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2011-10-14 06:50:26 PM
A lot of those "perks" like free food, drinks, haircuts, childcare and such are also used by Google to keep employees on campus for longer hours. You don't have to leave at 5 in order to pickup your kid from childcare or get your dry cleaning or have a meal. It's sort of half-way from/towards telecommuting and working on site. All the bennies of being at home and being able to take care of your domestic needs and none of the working in a cubicle farm and only being allowed to leave for lunch and a morning and afternoon trip to the loo. It's a great model and more American companies should move in this direction.

Most of Google's employees are happy at the work place. But after you reach 34 the jewel in your palm (you are implanted after you accept their offer) turns red and when you reach 35 it goes black. Then you get pinked.

Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.
 
2011-10-14 07:06:51 PM
Prettiest sweatshop EVAR.
 
2011-10-14 07:11:19 PM
A. Still a cubefarm. Yech.

B. What teto85 said.
 
2011-10-14 07:13:02 PM
What teto85 said in the first sentence, I mean. I don't see that as a positive.
 
2011-10-14 07:16:56 PM
Yay, let's infantilize the workforce and make work your friend and primary social hub!

Huzzah!
 
2011-10-14 07:17:41 PM
Yeah, that must suck!

So, you guys hiring?
 
2011-10-14 07:46:49 PM
paulseta: Yay, let's infantilize the workforce and make work your friend and primary social hub!

Huzzah!


Yes, clearly the best way to go about running a business is to make your employees feel like utter shiatstains on society's ass who should be grateful to even have a company willing to give them some form of meaning in their pitiful and worthless existence.
 
2011-10-14 08:44:05 PM
Having actually been on a Google campus, I must say it still looked pretty sweet. Everyone seemed to be very focused on what they were doing. There were families around. No one seemed too stressed. It was actually a very pleasant place to be in, let alone work at. And that's not counting the free beer or the fact that I was at one of the red-headed stepchildren offices either.
 
2011-10-14 08:46:42 PM
And yes, it was still cubicle-based, but the cubicles weren't very cubicle-y. They were very open, like there was a "privacy" barrier you could pull across the upper part of your desk. But that and all other surfaces were mostly curved, there were very few "hard" angles in the whole facility. And most workspaces were arranged in a way that facilitated collaboration. Everyone had a whiteboard for each other to write on/share messages. Every flat surface/wall space was writable. It was obvious that employees had a good deal of say in how the space was organized/what went on walls, etc.
 
2011-10-14 08:59:18 PM
teto85: But after you reach 34 the jewel in your palm (you are implanted after you accept their offer) turns red and when you reach 35 it goes black. Then you get pinked.

Black? Black!? Have you seen their color schemes? This is clearly fiction :)
 
2011-10-14 09:03:57 PM
I noticed that the employees had pants on. what is the point of working if I cant work pantsless?
seriously, the best work at home perk is the dress code
 
2011-10-14 09:19:51 PM
Google's going to bring back company towns in style.
 
2011-10-14 09:20:37 PM
Their video arcade lacks the Addams Family pinball
 
2011-10-14 09:24:18 PM
Some of that stuff looks pretty cool. And, as mentioned, some of it looks designed to keep you on campus and at work for more of the day. Also, it's still a cube farm office building. Just with cool extra shiat.

I start to itch and my hands shake when I get near cube farms.

As for some of the "almost like home" perks, I work from home. I watch my big ass TV with my feet up on the couch while I work. It's not too shabby.
 
2011-10-14 09:25:49 PM
Heated toilet seats.

Seriously.
 
2011-10-14 09:36:34 PM
teto85: A lot of those "perks" like free food, drinks, haircuts, childcare and such are also used by Google to keep employees on campus for longer hours.


The Hollywood studios and other production cos that I've worked at all have this same philosophy. I've worked at and visited places where the kitchen was always loaded with free food, everybody's in t-shirts and jeans, the atmosphere is relaxing. If there wasn't free food in the kitchen, there was usually an onsite cafe with great food so you didn't burn 20 minutes driving to and from an outside lunch spot. You take what is otherwise a tense environment with crazy deadlines and big egos and you deflate it and make the office a pleasant place to hang out. There are a few of those locations that I long to work at again, even though I'm making double now what I was then.

It also exudes a bit of "swagger" for when outsiders, like clients and investors, come to visit. They're impressed just like this writer was impressed by Google.

My currenty company doesn't grasp this concept, and so it's no surprise that everyone packs up and runs for the door at 4:55 every day.
 
2011-10-14 09:42:15 PM
teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.
 
2011-10-14 09:49:58 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.


Bullshirt. My extra decade-and-a-half of experience has made me more creative and better able to see linkages and effects that the pups just flat miss, no matter how many extra hours they stare at it. Yeah, I have less patience for the drudgery of actually drawing a 4-socket motherboard schematic, but that's what the pups are for.
 
2011-10-14 09:52:27 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

Speaking for myself, I find that at age 34 I'm able to understand complex concepts that I wouldn't have been capable of understanding at age 24, and only mistakenly thought I understood at age 29.

Sure, the short-term memory isn't what it used to be, but that's what Google Brain[TM] bionic implants are for.
 
2011-10-14 09:54:23 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.


upload.wikimedia.org

...would like a word with you
 
2011-10-14 10:03:30 PM
If there was foot with 100 feet of me at all times at work I'd be even fatter than I am now

/But hey we get free bottled water
//Sometimes
 
2011-10-14 10:07:46 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.



Yeah, total bullshiat. I'm 33 and my once aimless creativity actually has direction now, guided by the extra decade of experience that I didn't have when I first got out of college. Shiat I'm creating now is actually resonating with people, it's selling, and it's 100x better than what I was doing in my 20's. I don't see how that's going to suddenly "peak" 18 months from now. Creatively, I'm on fire in a way I couldn't imagine when I was young and ignorant.

I also have access to creative resources that I could only dream of when I was younger.

There are many other examples that I'm sure others here will point out. Steve Jobs for the last decade of his life, for starters. Dude had so many ideas, he left behind 4 more years of creative direction to be carried out after he died.
 
2011-10-14 10:13:56 PM
tomWright: Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 479x600]

...would like a word with you


Some people's peaks are higher than other's, but I'll bet he was much better when he was younger. Sorry, youth >> oldth, every time. You can delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but if you're so sharp at 45, try going back to college. Kids will destroy you in every way. They don't need hours to grasp simple concepts, they have energy and stamina.

Youth is better in every conceivable way. Unless you think you can bald, fart, pot-belly and bifocal your way through university?
 
2011-10-14 11:11:12 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: They don't need hours to grasp simple concepts, they have energy and stamina.

The whole thing is to keep your mind active. If you do, it doesn't really age much. The thing with older people going back to school is, unlike the young kids who just got there from high school, the older people haven't spent all that much time leaning and absorbing. But if you don't stop, it remains easy.
 
2011-10-14 11:24:30 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.


To do what? Sit there and code for 20 hours a day? I'll live that to the kids who can't think beyond the next line of code. Meanwhile I'll use my years of experience to architect complex solutions that those in their 20s can't begin to comprehend.

/and google the "best" employer? give me a break
//I know more ex-google employees than current google employees
///hiring by committee never works
 
2011-10-14 11:24:33 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Some people's peaks are higher than other's, but I'll bet he was much better when he was younger. Sorry, youth >> oldth, every time. You can delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but if you're so sharp at 45, try going back to college.


Take a quick look at some of history's greatest artists - most did their best work in middle age:

James Cameron: 32 when he did Aliens, 37 when he did T2, 55 when he did Avatar.

Spielberg - 29 before he even made his first big film (Jaws), 35 when he did Raiders, 36 when he did E.T., 47 when he made his masterpiece (Schindler's List), 52 when he did Saving Private Ryan, and so on -- again, you're saying he was better when he directing episodes of Columbo in his 20's?

Hitchcock was in his 50's when he hit his creative prime. The list of filmmakers doing their best work in middle age is a mile long.

I dated an opera singer a few years ago -- they don't even start getting real gigs until they're in their 30's.

Picaso did his most famous painting - Guernica - when he was 56. By your standards, he peaked before he even developed Cubism. Michaelangelo was 37 when he finished the Sistine Chapel - two years past that 35-year-old creative peak you posted about earlier.

Joyce was 36 before he even started writing Ulysses (40 when it was finally published). But according to you, he was better when he was in his 20's and bouncing from school to school, drinking heavily, and getting rejected by every publisher he sent his work to. Which is, of course, what most of those young people you revere do at that age.

Vonnegut was 47 when Slaughterhouse-Five was published. Faulkner was 32 before his prime years even started with The Sound and the Fury. Catch-22 - Heller was 38. Steinbeck - 37 for The Grapes of Wrath, 50 for East of Eden. Orwell - 46 when he wrote 1984. William Golding was 46 when they published his first book, a little novel called Lord of the Flies. Truman Capote - 42 for In Cold Blood.

Again, on and on and on....

I'm moving onto other things now, but food for thought.
 
2011-10-15 01:23:39 AM
One step away from Cult.
 
2011-10-15 01:25:36 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: tomWright: Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 479x600]

...would like a word with you

Some people's peaks are higher than other's, but I'll bet he was much better when he was younger. Sorry, youth >> oldth, every time. You can delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but if you're so sharp at 45, try going back to college. Kids will destroy you in every way. They don't need hours to grasp simple concepts, they have energy and stamina.

Youth is better in every conceivable way. Unless you think you can bald, fart, pot-belly and bifocal your way through university?


Obvious troll is obvious.
 
2011-10-15 02:25:04 AM
inglixthemad: Quantum Apostrophe: tomWright: Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 479x600]

...would like a word with you

Some people's peaks are higher than other's, but I'll bet he was much better when he was younger. Sorry, youth >> oldth, every time. You can delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but if you're so sharp at 45, try going back to college. Kids will destroy you in every way. They don't need hours to grasp simple concepts, they have energy and stamina.

Youth is better in every conceivable way. Unless you think you can bald, fart, pot-belly and bifocal your way through university?

Obvious troll is obvious.


Nah, dude's not trolling. He really is that afraid of getting old and dying, he pulls the same tired old schtick in loads of threads. Poor bastard, must suck to live in fear like that.
 
2011-10-15 03:13:56 AM
poot_rootbeer: Sure, the short-term memory isn't what it used to be, but that's what Google Brain[TM] bionic implants are for.

That or do some project management in your 20's. You'll learn how to have everything you'll ever need exactly where you need it.

Wait, doesn't that also describe using Google?
 
2011-10-15 03:36:43 AM
after working in high stress, long-hour jobs without such conveniences, Google's offices and benefits look pretty good.

Bloomberg (the financial data company, not the mayor) has jaw dropping offices and similar benefits.
 
2011-10-15 04:03:42 AM
No thank you. The perks might seem nice, but all they're really there for is to facilitate the employer's exertion of progressively more control over the employee's life - and of course, salaried employees don't get paid overtime.

Hell, even if I did work for an employer who did compensate extra and give perks for working long hours, I'm not sure that I'd want it. Money comes and money goes, food and personal services can be bought, but you'll never be able to get more time. Given that all of us have a limited amount of time to spend on this planet before we go back to the dust, I can safely say that I don't want to be spending all of my waking hours at the office. I love what I do, sure, but as much as I enjoy my work I recognize that there is more to life than working.

/how much longer before employees have to change their last names to "Google" when they're hired?
 
2011-10-15 04:38:46 AM
...and of course, cue the "Google is teh ebul!" crowd.

/...how many are browsing with Chrome right now?
 
2011-10-15 05:51:49 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: tomWright: Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 479x600]

...would like a word with you

Some people's peaks are higher than other's, but I'll bet he was much better when he was younger. Sorry, youth >> oldth, every time. You can delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but if you're so sharp at 45, try going back to college. Kids will destroy you in every way. They don't need hours to grasp simple concepts, they have energy and stamina.

Youth is better in every conceivable way. Unless you think you can bald, fart, pot-belly and bifocal your way through university?


My mom went back to college at age 42, with two daughters ages 8 and 4. She completed a BA in psychology and then went on to an MSW from USC. She had to get up at 5 am to study because it was the only time she had to herself. She maintained a 3.7 GPA and says she got far more out of the experience than she would have at age 20.
 
2011-10-15 06:52:12 AM
Jeez, after being unemployed in the IT world 2x in the last 2 years due to ended contracts, I am just happy to find work again. All that other stuff is too 1990's crap. Just knowing that I have enough work to keep me busy for 3 years is enough to make me happy.
 
2011-10-15 07:57:04 AM
Calmamity: What teto85 said in the first sentence, I mean. I don't see that as a positive.

I think the first time I noticed them they were telling lies about reading Palin's book like the day it came out or even before it was released. Kind of odd that they are presenting it as a positive. I have a hard time picturing anyone but the Republicans supporting a return to the days of company towns... Ah well. I am not going to dedicate that much thought to it.
 
2011-10-15 10:04:52 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.


a57.foxnews.com

Things Steve worked on after 35 (1990):
Pixar. NeXT and every single thing at Apple since his return: iMac, iPod, iPhone, MacBook Air, etc.
 
2011-10-15 10:38:53 AM
Now if they would just have operations in locations that don't totally suck like Seattle and NorCal...

I Interviewed
I was offered
I am not moving out there, no matter how many sleeping bags, free drinks and gourmet cafeterias they have. Know some people who did accept and they enjoy it, though.
 
2011-10-15 10:54:05 AM
apparently Google didn't get the memo...during a recession you are suppose to treat your employees like crap.
 
2011-10-15 11:06:13 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.


Oh, we believe you, and it explains so much
 
2011-10-15 11:40:56 AM
Can you bring your dogs to work?
 
2011-10-15 12:06:59 PM
ArkAngel: Their video arcade lacks the Addams Family pinball

Nothing would get done if it was there.
 
2011-10-15 12:46:08 PM
WhyteRaven74: The whole thing is to keep your mind active. If you do, it doesn't really age much. The thing with older people going back to school is, unlike the young kids who just got there from high school, the older people haven't spent all that much time leaning and absorbing. But if you don't stop, it remains easy.

This. I finally decided to go to college at 34; I'm now 38 and graduating in December. But I really never "stopped" learning; I'm an avid reader, I collect TTC lectures- if I want to understand something I seek out a teacher of some kind and just jump in. When I got to college I was pleasantly surprised; I thought it would be more of an adjustment, but I slipped right into the swing of things, and have done very well.

Yes, if you don't use it, you lose it. But not everyone stops reading and writing (and THINKING) the day they graduate. My grandparents were the same way; they stayed sharp and both retained their faculties til the end.
 
2011-10-15 12:51:47 PM
jigger: Can you bring your dogs to work?

Autodesk used to let people do that, don't know if they still do

i don't know about other companies
 
2011-10-15 01:25:01 PM
I turned down Google twice. I thought their recruiting department pathetic.

That said, I have a good friend who works for Google and thinks it's 'okay' (though he doesn't seem to be too impressed by management).

/ He also works from home.
 
2011-10-15 01:37:47 PM
Nmissi: WhyteRaven74: The whole thing is to keep your mind active. If you do, it doesn't really age much. The thing with older people going back to school is, unlike the young kids who just got there from high school, the older people haven't spent all that much time leaning and absorbing. But if you don't stop, it remains easy.

This. I finally decided to go to college at 34; I'm now 38 and graduating in December. But I really never "stopped" learning; I'm an avid reader, I collect TTC lectures- if I want to understand something I seek out a teacher of some kind and just jump in. When I got to college I was pleasantly surprised; I thought it would be more of an adjustment, but I slipped right into the swing of things, and have done very well.

Yes, if you don't use it, you lose it. But not everyone stops reading and writing (and THINKING) the day they graduate. My grandparents were the same way; they stayed sharp and both retained their faculties til the end.


Just out of curiosity, what did you go back to school for? I'm 31 and I'll be returning to school early next year hopefully, and while I'd prefer to go into IT of some sort, the talk of the ruthless ageism in that field is sort of discouraging that idea. Secondary interests are a toss up between accounting and biotechnology.
 
2011-10-15 01:45:22 PM
Perks like that are nice but having a life outside of work is a whole lot nicer.
 
2011-10-15 02:03:46 PM
Bobo_Spiewack: locations that don't totally suck like Seattle and NorCal

[notsureifserious.jpg]
 
2011-10-15 02:09:09 PM
Working for a place like this now.

ROME:
Results Oriented Management Enterprise.

Working my ass off,
and loving it.

Amazing what it is like working for a company that understands how people work when thinking for a living.
That and they know how the true scheduling of modern lives are much more complex than before.

/Merkle
 
2011-10-15 02:28:16 PM
bravian: Quantum Apostrophe: teto85: Seriously, they are ageist and will ask if you are able and willing to work long hours and long weeks.

The human body is ageist. Sorry, but after 35 you're way past your peak in mental terms. I know I am.

To do what? Sit there and code for 20 hours a day? I'll live that to the kids who can't think beyond the next line of code. Meanwhile I'll use my years of experience to architect complex solutions that those in their 20s can't begin to comprehend.

/and google the "best" employer? give me a break
//I know more ex-google employees than current google employees
///hiring by committee never works


"Architect" hmm? You're likely not nearly good as you think you are.
 
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