It is a bit condescending to keep calling the guy "kid." Maybe once, but give it a rest after that, you know? Still, overall pretty darn good.

This jughead's working two jobs for peanuts, and he doesn't see anything wrong with the system?

He must have suffered a serious head injury at some point.

Isn't that Hobodeluxe's? Big up to a fellow Farker!!

I work for a school district IT department and we have 1 guy who is the constant fark up and who never makes deadlines .... guess who is always sending emails about the "leeches protesting wall street"

{snark on}

Remember folks, our system isn't working unless companies can pay whatever they want, demand workers work whatever hours the boss says, and determine what the work conditions will be. The system is broke if a worker can afford food, clothing and a place to live without working 3 jobs. Our corporate overloards will stop producing jobs if they have to pay a living wage, or give health benefits. Oh, and the corporations and rich people shouldn't pay taxes, either. EVER.

{/snark off}

broke = broken
overloards = overlords

Fark spellcheck. Who needs it, right?

Marcus Aurelius: This jughead's working two jobs for peanuts, and he doesn't see anything wrong with the system?

He must have suffered a serious head injury at some point.

I recall a TF thread maybe a year ago where people were discussing jobs, benefits, etc. I believe subby or someone early on mentioned that they hadn't gotten even a small raise in years despite working extra hours and things like that. Almost everyone replying said something like "what, you work 60 hours and you think you're entitled to a raise? suck it up and do your job" and "lol, entitled kids thinking their company owes them something." Seriously almost everyone, and these weren't snark. They were serious.

I don't get shocked by very much on Fark, but I was quite honestly taken aback by how willing everyone was to just accept that system and defend it. I said as much but the thread was dying and I never got an answer.

El_Frijole_Blanco: I work for a school district IT department and we have 1 guy who is the constant fark up and who never makes deadlines .... guess who is always sending emails about the "leeches protesting wall street"

Haha. I had a guy I know yesterday on Facebook talking about job creators and we need to protect them and f*ck the poor, and whatnot.

This is a guy that I had clean up at least 6 different projects for. He was assigned a Cisco NAC project with 100 hours to complete it. I got called in because the project stalled. He had booked 95 hours to the project and maybe only did one day of work. It took me 60 to just start over and complete it.

On another one he "started", he used 80% of the hours allocated for the job, but only did 10% of the work. After the third project, I made sure he was not allowed to work in the same region anymore. That worked out for about a year. He stayed in his region and didn't create any messes I had to cleanup.... eventually I had to start going to his region and cleanup messes there too. This guy did a NAC/Security project for one of the largest shipping ports in the western hemisphere and he f*cked it up so bad while using 250% of the hours that by the time I started over and did the job right the project went 400% over budget.

When you have a 1000 hour project that the customer paid $250k for, and you end up using 4000 hours, you're talking about an enormous amount of money lost. But management wouldn't fire him. He was the same time of right-wing, lazy, pot-smoking, mail-order bride having lowlife as they were.

Quasar: I recall a TF thread maybe a year ago where people were discussing jobs, benefits, etc. I believe subby or someone early on mentioned that they hadn't gotten even a small raise in years despite working extra hours and things like that. Almost everyone replying said something like "what, you work 60 hours and you think you're entitled to a raise? suck it up and do your job" and "lol, entitled kids thinking their company owes them something." Seriously almost everyone, and these weren't snark. They were serious.

It depends what you are doing and how easily you can be replaced. If you're working two jobs at Subway and Quizno's, then you're not going to be rewarded for hard-work. You're going to get replaced if someone can do it cheaper.

If you're the one guy left in a shipping dept and has to work 80hours a week to keep it all together because they laid off the other people, than yeah... you should be rewarded. If the job you're at won't reward you, find someone who will. This isn't the f*cking Red Cross. There is no charity. If your employer isn't loyal to you, why should you be loyal to them?

I think the problem is that people allow their jobs to become part of their identity. They get attached, so even when they know they are getting f*cked over every day, they stay because they don't want to lose their identity and start over. They're afraid they'll lose their friends, etc... The same thing happens in abusive relationships. If your sister was getting beat by her husband and it only got progressively worse, you or anyone with a brain would say "leave him, find someone better". So why can't people use that same wisdom when they work for a boss that abuses them or makes them feel bad?

Working 60 hours a week for 8 years just to afford the basics is the new American Dream.

Working 60 hours a week, with no health benefits, and no vacation time is how we got where we are. We are the 99%.

vernonFL: Working 60 hours a week for 8 years just to afford the basics is the new American Dream.

He doesn't have health insurance. He can't even afford the basics.

Headso: They just had an article the other day about how sweet you can live on 20 grand a year.



What "sweet living" on 20,000 a year looks like.

usernameguy: vernonFL: Working 60 hours a week for 8 years just to afford the basics is the new American Dream.

He doesn't have health insurance. He can't even afford the basics.

And he's proud of it, damn it! I do not understand this mindset.

fusillade762: Careful there, coco. I've gotten timeouts for addressing Farkers who aren't in the thread yet, even if it's in a neutral fashion.

Oh, oops! Sorry, mods. Feel free to nuke my post.

Cubansaltyballs: I think the problem is that people allow their jobs to become part of their identity. They get attached, so even when they know they are getting f*cked over every day, they stay because they don't want to lose their identity and start over. They're afraid they'll lose their friends, etc... The same thing happens in abusive relationships. If your sister was getting beat by her husband and it only got progressively worse, you or anyone with a brain would say "leave him, find someone better". So why can't people use that same wisdom when they work for a boss that abuses them or makes them feel bad?

There is much truth to this. However at this point losing a job is an incredible risk. I had an abusive boss and had to quit my job. I won a labor dispute against him for bullying. They sent him to anger management training. He still has a job but I don't. That was over a year ago.

quickdraw: There is much truth to this. However at this point losing a job is an incredible risk. I had an abusive boss and had to quit my job. I won a labor dispute against him for bullying. They sent him to anger management training. He still has a job but I don't. That was over a year ago.

Here's the question: Would you be better/happier if you'd stayed there? You'd have a job, but sometimes you have to ask if it's worth it if you're miserable.

Cubansaltyballs: You'd have a job, but sometimes you have to ask if it's worth it if you're miserable.

When your kids are hungry, it's worth it. That's where we are right now. I wish I had a solution. My congress critter is the idiot who introduced the most recent kill women bill. She's all about jobs for fetuses.

Quasar:
I don't get shocked by very much on Fark, but I was quite honestly taken aback by how willing everyone was to just accept that system and defend it. I said as much but the thread was dying and I never got an answer.

we can't have people running around telling the truth about how f*cked up things are. it gets people riled up.

Weaver95: Quasar:
I don't get shocked by very much on Fark, but I was quite honestly taken aback by how willing everyone was to just accept that system and defend it. I said as much but the thread was dying and I never got an answer.

we can't have people running around telling the truth about how f*cked up things are. it gets people riled up.

People need to be riled up.

MorrisBird: usernameguy: vernonFL: Working 60 hours a week for 8 years just to afford the basics is the new American Dream.

He doesn't have health insurance. He can't even afford the basics.

And he's proud of it, damn it! I do not understand this mindset.

not only is is proud of working his ass off to not be able to afford 'the basics' but he'll fight against anyone who tries to change the system that keeps him in poverty.

SilentStrider: Weaver95: Quasar:
I don't get shocked by very much on Fark, but I was quite honestly taken aback by how willing everyone was to just accept that system and defend it. I said as much but the thread was dying and I never got an answer.

we can't have people running around telling the truth about how f*cked up things are. it gets people riled up.

People need to be riled up.

that reminds me - heading down to the Occupy Harrisburg crowd tonight around 11pm. I should get there by midnight. join the fun if you get a chance!

Hmm, that was pretty condescending. Especially the part where he writes "I'm a Liberal, so I probably dream bigger than you." - that's the problem with the current mindset of many Liberals. Sure, he was semi-nice about it, but it was still condescending and talking down to the guy. It's not like only the Liberals want to see everyone taken care of, even Conservatives believe in a reasonable safety net. They have spent far more time demonizing their political opponents that they have completely forgotten the fact that the vast majority of both sides want the same things, they just have different ideas on which is the better way to go about it. Conservatives have only had since 2008 to fall into this trap but you can see many of them spiraling down it quickly. It's also easy to do when your political opponents are still demonizing you - nobody seems to want to break the Cycle.

Then there was this that kind of cracked me up:
I think Wall Street has an important job to do, I just don't think they've been doing it. And I resent their sense of entitlement - their sense that they are special and deserve to be rewarded extravagantly even when they screw everything up.

Last I looked, it wasn't the poor schmucks who work on Wall Street that were screaming about the desire to have their Student Loans forgiven. I think he's got it backwards as to which people have the sense of entitlement. Let's also deal with the fact that it wasn't Wall Street that screwed everything up - there were some very specific companies combined with our Federal Legislature and poor performing regulators that did. The letter writer is the one who feels entitled now as he displays his desire to be able to regulate what a private company pays it's employees - which would completely destroy the competitive nature of the job market for high performers.

So, even though you and I had nothing to do with the bad decisions, blind greed and incompetence of those guys on Wall Street, we were sure as hell along for the ride, weren't we? And we've all paid a price.

You know, lots of people signed on the dotted line of their own free will and nobody was fooled into taking out a loan they couldn't pay back. They knew that they couldn't pay it back when they took the loan out; or failed to account for the fact that sometimes bad shait happens and you need to be prepared. It wasn't just blind greed and incompetence on Wall Street that was the cause; we're all in a glass house on this one. In fact, the author is being greedy because he is insisting on confiscating even more of somebody elses private property.

All we want is for everybody to remember what happened, and to see what is happening still. And we want you to see that the only way they can get away without paying their share is to undermine the American Dream for the rest of us.

How is it that they are not sharing the pain? It's not like they get better deals than the rest of us; the author is just mad that others had more in their bank account when the bubble burst. Sorry, life isn't fair and bad shait happens to good people every day. No amount of legislation or regulation will change that. Until you show me someone who broke the law, instead of using the super general "Wall Street" , you won't have my support and I'll continue to think you're a bunch of nincompoops who are angry because you're struggling and you want our broke government to fix it without forethought to the consequences of what you are asking.

When the protests take on a family carnival flavor instead of a 3rd day of Woodstock one, and you start claiming to support candidates from both parties who you believe can shake the corporate holds on power through the democratic process, then I'll look more favorably on you. Calling for Private Citizens to pay for an imaginary crime isn't the way.

Still, the letter was better than most of the screeds I see in these threads.

fusillade762: coco ebert: fusillade762: Careful there, coco. I've gotten timeouts for addressing Farkers who aren't in the thread yet, even if it's in a neutral fashion.

Oh, oops! Sorry, mods. Feel free to nuke my post.

On second thought, you should be OK. I remembered my last timeout for that was before I was a TFer. I'm guessing we get a bit more leeway :)

Well, we should get some preferential treatment. After all, we pony up the big bucks. :P

haywatchthis:

take somee children with you.... just incase

so far the only people being dicks are the capital complex cops. the city cops don't seem to give a damn, just so long as we aren't burning anything.