i don't know anything i don't know anyone whatever you heard about this place it's all lies.


oh wait ... never mind.

If there's one thing I love it's an Indian girl.. The Americanized kind anyways, the kind that shaves under their arms and their legs. They can get real hairy if they don't shave. Very attractive with their brown skin and jet-black hair..and they love sex, and are quite good at it in my experience. I made this Indian girl I was seeing wear the dot on her head once while farking.. Something about it just got me...

......dam I miss that

I didn't think you could get an Ivy League scholarship below a 94%...

Also true in HK/China (and probably a lot of other East Asian countries). If you are lucky in life's lottery and born to an upper class family - dont have to deal with the competition to get into a top local schools (competition is even crazier than getting into Harvard, etc, as the population 5, 6 times as big as US...), atleast mom and dad can send you to a school in US, UK or Australia as a second choice.

And forget ivy league/Oxbridge... any foreign university sounds good.

Big industry here. They have billboards for attending foreign schools I never heard of. I was told if your kid is especially untalented, atleast you can send them to Australia where I guess they have a lot of not so resepctable institutions and cost and entry is easier.

publikenemy: If there's one thing I love it's an Indian girl.. The Americanized kind anyways, the kind that shaves under their arms and their legs. They can get real hairy if they don't shave. Very attractive with their brown skin and jet-black hair..and they love sex, and are quite good at it in my experience. I made this Indian girl I was seeing wear the dot on her head once while farking.. Something about it just got me...

......dam I miss that

Hmm.

Not that it's the same at all, but the Catholic school system I attended had the following grading scale:
96% = A
87% = B
80% = C
76% = D
75% or less = F

I'm sure it's much different these days.

CayceP: Great school or not, it probably sucks to move thousands of miles away from your family at 18.

For some kids. For others it may be a blessing.

Petit_Merdeux: I had to read that headline several times because I kept seeing "Indiana" and it didn't make any sense.

/not in top 6%
//I am one of the 94%ers!

Thank god I'm not the only one.

/not telling my grades

Very misleading, this.

I suspect they dont have many liberal-arts subjects built into their averages ( where it is harder to get perfect marks)...

cmunic8r99: tereklusec: I didn't think you could get an Ivy League scholarship below a 94%...

Dartmouth (referenced in the article) doesn't do merit or athletic scholarships. They are all need-based.

This is true of all the Ivies, so the article is pretty misleading.

SirEattonHogg: Also true in HK/China (and probably a lot of other East Asian countries). If you are lucky in life's lottery and born to an upper class family - dont have to deal with the competition to get into a top local schools (competition is even crazier than getting into Harvard, etc, as the population 5, 6 times as big as US...), atleast mom and dad can send you to a school in US, UK or Australia as a second choice.

And forget ivy league/Oxbridge... any foreign university sounds good.

Big industry here. They have billboards for attending foreign schools I never heard of. I was told if your kid is especially untalented, at least you can send them to Australia where I guess they have a lot of not so respectable institutions and cost and entry is easier.

The term for those is 'diploma mill' and, indeed, their standards are very sucky. You can pick up a Masters... in 18 months... remotely.... as long as you can pay.

/But employers will likely laugh you out of the interview

Just wait till all those Indian graduates return to India and bring back the culture of entitlement, demand for self esteem and snow-flakiness that the Ivy League schools will instill in them.

We'll get that whole respect for hard work and education thing India has fixed up in a jiffy.

Hey it worked here, it'll work there too.

tomWright: Just wait till all those Indian graduates return to India and bring back the culture of entitlement, demand for self esteem and snow-flakiness that the Ivy League schools will instill in them.

We'll get that whole respect for hard work and education thing India has fixed up in a jiffy.

Hey it worked here, it'll work there too.

They are going to shiat themselves when they find out the Ivy League grades on the A scale.

SirEattonHogg: Also true in HK/China (and probably a lot of other East Asian countries). If you are lucky in life's lottery and born to an upper class family - dont have to deal with the competition to get into a top local schools (competition is even crazier than getting into Harvard, etc, as the population 5, 6 times as big as US...), atleast mom and dad can send you to a school in US, UK or Australia as a second choice.

And forget ivy league/Oxbridge... any foreign university sounds good.

Big industry here. They have billboards for attending foreign schools I never heard of. I was told if your kid is especially untalented, atleast you can send them to Australia where I guess they have a lot of not so resepctable institutions and cost and entry is easier.

Isn't that the reason why? for every 1 hard working U.S. student there's 7 or 8 Indians.
just like for every 1 hard working lawn care tech there's 7 or 8 Mexicans.
I'm starting to see a theme here.

StrongBrad: This is true of all the Ivies, so the article is pretty misleading.

Some of the Ivies have merit scholarships.

tomWright: We'll get that whole respect for hard work and education thing India has fixed up in a jiffy.

You really are stupid aren't you?

Both India and China need more Universities.

The Ivy league schools are all about training new university professors.

I can see the Ivy league schools recruiting widely to have 'their people' in the forthcoming schools in CN and IN. They want access to research facilities and assets of foreign institutions, and the best way is to have their graduates working there.

holeinmybucket: I suspect they dont have many liberal-arts subjects built into their averages ( where it is harder to get perfect marks)...

and a decent job afterwards, with a few exceptions

I've actually heard praise of the American higher education system over the Indian system by a couple Indian students and professors I knew. Both mentioned how in India, they teach to the test even more than we do here, and that critical thinking skills are not emphasized at all. One TA I had even said that our ability to have a diverse educational experience is a huge advantage over their niche-style system. And this was all from within the geology department.

C.S.S. time: One of the best geology professors I've ever had was Indian. His name is Tapas Bhattacharyya (Link) and he taught mineralogy and igneous and metamorphic petrology at FSU. His exams were farking intense... however, he always gave them to us the day before so we could look up and memorize our answers. Even then, the scores tended to be in the B and C range, but I don't think I ever scored below an A (curved, of course). He then went back to India the next semester because his teaching invitation ran out. That sucked big time because he's such an amazing professor.

Another one of those "America Sucks" stories from your GOP/DNC Globalist Nutjob gang

The reason Indians and most South and SE Asians come to school in the US is because the quality of school in their countries SUCKS. These are Third World countries that cannot even feed their own people....they do not have the money to get good teachers or even serviceable equipment. There are few universities in India

US universities are the best in the world. Everyone wants to go to school HERE

As much as the Globalist Nutjobs want to push India as some growing economic giant....most people in India still go #1 and #2 in the local creek or river. No matter how many call centers you move there....that will not change

About Australia - good schools are fairly tough to get into. Sydney's top ones are considered as follows (in no particular order):

University of Sydney, University of New South Wales, University of Technology, Sydney, Macquarie University.

For a postgrad program, you need a fairly decent GMAT (above a 600 to be considered, although the minimum is a 550), two to three years of solid work experience, a semi-decent track record of growth, and a decent GPA.

The main reason why I think Australian unis get the poor rep that they do is primarily because they have a number of ways for you to get into uni. You can not get into the MBA program directly, but instead opt for a Graduate Diploma program that lets you complete the core courses and if the GPA is good enough, you can transfer into the MBA program. In that sense, it seems like everyone can get in. Plus, the government here encourages just about everyone going to uni. Deferred payments, HECS, etc - hence you see universities just about accepting everyone knowing that the government will foot the bill.

But the whole Indian thing is true here as well, lots and lots of them here. Couldn't get into IIT or such, but got in on partial scholarships here.

/dad's an ex-IIT alum
//oddly enough, I'm not Indian

So learning a little Hindi and a few words of Telugu was a good idea? Its hard as hell, but I may see if I can find a better learning resource.

Off to the "Higher Education" factory we go. Time to pump out some more "educated" people!

WhyteRaven74: StrongBrad: This is true of all the Ivies, so the article is pretty misleading.

Some of the Ivies have merit scholarships.

tomWright: We'll get that whole respect for hard work and education thing India has fixed up in a jiffy.

You really are stupid aren't you?

Unless things have changed none of the ivy league schools offer any type of unergrad merit scholarships.

Wollffeey: I've actually heard praise of the American higher education system over the Indian system by a couple Indian students and professors I knew.

babysealclubber: This is all true. It goes for China just as well.

And Japan. America's K-12 system is in shambles, but this country is still home to the best colleges in the world. The thing is, lately they're accepting international students not to encourage diversity so much as fewer and fewer American students qualify. Even back when I was applying for colleges they were discriminating against Asians because they already had enough of them.

/ got in anyway

In my experience teaching Computer Science graduate students from India, their abilities and preparation come no where near matching their qualifications listed on their transcripts. They have very little in the way of creative thinking skills, but they excel at memorization (for the test) and copying each other's homework and programming assignments.

Asking colleagues from India about this, they all concur that real education is very lacking in India, at least in our discipline... it's all about repeating back what the professor lectured at you and not about learning concepts so that they can be applied in novel ways to solve messy real-world problems.

Population of United States:
~310 Million

Birthrate of United States:
14 births / 1,000 people

Population of India:
~1.2 Billion

Birthrate of India:
21 births / 1,000 people

"Top 25%" of India's Population:
~300 Million

Translation:
The total number of honor students in India exceeds the entire student population of the United States.

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twisted.lolcat:
The main reason why I think Australian unis get the poor rep that they do is primarily because they have a number of ways for you to get into uni.

I thought it was twofold:
1) The number of full-fee paying places. Your average local is competing for a subsidised spot, but rich foreigners can pay full-fees and get straight in (once in they have to meet the normal requirements for graduation etc, but that point often gets forgotten).

2) The fact that Australia is a very young and small country means our universities are also small and relatively young. Oxford Uni predates European settlement of Australia by 7 centuries! Even 7/8 of the US Ivies were founded before Australia was. Check back in a millenium or so, our reputation may have caught up by then. (And by then, we may have more than 39 universities ... a quick goole check tells me that the US has 5,758!)

LiquidSky: a quick goole check

^ google

/In a millenium or so I may also learn to look for dumb typos before posting.

LiquidSky: a quick goole check tells me that the US has 5,758!

I have to wonder how many of those are for-profit diploma mills, though. I mean, in Florida, one of the more populated states, I can only think of 10 or so public and private universities that aren't the nationally-accredited kind like ITT Tech or Kaiser University. Perhaps I'm wrong with my counting and there a few smaller universities that I'm unaware of, or perhaps the states like California and those in the northeast just have a larger number than we do. I honestly don't know without googling it myself, which, I don't actually care that much to do.

If they are so brilliant why is their code so piss poor ?

YouFarkingIdiot: Off to the "Higher Education" factory we go. Time to pump out some more "educated" people!

This actually seems to capture the mentality exactly. A developing country knows that education is important, but they seem to think it's just a collection of facts, and completely forget about applying those skills.

If you haven't read it already, read Richard Feynmann's account of teaching in Brazil (Link)


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Then I gave the analogy of a Greek scholar who loves the Greek language, who knows that in his own country there aren't many children studying Greek. But he comes to another country, where he is delighted to find everybody studying Greek - even the smaller kids in the elementary schools. He goes to the examination of a student who is coming to get his degree in Greek, and asks him, "What were Socrates' ideas on the relationship between Truth and Beauty?" - and the student can't answer. Then he asks the student, "What did Socrates say to Plato in the Third Symposium?" the student lights up and goes, "Brrrrrrrrr-up" - he tells you everything, word for word, that Socrates said, in beautiful Greek.

But what Socrates was talking about in the Third Symposium was the relationship between Truth and Beauty!

What this Greek scholar discovers is, the students in another country learn Greek by first learning to pronounce the letters, then the words, and then sentences and paragraphs. They can recite, word for word, what Socrates said, without realizing that those Greek words actually mean something. To the student they are all artificial sounds. Nobody has ever translated them into words the students can understand.

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: In my experience teaching Computer Science graduate students from India, their abilities and preparation come no where near matching their qualifications listed on their transcripts. They have very little in the way of creative thinking skills, but they excel at memorization (for the test) and copying each other's homework and programming assignments.

Asking colleagues from India about this, they all concur that real education is very lacking in India, at least in our discipline... it's all about repeating back what the professor lectured at you and not about learning concepts so that they can be applied in novel ways to solve messy real-world problems.

I worked with a whole bunch on Indians for years. I too saw very little creative thinking going on among them and a real lack of interest in anything beside tech and business. Some interest in the arts but not much.

They told me that when they get to college all they study is technical material. No humanities or liberal arts.

Basically Indian education makes good robots.

That's just fantastic to hear. Please spend more of the lower and lower aide dollars available on people who will leave the United States afterwards. Great plan!

ecmoRandomNumbers: Maybe the white kids from Scottsdale will be able to clean their homes and manicure their lawns someday.

Sure, for one generation. Then their spoiled rich native-born kids will piss away their parent's success and major in art.

I'm not surprised Ivy League schools are more likely to accept these Indian students than Indian universities, just as I wouldn't be surprised if it's really hard for some townie from New Haven to get into Yale. Being from someplace far away is better for the university.