_Hamster: ZAZ: Truck drivers have complained about steep toll increases that the Port Authority says it needs to finish building the new World Trade Center. By 2016, a five-axle truck will have to pay $105 to cross the bridge.

And with the WTC bringing in rents the authority will find some other excuse to keep raising tolls.

Well, part of this policy is also related to congestion easing. They're trying to force/encourage more of the cargo to come in via ship and train.

But this is America where it's everyone's god-given-right to drive wherever they want, and impeding that makes you a socialist.

Police impounded the truck. Vaquiz, 36, was charged with theft of service, possession of burglar tools and eluding arrest.

Wouldn't 'eluding' mean he got away?

I assume it's just a more serious charge than 'avoiding arrest'. He went around a turn and the officers lost sight of him for a few seconds. "Crap he got away!"

Perhaps taxing the people and industries who are going are going to inhabit the new world trade center would be a fairer solution. Scratches head and wonders who that is while doing best James Dean.

So they collect taxes and provide nothing in return? The P.A. are the thieves.

Phone_Answering_Monkey: Police impounded the truck. Vaquiz, 36, was charged with theft of service, possession of burglar tools and eluding arrest.

Wouldn't 'eluding' mean he got away?

I assume it's just a more serious charge than 'avoiding arrest'. He went around a turn and the officers lost sight of him for a few seconds. "Crap he got away!"

How about charging the Port Authority with theft of service?

Holy fark. From Canada so not familiar with tolls and such,I know it sounds like a dumb question but is that both ways you have to pay?? how is a independent trucker to make a living having to pay hundreds of dollars a day just to cross a bridge, not to mention your average commuter. Farkin' unreal.

Are all the bridges in New York doing this??

weirdneighbour: Holy fark. From Canada so not familiar with tolls and such,I know it sounds like a dumb question but is that both ways you have to pay?? how is a independent trucker to make a living having to pay hundreds of dollars a day just to cross a bridge, not to mention your average commuter. Farkin' unreal.

Trucks are paying $10 per axle. Regular commuters only pay $12. The toll is only for those escaping New Jersey, not those driving into it from New York.

ZAZ: ible for transportation in and near NYC, except when some other agency is responsible. What I want to know is why is the

(sarcasm)Sounds like that's working out wonderfully...(/sarcasm)

Almost all the crossings make you pay to get into NYC. Escaping from Manhattan is usually free. Except in Snakes case!

Sock Ruh Tease 2011-10-15 02:09:09 PM
weirdneighbour: Holy fark. From Canada so not familiar with tolls and such,I know it sounds like a dumb question but is that both ways you have to pay?? how is a independent trucker to make a living having to pay hundreds of dollars a day just to cross a bridge, not to mention your average commuter. Farkin' unreal.

Trucks are paying $10 per axle. Regular commuters only pay $12. The toll is only for those escaping New Jersey, not those driving into it from New York.

Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying, hence the paying to get out of New Jersey quips.

/should of taken more time to read article

i'm pay that. if the money went for ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILES ON THE ROOFS OF PROMINENT NYC buildings!

$105 per trip to rebuild the WTC?

The terrorists win again, dammit.

LineNoise 2011-10-15 02:33:39 PM
weirdneighbour: Are all the bridges in New York doing this??

There are about 5 different agencies that control the bridges and tunnels in this area, depending on which bridge. Some are free. Some are even more expensive.

The holland, lincoln, and GW bridge all have the same toll, and are controlled by the port authority

wow, thanks for info, sounds like hell for out of towners, thankful for Southern Ontarios little piddly rivers.

Oh man, there is literally no reason to go to NYC.

blindy the pirate: Wouldn't city and state bond issues typically be the way to pay for this?

No. That would require that citizens vote for it. The goal for the last couple of decades seems to be "I want X, but some other guy has to pay for it."

Since most 'citizens' don't drive multi axle trucks, they are not directly, visibly impacted on a daily basis. Ergo, 'the other guy' pays for it.

/even though it obviously drives up the price of goods across the board.
//Sin tax, hotel tax, fat tax, etc, etc....'the other guy'

They're charging that much for a toll and surprised at loosing 14mil in revenue from people running toll booths. I hate tolls, but understand them. Anything over $15 is just stupid. Espically for trucks that likely go back and forth regularly.

Why do they need tolls to pay for the WTC building, didn't insurance cover it?

weirdneighbour: Holy fark. From Canada so not familiar with tolls and such,I know it sounds like a dumb question but is that both ways you have to pay?? how is a independent trucker to make a living having to pay hundreds of dollars a day just to cross a bridge, not to mention your average commuter. Farkin' unreal.

Truckers work that into their rates when transporting to the city. This isn't a new few. No trucker is getting caught by surprise by it.

NBSV: They're charging that much for a toll and surprised at loosing 14mil in revenue from people running toll booths. I hate tolls, but understand them. Anything over $15 is just stupid. Espically for trucks that likely go back and forth regularly.

They're charging that to truckers, not to cars. Truckers aren't the ones running tolls. They have too much to lose; CDL punishments go different from regular drivers licenses punishments.

The trailer has 3 axles, the tractor has 4.

Piece of steel for the WTC . Made in Jersey, cost $91 in tolls to get it to the site.

ZAZ: What I want to know is why is the Port Authority building skyscrapers?

When the PA took over the bankrupt Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, now PATH, they inherited all the H&M's assets as well, including the H&M Terminal buildings at Liberty and West Streets. That site became the site of the Twin Towers.

Image too big arrrrrr.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/6007287270_836a20e346_b.jpg

That is motherfarking insane.

One thing I like about living in Germany: no tolls whatsoever (for cars) and Autobahns without speed limits.

LemSkroob: ZAZ: why is the port authority collecting road tolls

The Port Authority is responsible for transportation in and near NYC."

Not quite. They are responsible for for ports and crossings. In other words, just bridges, tunnels, water ports and airports. And even that that, they are largely not responsible for bridges within NYC itself (Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queensborough Bridges.

IIRC, their sphere of influence is a 50 mile circle centered at the statue of liberty. Which is why the Tappan Zee bridge is as far north as it is.

The PA has a sweet deal. They are not tied to control by either NY or NJ, so they do pretty much whatever they want. Including the ability to own land under their own name, such as the WTC site.

*googles to prove you wrong, because that just sounds assinine."

Well would you lookie there, you're mostly right, except it's 25 miles, not fifty. Damn. Learn something every day. (new window)

105$ is highway robbery. Literally.

As a kid with too much time and a habit of going too fast, I installed motorized plates on my car that at the flick of a switch covered the plates with fake ones I made in shop class. They said "Ticket This".

I also had individual control of every light on the car through a panel I built into the overhead to replace the standard "test" panel that most BMWs came with back then.

Not that I ever used those illegal modifications while driving on the road. NEVER! (that's my story, I'm sticking to it... you don't have video do you? OK good, sticking with it)

Lastly, anyone know what a set of Connie landing lights looks like in place of fog lamps? I do.

/I also know what insurance costs for a 19 year old with 4 speeding tickets, 1 reckless driving, and 1 speed racing ticket
//I keep the speed on the track these days. Mostly.

Here is the problem with charging truck drivers tolls.

The gov tolls the truck driver.
The truck driver charges the broker.
The broker charges the customer.
That $0.45 can of corn on the truck now costs you $0.46

/Truck driver