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2011-10-15 09:07:54 AM
Hu?

First Base.
 
2011-10-15 09:15:11 AM
You guessed it:

i46.photobucket.com
 
2011-10-15 09:37:22 AM
Who?
cdn.static.ovimg.com
 
2011-10-15 10:35:06 AM
Sum Yung Guy?
 
2011-10-15 10:38:28 AM
Wen did they send it?
 
2011-10-15 10:38:37 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Hu?

First Base.


I could go for some first base at the moment.

God I hate my job.
 
2011-10-15 10:41:43 AM
I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood
 
2011-10-15 10:42:11 AM
FTFA: The article quotes a teacher, Mei Yi, who says the postcards prove that in China, young people don't forget history.



A monkey cannot forget banana he never knew. Grain of rice was the same color before it was placed in pot.

These are examples of what Chinese might say if they had consistent history (redundant).
 
2011-10-15 10:44:45 AM

chaddsfarkprefect: FTFA: The article quotes a teacher, Mei Yi, who says the postcards prove that in China, young people don't forget history.



A monkey cannot forget banana he never knew. Grain of rice was the same color before it was placed in pot.

These are examples of what Chinese might say if they had consistent history (redundant).


If I may:

A monkey cannot forget
Banana he never knew

Grain of rice
--same color
Before it was placed
In pot

Consistent history
 
2011-10-15 10:46:14 AM
They figured it out, I didn't think they had a snowball's Chan. Guess I was Wong.
 
2011-10-15 10:47:46 AM

Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood


Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.
 
2011-10-15 10:49:28 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.
 
2011-10-15 10:49:40 AM
Some San Francisco cocksucker.
 
2011-10-15 10:50:28 AM

HMS_Blinkin: The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Some people would argue that the strategic bombing of large and medium sized cities in Japan, Germany and occupied central Europe were just as bad.
 
2011-10-15 10:53:51 AM

Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.


What the hell were we supposed to bomb them with, flowers?
 
2011-10-15 10:55:11 AM

chaddsfarkprefect: FTFA: The article quotes a teacher, Mei Yi, who says the postcards prove that in China, young people don't forget history.


Unless that history happened during the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, or April - June of 1989.
 
2011-10-15 10:56:44 AM

rebelyell2006: HMS_Blinkin: The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Some people would argue that the strategic bombing of large and medium sized cities in Japan, Germany and occupied central Europe were just as bad.


Had things like, GPS guided smart bombs existed, sure, you may have an argument.

However back then it was, "we need to knock out this factory. Unfortunately the accuracy of our weapons is measured in miles, not feet."
 
2011-10-15 10:57:18 AM

BarbadoSlim: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

What the hell were we supposed to bomb them with, flowers?


Well maybe I should have been more specific. The bombing campaign was intended to maximize civilian deaths. Bear in mind that Curtis LeMay said that if the Allies had lost the war, he'd have been tried as a war criminal.
 
2011-10-15 10:57:23 AM
HMS_Blinkin Quote 2011-10-15 10:47:46 AM
Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Well, I reckon someone will also bring up Allied civiilian bombings like Dresden Tokyo, and Nagasaki/Hiroshimi.

Personally, after hearing my grandparent's stories of all the fun times in Japanese-held territory, I'm not sure I have much sympathy.
 
2011-10-15 10:57:53 AM
i129.photobucket.com
Alright, who mentioned the war?!
 
2011-10-15 11:13:05 AM

Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood


You sound German. So stick a wurst in your schnitzel hole you Hun bastard.
 
2011-10-15 11:17:40 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.



Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:

"Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, in which Bacque alleges that U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. The publication became a best-seller in Germany, was number three in Canada on Maclean's best-selling non-fiction list, was critically reviewed in the western press, and has been published in 13 countries, although suppressed in the United States.[1][2][3]

Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners who had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the third Geneva Convention, for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that there was a "method of genocide" in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, the policy regarding shelter building, and soldier ration policy. Through the KGB's archives in the 1990s, Bacque's continuing research confirmed the death total of the POWs in western camps."

END QUOTE

s-mahat.ru

One of Eisenhower's "camps".

The Western Allies' "Humanity" didn't really shine until after the war. But as the winners, we really don't like to think, let alone talk about such things.
 
2011-10-15 11:18:58 AM

Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.


WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.
 
2011-10-15 11:22:18 AM

SirEattonHogg: HMS_Blinkin Quote 2011-10-15 10:47:46 AM
Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Well, I reckon someone will also bring up Allied civiilian bombings like Dresden Tokyo, and Nagasaki/Hiroshimi.

Personally, after hearing my grandparent's stories of all the fun times in Japanese-held territory, I'm not sure I have much sympathy.


IMO the Japanese were in some ways worse than even the Nazis. In the case of the Nazis, most of their atrocities were carried out by the SS and special units, not by their regular army; with the Japanese, even regular units were encouraged to participate in the slaughter and rape of civilians and prisoners.

I would also draw a moral distinction between the massacres committed by the Japanese and the Nazis and the firebombing of Tokyo / Dresden / Hiroshima etc. Strategic bombing does have a military purpose - to destroy the ability of your enemy to make war, while minimizing your own exposure to losses*. The technology of the time simply did not allow for accurate bombing, despite all the claims of the wonders of the Norden bombsight, and firebombing was a means of compensating for that. There is, however, no excuse for slaughtering civilians and POW's outside of battle, in situations when you have the capability to distinguish between combatants and noncombatants.

*Dresden, although often depicted as a city without strategic value, was in fact arming up in preparation for the approaching Soviets. It was also a major transport hub.
 
2011-10-15 11:25:44 AM

Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.


That's really amoral and semantic. It's total war so killing anyone is cool is just wrong. The ideology behind the killing is really the only thing you can try to stand behind, but for me, it doesn't hold up.
 
2011-10-15 11:25:59 AM

Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:

"Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, in which Bacque alleges that U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. The publication became a best-seller in Germany, was number three in Canada on Maclean's best-selling non-fiction list, was critically reviewed in the western press, and has been published in 13 countries, although suppressed in the United States.[1][2][3]

Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners who had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the third Geneva Convention, for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that there was a "method of genocide" in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, the policy regarding shelter building, and soldier ration policy. Through the KGB's archives in the 1990s, Bacque's continuing research confirmed the death total of the POWs in western camps."

END QUOTE

[s-mahat.ru image 555x415]

One of Eisenhower's "camps".

The Western Allies' "Humanity" didn't really shine until after the war. But as the winners, we really don't like to think, let alone talk about such things.


Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.
 
2011-10-15 11:30:52 AM

BarbadoSlim: Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:

"Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, in which Bacque alleges that U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. The publication became a best-seller in Germany, was number three in Canada on Maclean's best-selling non-fiction list, was critically reviewed in the western press, and has been published in 13 countries, although suppressed in the United States.[1][2][3]

Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners who had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the third Geneva Convention, for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that there was a "method of genocide" in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, the policy regarding shelter building, and soldier ration policy. Through the KGB's archives in the 1990s, Bacque's continuing research confirmed the death total of the POWs in western camps."

END QUOTE

[s-mahat.ru image 555x415]

One of Eisenhower's "camps".

The Western Allies' "Humanity" didn't really shine until after the war. But as the winners, we really don't like to think, let alone talk about such things.

Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.


You know who else was morally indifferent to murder?
 
2011-10-15 11:32:43 AM
Well... that's very nice.
 
2011-10-15 11:34:46 AM

BarbadoSlim: Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.



So even though Eisenhower's murderous atrocities in the "POW" camps was done AFTER the war, when these men were disarmed, no longer at threat, and literally at the mercy of Ike, you fees that his intentionally starving hundreds of thousands to death was justifiable for the sake of spiteful vengeance?

/Beautiful
//The moral high-ground
///We has it
 
2011-10-15 12:03:51 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-15 12:04:00 PM

Amos Quito: BarbadoSlim: Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.


So even though Eisenhower's murderous atrocities in the "POW" camps was done AFTER the war, when these men were disarmed, no longer at threat, and literally at the mercy of Ike, you fees that his intentionally starving hundreds of thousands to death was justifiable for the sake of spiteful vengeance?

/Beautiful
//The moral high-ground
///We has it


We had it. We have since sold it to the Chinese after outsourcing it to India.
We will however re-take it if oil is found under it.
 
2011-10-15 12:05:16 PM
The card was mailed from China, postmarked Aug. 27, and had Chinese writing on the back that Denzler couldn't decipher.

So Chinese is a secret code, now?
 
2011-10-15 12:13:07 PM

simonbarfsinister: Amos Quito: BarbadoSlim: Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.


So even though Eisenhower's murderous atrocities in the "POW" camps was done AFTER the war, when these men were disarmed, no longer at threat, and literally at the mercy of Ike, you fees that his intentionally starving hundreds of thousands to death was justifiable for the sake of spiteful vengeance?

/Beautiful
//The moral high-ground
///We has it

We had it. We have since sold it to the Chinese after outsourcing it to India.
We will however re-take it if oil is found under it.



Lulz.
 
2011-10-15 12:16:28 PM

Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood


Whoever said we should forget about it? Proto-fascists like MacArthur have never set US policy, and while they continue to exist today, neither do the minority of Nationalists in Japan.
 
2011-10-15 12:24:36 PM

Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:

"Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, in which Bacque alleges that U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. The publication became a best-seller in Germany, was number three in Canada on Maclean's best-selling non-fiction list, was critically reviewed in the western press, and has been published in 13 countries, although suppressed in the United States.[1][2][3]

Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners who had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the third Geneva Convention, for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that there was a "method of genocide" in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, the policy regarding shelter building, and soldier ration policy. Through the KGB's archives in the 1990s, Bacque's continuing research confirmed the death total of the POWs in western camps."

END QUOTE

[s-mahat.ru image 555x415]

One of Eisenhower's "camps".

The Western Allies' "Humanity" didn't really shine until after the war. But as the winners, we really don't like to think, let alone talk about such things.


Sorry buddy, I'm not a rah-rah America type, but this is BS. I know we have done some very crappy things over the years. Yes, the bombings of civilian targets in WWII was at best morally ambiguous... sure there was a ball bearing plant there, but did we need to send 1000 bombers to hit it and level a square mile around it? Probably not. HOWEVER, I simply don't believe that Ike caused a million deaths on purpose. I've personally met former-Nazi POWs held in France until 1948 who made absolutely no mention of mistreatment (systematic or otherwise). Yes, they were made to work hard bringing in the crops and preventing starvation in France-- but when I expressed surprise that they were held that many years after the surrender, neither of the old guys held any grudges. You think these two old dudes would have felt that way if they had known about systematic starvation of their comrades, even if they didn't experience it themselves? You think rumors wouldn't have spread? Or are you suggesting that not only did they cause deaths by starvation, but they also went back through and eliminated witnesses to avoid the tale from spreading? Exactly.

You can find books that will tell you pretty much anything, if you cherry-pick the crazy literature.

On the other hand-- the Russians were PISSED at the Germans and it wouldn't shock me too much to learn that some of the Soviet conscripts enjoyed playing hunt-the-gerry on surrendered Germans.
 
2011-10-15 12:51:29 PM

BarbadoSlim: Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.


Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:

"Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, in which Bacque alleges that U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. The publication became a best-seller in Germany, was number three in Canada on Maclean's best-selling non-fiction list, was critically reviewed in the western press, and has been published in 13 countries, although suppressed in the United States.[1][2][3]

Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners who had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the third Geneva Convention, for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that there was a "method of genocide" in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, the policy regarding shelter building, and soldier ration policy. Through the KGB's archives in the 1990s, Bacque's continuing research confirmed the death total of the POWs in western camps."

END QUOTE

[s-mahat.ru image 555x415]

One of Eisenhower's "camps".

The Western Allies' "Humanity" didn't really shine until after the war. But as the winners, we really don't like to think, let alone talk about such things.

Next time stay within your borders and don't start shiat you can't finish.

/ I just don't give a rat's ass whatever happened to the Nazis.


The vast majority of regular German soldiers weren't what you would call Nazis. You are confusing them with the SS. L2History.
 
2011-10-15 01:02:54 PM

Amos Quito: Guess who gets to write the history?

QUOTE:


And maybe if you scrrolled down the rest of the Wikipedia article, you'd have read how REAL historians showed that Bacque was as big a lying sack of shiat as David Irving.

As for Japanese atrocities, ever heqard of Unit 731, the Bataan Death March, Burma Siam railway or the 'comfort women?'
 
2011-10-15 01:06:17 PM

Beluga Heights: Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.

That's really amoral and semantic. It's total war so killing anyone is cool is just wrong. The ideology behind the killing is really the only thing you can try to stand behind, but for me, it doesn't hold up.


Beluga Heights: Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.

That's really amoral and semantic. It's total war so killing anyone is cool is just wrong. The ideology behind the killing is really the only thing you can try to stand behind, but for me, it doesn't hold up.


The vast majority of combantants in WWII were civilian conscripts who are forced to fight, and if not are hanged/shot. By your logic I can make the argument that killing them would be just as amoral as killing a civilian arms factory worker. But I won't, because total war is hell, and there is no way to get around some of the uglyness that is involved in one. But like I've stated before, there is a line however blurred it is, and the Japanese crossed it.
 
2011-10-15 01:09:44 PM

Kome: The card was mailed from China, postmarked Aug. 27, and had Chinese writing on the back that Denzler couldn't decipher.

So Chinese is a secret code, now?


assets.vbs.tv

How many times must I exprain?
 
2011-10-15 01:35:02 PM

XveryYpettyZ: On the other hand-- the Russians were PISSED at the Germans and it wouldn't shock me too much to learn that some of the Soviet conscripts enjoyed playing hunt-the-gerry on surrendered Germans.


Many German POWs were held until the 50s, when Stalin died and the Soviet Union started to cut back on their gulags.
 
2011-10-15 01:53:54 PM
We should have let the Russians do to Japan what they did to Germany.
 
2011-10-15 01:54:11 PM
It's a secret commie spy message they're activating sleeper cells! The soldier's were brain washed during WW II by Chinese intelligence and are being used now when the US would least suspect it. Think about it; an army of geriatric soldiers already trained in the art of war!

you'll see, I'm right.
 
2011-10-15 02:09:48 PM

Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.

That's really amoral and semantic. It's total war so killing anyone is cool is just wrong. The ideology behind the killing is really the only thing you can try to stand behind, but for me, it doesn't hold up.

Beluga Heights: Fallout Boy: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

WWII was total war. In total war the line between a civilian and an enemy combatant becomes very blur. But when you go from bombing enemy cities with bomb shelters (allies) to killing civilians for shiat and giggles because you believe the enemy to be racially inferior (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany), you can bet that the line was crossed.

That's really amoral and semantic. It's total war so killing anyone is cool is just wrong. The ideology behind the killing is really the only thing you can try to stand behind, but for me, it doesn't hold up.

The vast majority of combantants in WWII were civilian conscripts who are forced to fight, and if not are hanged/shot. By your logic I can make the argument that killing them would be just as amoral as killing a civilian arms factory worker. But I won't, because total war is hell, and there is no way to get around some of the uglyness that is involved in one. But like I've stated before, there is a line however blurred it is, and the Japanese crossed it.


The problem is, total war involves the mobilization of all of your society's resources toward war. By that logic, there is no such thing is a line. Why shouldn't I bomb high schools and middle schools? They'll be soldiers soon. Why shouldn't I poison drinking water? Or airdrop heroin in the hopes of creating addicts?

The issue I have is, you say that total war means ugly things will happen, well yes I agree. But what I'm saying is, if that's your belief, there isn't a line. There shouldn't be a line. Because, in total war, allowing anything to survive in your enemy's country undermines you.
 
2011-10-15 02:43:20 PM

Lone Stranger: 2.bp.blogspot.com


www.stickerchick.com
 
2011-10-15 02:53:56 PM
Don't forget, kids!
Killing civilians by execution after an entire army took off their uniforms and tried to blend in with civilians = BAD
Bombing a city and killing random civilians from an airplane = A-OK
 
2011-10-15 03:10:24 PM

Shadi: Don't forget, kids!
Killing civilians by execution after an entire army took off their uniforms and tried to blend in with civilians = BAD
Bombing a city and killing random civilians from an airplane = A-OK


Waterboarding Americans is torture and results in 15 years hard labor (as Japanese officers authorizing were sentenced)
Waterboarding by Americans is an effective interrogation technique (NOT TORTURE!) that's not all that bad and should be encouraged!

AHHHH...American Exceptionalism!
 
2011-10-15 06:16:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Hu?

First Base.


there's a done in one.
 
2011-10-15 06:16:51 PM
I think it was somewhat barbaric that some of our Special Forces in occupied France were actually scalping Nazis they had killed, but then again it was all about psy-ops. I understand even Hitler himself had concerns about their effectiveness and ordered his troops not to talk about the infiltrators. Those men might have even ended the war earlier than was anticipated, even if they were a bit enthusiastic with their mission.
 
2011-10-15 06:32:18 PM

T-Bone42: I think it was somewhat barbaric that some of our Special Forces in occupied France were actually scalping Nazis they had killed, but then again it was all about psy-ops. I understand even Hitler himself had concerns about their effectiveness and ordered his troops not to talk about the infiltrators. Those men might have even ended the war earlier than was anticipated, even if they were a bit enthusiastic with their mission.


Inglorious Basterds was a movie, not a documentary.
 
2011-10-15 06:35:48 PM

Beluga Heights: BarbadoSlim: Beluga Heights: HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: I thought we were supposed to forget about Japan's adventures in China during WWII.

Germany = EVIL: Nevar forget!
Japan = meh
Allies = Sainthood

Oh the Japanese were at least as rotten as the Germans. So were the Russians, but war makes strange bedfellows and all that. The Western Allies, on the other hand (excluding French collaboration), really don't have much to be ashamed of, aside from our internment of Japanese civilians.

Good sir. I respectfully submit for review the fire bombing of Japan.

What the hell were we supposed to bomb them with, flowers?

Well maybe I should have been more specific. The bombing campaign was intended to maximize civilian deaths. Bear in mind that Curtis LeMay said that if the Allies had lost the war, he'd have been tried as a war criminal.


Sir Arthur Harris, head of RAF Bomber Command, in response that he was criminally responsible for bombing civilians in European cities. "Moral? Sticking a bayonet into a man's belly, is that moral?"

Sitting at our keyboards, trying so hard to place all this in some kind of context intelligible to us......but we can't.

"War is hell, and you cannot refine it." - W.T. Sherman
 
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