looks like they were forced to back off evicting the protesters due to a massive PR backlash.

Glad to see they accomplished their true goal of remaining dirty hippies.

Pretty sure in the long term the score is more like - hippies 2, corporations 1,253,568,397

Shostie: Pretty sure in the long term the score is more like - hippies 2, corporations 1,253,568,397

well yeah, but the megacorps failed to evict them from the park and shut down the protests. so lets count what victories we can, shall we?

I don't think Bloomberg wants to be remembered as the mayor who kicked off class riots.

I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Weaver95: I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Focus on the arrests, focus on the violence, find the most hateful signs. The usual.

DarwiOdrade: Weaver95: I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Focus on the arrests, focus on the violence, find the most hateful signs. The usual.

yeah...but they just lost a round. they were all expecting a massive hippie beat down today and now that's not gonna happen. bloodshed denied tends to make them violent.

ooooo....Rush Limbaugh is massively displeased....

this should be good.

Weaver95: ooooo....Rush Limbaugh is massively displeased....

this should be good.

Fark him with a rusty spoon. If Limbaugh doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for this country.

ManateeGag: Weaver95: ooooo....Rush Limbaugh is massively displeased....

this should be good.

Fark him with a rusty spoon. If Limbaugh doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for this country.

he spent an hour flipping out about the protesters. apparently, the OWS crowd is an elitist inclusive group of smart dumb liberal conspirators who are dirty smelly motivated tricky lazy drug addicted young people out to change the world in exactly the same way as the tea party protesters but were corrupted by commie socialism george soros liberalism hippyness and must thus be destroyed.

or something. Rush was getting a bit incoherent so I turned him off.

They cleared Occupy Denver out of the park last night (24 arrested, no violence that I know of). The protest is still there, just on the sidewalk with no camping. Kind of a standoff at the moment with cops guarding the park. Guess that is maybe a 1/2 for corporations?

Weaver95: ManateeGag: Weaver95: ooooo....Rush Limbaugh is massively displeased....

this should be good.

Fark him with a rusty spoon. If Limbaugh doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for this country.

he spent an hour flipping out about the protesters. apparently, the OWS crowd is an elitist inclusive group of smart dumb liberal conspirators who are dirty smelly motivated tricky lazy drug addicted young people out to change the world in exactly the same way as the tea party protesters but were corrupted by commie socialism george soros liberalism hippyness and must thus be destroyed.

or something. Rush was getting a bit incoherent so I turned him off.

your problem was turning his show on in the first place.

ManateeGag:

your problem was turning his show on in the first place.

I keep thinking that 'today is the day that Rush will finally blow out a heart valve while on the air' and I just don't want to miss that sort of thing.

DarwiOdrade: Weaver95: I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Focus on the arrests, focus on the violence, find the most hateful signs. The usual.

To be absolutely fair, the left was also doing this with regards to the Tea Party in the last few years. It's comically pathetic to see the Tea Partiers and the left squabble over which sets of rallies has the most hateful signs and the most violence.

Weaver95: ManateeGag: Weaver95: ooooo....Rush Limbaugh is massively displeased....

this should be good.

Fark him with a rusty spoon. If Limbaugh doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for this country.

he spent an hour flipping out about the protesters. apparently, the OWS crowd is an elitist inclusive group of smart dumb liberal conspirators who are dirty smelly motivated tricky lazy drug addicted young people out to change the world in exactly the same way as the tea party protesters but were corrupted by commie socialism george soros liberalism hippyness and must thus be destroyed.

or something. Rush was getting a bit incoherent so I turned him off.

Thanks for taking one for the team Weav.

RexTalionis: DarwiOdrade: Weaver95: I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Focus on the arrests, focus on the violence, find the most hateful signs. The usual.

To be absolutely fair, the left was also doing this with regards to the Tea Party in the last few years. It's comically pathetic to see the Tea Partiers and the left squabble over which sets of rallies has the most hateful signs and the most violence.


so.... vote republican?

cannotsuggestaname: RexTalionis: DarwiOdrade: Weaver95: I wonder how the right wing shills are gonna react to this story? not well, i'm assuming.

Focus on the arrests, focus on the violence, find the most hateful signs. The usual.

To be absolutely fair, the left was also doing this with regards to the Tea Party in the last few years. It's comically pathetic to see the Tea Partiers and the left squabble over which sets of rallies has the most hateful signs and the most violence.


so.... vote republican?

Uh, no, that's not really my intention. I am not a Republican, nor do I endorse their views. I'm just a guy who likes to have a little logical consistency in his life.

RexTalionis:

Uh, no, that's not really my intention. I am not a Republican, nor do I endorse their views. I'm just a guy who likes to have a little logical consistency in his life.

I think that if you want logical consistency, you should avoid the Republican party.

Weaver95: RexTalionis:

Uh, no, that's not really my intention. I am not a Republican, nor do I endorse their views. I'm just a guy who likes to have a little logical consistency in his life.

I think that if you want logical consistency, you should avoid the Republican party.

If I want logical consistency, I should avoid everybody.

RexTalionis: It's comically pathetic

It's been a concerted effort in the media to do everything they can to continue the illusion that we are opposed to those we have the most in common with. It's a tactic of the hegemony that's been working for a very long time.

The original Tea Baggers were co-opted early on. They were not versed well enough in organization skills to resist being overtaken and brought down to the lowest possible common denominators. Bringing new meaning to the phrase "political base." By the time the movement had been rebranded as Tea Partiers they had become the extreme right wing that makes Obama's Reaganesque policies seem liberal by comparison.

The original movement was Libertarian and serves as a grim reminder of the contradictions inherent in trying to create a coalition of people who believe nobody should tell anyone else what to do. In the sincere belief that people left on their own to determine a course of action will magically agree with one another.

The OWS folks came with a lot of practical activism skills. They aren't opposed to government or the market they just would like them to stop colluding to make us all poor. They clearly learned from watching the Libertarians and what they did to lose control of the message so early on.

Meanwhile most Libertarians are smart enough to see the value of OWS. Leaving the tea party without any sort of interior political scaffolding. It's just become a giant swirling cloud of fb postings and emails spewing bizarre ad hominum attacks.

RexTalionis:
If I want logical consistency, I should avoid everybody.

if you want to carry it to the extreme, sure. But the point stills stands - the 'party of personal responsibility' seems to forget that mantra when it comes to wall street bankers who f*ck up and need a bailout. it was even in the GOP party platform: no bailouts period. for anyone. And yet...soon as wall street came knocking the GOP went out of their way to give them whatever sum of money they wanted.

But that's not the worst part. the worst part is watching people lose their grip on a middle class lifestyle and cling to the GOP as their one and only hope of survival when the reason they're losing their social and economic position is due to Republican economic policies in the first place.

I have to say - i'm glad the protesters won this round.

The protesters need to grab those brooms and clean it up themselves. Then pass a hat around and rent some port-a-johns. It would do wonders in deflating their critics.

/I support the dirty hippies, btw

Weaver95: I have to say - i'm glad the protesters won this round.

We all won.

I do find it interesting that Bloomberg as Mayor of NY, business maven and media mogul is the very embodiment of the corruption that OWS is fighting against. He must be feeling some heat.

quickdraw: Weaver95: I have to say - i'm glad the protesters won this round.

We all won.

I do find it interesting that Bloomberg as Mayor of NY, business maven and media mogul is the very embodiment of the corruption that OWS is fighting against. He must be feeling some heat.

Limbaugh was openly mocking his inability to reign in the 'dirty hippies'.

In the meantime, the LA City Counsel passed an ordinance this week SUPPORTING the protesters in LA and allowing them to stay in their park at night.

Previously, protesters in LA had to move to the sidewalks every night because of a law against sleeping overnight in city parks.

/West Coast FTW

Lionel Mandrake: Then pass a hat around and rent some port-a-johns.

I've been wondering a lot about this. This seems like the most obvious solution to the strain on the neighborhood. I wonder if there's a permit issue? I know you'd need like 20 of them and they would have to be cleaned out 3 times a day but it would be worth it.

Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: I have to say - i'm glad the protesters won this round.

We all won.

I do find it interesting that Bloomberg as Mayor of NY, business maven and media mogul is the very embodiment of the corruption that OWS is fighting against. He must be feeling some heat.

Limbaugh was openly mocking his inability to reign in the 'dirty hippies'.

whoops. Yeah Bloomberg is toast. There's really nothing he can do or say that won't piss everybody off.

quickdraw:

whoops. Yeah Bloomberg is toast. There's really nothing he can do or say that won't piss everybody off.

I think so, yes. the GOP collective has started to decide that he's failed the hive mind. they'll turn on him now.

shower_in_my_socks: In the meantime, the LA City Counsel passed an ordinance this week SUPPORTING the protesters in LA and allowing them to stay in their park at night.

Previously, protesters in LA had to move to the sidewalks every night because of a law against sleeping overnight in city parks.

/West Coast FTW

Actually LA FTW. Protesters in SF and Seattle have not been treated as well.

Weaver95: quickdraw:

whoops. Yeah Bloomberg is toast. There's really nothing he can do or say that won't piss everybody off.

I think so, yes. the GOP collective has started to decide that he's failed the hive mind. they'll turn on him now.

Like rabid wolves.

quickdraw:
Actually LA FTW. Protesters in SF and Seattle have not been treated as well.

we'll see how Occupy Harrisburg goes tonight. I just got an email saying the capital police (who are different than the city cops) are saying nobody can be on the capital steps after midnight. which is bullshiat, considering how many times I staggered past those steps over the years and sat there till my head cleared.

Also, the protestors sleeping under tarps in sleeping bags also gave me an idea about a better sleeping shelter for protestors. Specifically, I was thinking of a 6 foot tall standing sarcophagus shaped shelter which is insulated, vented and cushioned internally with cushioned supports to hold you upright while you sleep. That way, they can be out of the rain, warm, and can sleep rather than sleeping on a tarp. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

Weaver95: quickdraw:
Actually LA FTW. Protesters in SF and Seattle have not been treated as well.

we'll see how Occupy Harrisburg goes tonight. I just got an email saying the capital police (who are different than the city cops) are saying nobody can be on the capital steps after midnight. which is bullshiat, considering how many times I staggered past those steps over the years and sat there till my head cleared.

Well obviously it's all your fault. They have had enough of your drunk ass.

ManateeGag: If Limbaugh doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for this country.

Well, he probably wouldn't like bombs going off in vegas, but that would be bad all around. If Rush's show is the FIRST you're hearing about something, and he doesn't like it, it's probably really awesome for the country.

RexTalionis: Also, the protestors sleeping under tarps in sleeping bags also gave me an idea about a better sleeping shelter for protestors. Specifically, I was thinking of a 6 foot tall standing sarcophagus shaped shelter which is insulated, vented and cushioned internally with cushioned supports to hold you upright while you sleep. That way, they can be out of the rain, warm, and can sleep rather than sleeping on a tarp. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

Hmmm. You're main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

However some of these Norma Kamali sleeping bag coats would be helpful.

quickdraw: RexTalionis: Also, the protestors sleeping under tarps in sleeping bags also gave me an idea about a better sleeping shelter for protestors. Specifically, I was thinking of a 6 foot tall standing sarcophagus shaped shelter which is insulated, vented and cushioned internally with cushioned supports to hold you upright while you sleep. That way, they can be out of the rain, warm, and can sleep rather than sleeping on a tarp. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

Hmmm. You're main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

However some of these Norma Kamali sleeping bag coats would be helpful.

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Well, the idea I had is wider at the base than at the top (almost like a Candy Corn shape), so it should be relatively stable. Dunno why it would cause nightmares, though.

quickdraw: YOUR main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

And possibly police sneaking up to the protest at 3AM and carting away your convenient coffin-like containers for processing.

veedeevadeevoodee: [www.thedenverchannel.com image 640x469]

/ Meanwhile, in the late game at Denver ...

Using riot armor while arresting peaceful demonstrators ...

I wonder how it is going to go here in Phoenix. Sheriff Joe might sport a woodie over this one.

RexTalionis: quickdraw: RexTalionis: Also, the protestors sleeping under tarps in sleeping bags also gave me an idea about a better sleeping shelter for protestors. Specifically, I was thinking of a 6 foot tall standing sarcophagus shaped shelter which is insulated, vented and cushioned internally with cushioned supports to hold you upright while you sleep. That way, they can be out of the rain, warm, and can sleep rather than sleeping on a tarp. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

Hmmm. You're main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

However some of these Norma Kamali sleeping bag coats would be helpful.

[www.normakamalicollection.com image 352x532]

Well, the idea I had is wider at the base than at the top (almost like a Candy Corn shape), so it should be relatively stable. Dunno why it would cause nightmares, though.

Claustrophobia.

Another problem would be circulation. Human beings are meant to sleep horizontally. In the 19th century medical students in need of a cadaver would go out late, find a passed out drunk and hang him by his clothing. He would be dead by morning from lack of blood to the brain.

I think it's a good idea to ponder possible shelter solutions though. I can see why having people be vertical would be appealing because they would take up less space. You might want to look at what the Japanese have built to shelter sleeping people in the minimum area possible. There's also the micro-house movement.

/house designer

kingoomieiii: quickdraw: YOUR main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

And possibly police sneaking up to the protest at 3AM and carting away your convenient coffin-like containers for processing.

Or just some prankster tipping them over like dominoes ;)

quickdraw: RexTalionis: quickdraw: RexTalionis: Also, the protestors sleeping under tarps in sleeping bags also gave me an idea about a better sleeping shelter for protestors. Specifically, I was thinking of a 6 foot tall standing sarcophagus shaped shelter which is insulated, vented and cushioned internally with cushioned supports to hold you upright while you sleep. That way, they can be out of the rain, warm, and can sleep rather than sleeping on a tarp. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

Hmmm. You're main problem would be stability. And the nightmares.

However some of these Norma Kamali sleeping bag coats would be helpful.

[www.normakamalicollection.com image 352x532]

Well, the idea I had is wider at the base than at the top (almost like a Candy Corn shape), so it should be relatively stable. Dunno why it would cause nightmares, though.

Claustrophobia.

Another problem would be circulation. Human beings are meant to sleep horizontally. In the 19th century medical students in need of a cadaver would go out late, find a passed out drunk and hang him by his clothing. He would be dead by morning from lack of blood to the brain.

Wouldn't the more likely explanation for the drunk dying be the fact that he was hung by his clothing (which, I would assume, would mean that parts of clothing that were loose are now suddenly tight is restricting bloodflow)? I mean, suppose the person was hung by the back of the collar - that's really no different from being hung from a noose, when the back of the collar is holding up a person's weight.

I have fallen asleep standing up before, although not for a terribly long time (2 hours one time) when I leaned - head first - against a wall and locked my leg joints, so I know it's possible to fall asleep in an upright position (and apparently not dying). My thought is that it'll be easier to stay asleep for longer if you have braces and straps to essentially hold you in an upright position so you take some of the stress off of your joints.

I don't think that police are coordinating in this way, but it does seem that since the focus is mostly on NYC, other cities feel ok with cracking down on their own Occupy movements. We need to pay attention to that too.

Is there a website set up that's coordinating all the movements?

coco ebert: I don't think that police are coordinating in this way, but it does seem that since the focus is mostly on NYC, other cities feel ok with cracking down on their own Occupy movements. We need to pay attention to that too.

Is there a website set up that's coordinating all the movements?

it's not a top down organization, more like a peer to peer network. the word gets around pretty quickly on police crackdowns though.