The worst part is that they get an automatic bid in a BCS bowl.. There were way more deserving teams than UConn last year.

Why does no one involved in any of this step in and say how stupid all of this is?

vonschiller: Why does no one involved in any of this step in and say how stupid all of this is?

$$$$$$$$$

The same reason Div 1A doesn't have a play off, while 1AA, 2 and 3 have play offs.

This is another sign that college football should be spun off from the NCAA. Make them independently licensed franchises that use the universities' logos for promotion. Pay the players and create a playoff....then organize teams into coherent leagues 8 leagues (Pacific, Mountain, Plains, Great Lakes, Southeastern, Texas, Florida, Northeast) and enjoy. Boise State would return to what it actually is a middling to small state university of questionable academic standards that serves a largely commuter and part-time student body.

If you're Boise, why in the world would you want to be even mentioned in the same breath as the Big East at this point? At least go begging to the Big12 or something.

ksetany: Boise State would return to what it actually is a middling to small state university of questionable academic standards that serves a largely commuter and part-time student body.

And thanks for being part of the problem.

Holy crap, my first greenlight! Wooooo

WhyteRaven74: ksetany: Boise State would return to what it actually is a middling to small state university of questionable academic standards that serves a largely commuter and part-time student body.

And thanks for being part of the problem.

Not sure why this is a problem. I call duck when I see duck...

ksetany: WhyteRaven74: ksetany: Boise State would return to what it actually is a middling to small state university of questionable academic standards that serves a largely commuter and part-time student body.

And thanks for being part of the problem.

Not sure why this is a problem. I call duck when I see duck...

farking colons, how do they work?
/by making liquid poop into solid poop?

ksetany: This is another sign that college football should be spun off from the NCAA.

I agree completely with this part of your post, and the four 16-team Super Conferences that we keep hearing about are the best way to accomplish this. The way I figure, it goes something like this:

- The champions of the ACC, Big Ten, SEC, and Pac-12 get automatic bids to an 8-team tournament as the 1-4 seeds.
- The 5-8 seeds* are made up of at-large teams made up of independents, other teams in those four conferences, and schools in other conferences that agree to participate in the playoff.
- Profit. Lots and lots of profit.

* 16 teams, I think would make things too unwieldy from a scheduling perspective. I could *maybe* see 12, with the 5-12 seeds playing each other to see who competes in the field of 8, but that's about it.

Now, this would naturally favor teams in the four super conferences, both in terms of money and the ability to win championships. The NCAA-ish organization they'd have to form would get the vast majority of the money from the massive TV contract that would inevitably come out of this arrangement, with an appreciable (but much smaller) amount going to each school who makes the field as an at-large team.

That would piss off the teams not in those conferences, obviously. The thing is, the four super conferences would be home to 64 of the 120 Division I-A teams, and the BCS system makes things even harder for smaller programs to compete for the championship.

The NCAA does a great job with basketball, I think, but the D-IA system in football is broken, and it has no interest in fixing it. Done right, a tournament could create another March Madness.

ksetany: Not sure why this is a problem. I call duck when I see duck...

What you want is to make it so no school could ever emerge and become a powerhouse. Way I see it the NCAA needs to lay down the law institute a play off and tell schools all sports head coaches, not the AD,not the school president, have to approve conference moves. That way the football program isn't throwing every other sport for a loop. Also, no games scheduled more than one season ahead, and the NCAA reserves the right to modify schedules. Oh and if they want to get funny and pull football out of the NCAA? Then fine, the NCAA will void the school's eligibility for any sport.

WhyteRaven74: ksetany: Not sure why this is a problem. I call duck when I see duck...

What you want is to make it so no school could ever emerge and become a powerhouse. Way I see it the NCAA needs to lay down the law institute a play off and tell schools all sports head coaches, not the AD,not the school president, have to approve conference moves. That way the football program isn't throwing every other sport for a loop. Also, no games scheduled more than one season ahead, and the NCAA reserves the right to modify schedules. Oh and if they want to get funny and pull football out of the NCAA? Then fine, the NCAA will void the school's eligibility for any sport.

Actually. I don't want college football to be part of the universities any longer. Independently owned and operated franchises would not be under the control of any university administrator. You are somewhat guessing my thoughts as it actually doesn't matter to me which of these franchises are power-houses. This would be de facto football's minor league and would primarily be engineered to guarantee some movement of profit from the 'institutions of higher learning' to the 'student athletes' whose talent generates the revenue of interest. We could then have leagues, playoffs, player compensation, recruitment, etc. be configured however we wanted.

Brad_Will: 16 teams, I think would make things too unwieldy from a scheduling perspective

1AA, 2 and 3 all have tournaments with at least 16 teams. If Division 3 schools can handle it, Division 1A schools can handle it.

ksetany: Independently owned and operated franchises would not be under the control of any university administrator.

Then go start a minor league football system. College baseball doesn't mess with minor league baseball. And keep football a college sport. Perhaps institute uniform revenue sharing, pool all TV and non-ticket or merchandising revenues and split them equally among all 1A programs. If you get rid of 1A, then 1AA would be the new 1A. And you'd still have Division 2 and 3.

WhyteRaven74: ksetany: Independently owned and operated franchises would not be under the control of any university administrator.

Then go start a minor league football system. College baseball doesn't mess with minor league baseball. And keep football a college sport. Perhaps institute uniform revenue sharing, pool all TV and non-ticket or merchandising revenues and split them equally among all 1A programs. If you get rid of 1A, then 1AA would be the new 1A. And you'd still have Division 2 and 3.

Yes, it makes so much sense to have a major sports operation linked to our universities, whose primary mission is education and research. Any this under the guise of amateur athleticism. Great illusion and system for everyone except most of the exploited athletes. I really doubt 1AA would be become the new 1A, try to keep it real at least.

ksetany: Actually. I don't want college football to be part of the universities any longer. Independently owned and operated franchises would not be under the control of any university administrator. You are somewhat guessing my thoughts as it actually doesn't matter to me which of these franchises are power-houses. This would be de facto football's minor league and would primarily be engineered to guarantee some movement of profit from the 'institutions of higher learning' to the 'student athletes' whose talent generates the revenue of interest. We could then have leagues, playoffs, player compensation, recruitment, etc. be configured however we wanted.

Div 1A is college's "de facto minor league." What needs to happen is that there needs to be a minor league established for football, one that will, like the minor leagues in baseball and the juniors/minor league in hockey, take promising players out of high school, play them, put them in front of small- and medium-town crowds and so on. The problem with the concept of building the for-profit, paid-players minor league out of college teams is that the schools/teams have too much history. Michigan is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, etc. allow Wolverine football to be spun off into their own thing.

But, if you sap the talent pool of the future NFL-types, then you create an environment where that's not a thing--people aren't watching to see the next Barry Sanders light up Oklahoma's opponents. You might still have some competitive football... but it will be with players who know their livelihoods, after college, are not going to be on the field. It puts them back on the same plane as most of the other collegiate athletics.

Interestingly... the two biggest college sports, far and away, are football and basketball, which are also the two major sports that do not have any kind of significant developmental/farm system baked in. Imagine that.

Dr J Zoidberg: Dear Boise, you're a better fit in the Big 12, you and one other team can bring them back to having a championship game and keep the conference from falling apart

What I don't get is how the Big East thinks Boise St is in any worse of a position to have to be coerced into the Big East than TCU was. Boise is arguably a bigger team nationally, and is farther away from all the BE schools than TCU was. So the BE also targeted Navy and Air Force. They'll have a higher chance to get those teams than Boise.
I still think BE loses its AQ berth very shortly. A decent to good WVU team doesn't save them.

Daveman: but it will be with players who know their livelihoods, after college, are not going to be on the field.

There's a lot of major league baseball players that would like a word. Also considering how many NFL players come out of 1-AA schools...

That amount of travel back and forth to the east coast is going to be tough. Boise is going to be unstoppable on the blue turf and end up losing games to doormats on the road.
The one or two trips a season they take now doesn't compare to the constant travel across the country for an entire season.

It is why regional conferences make sense. They should go PAC or Big 12. But Idaho isn't the hot bed of recruiting or big money, so they offers from dying conferences like the big east. Well, that and BSUs academics don't qualify for a conference that has ASU in it, and that says someone right there

blindy the pirate: BSUs academics

The school is working on fixing that. It only became a university less than 40 years ago, and only recent started offering PhD's and the like. It'll take a while, but if they want to, they can get there.

martissimo: FTFA: The Big East also has eight schools that do not play football: Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul and Notre Dame.

NICE!

Villanova plays football, dumbass.

WhyteRaven74: blindy the pirate: BSUs academics

The school is working on fixing that. It only became a university less than 40 years ago, and only recent started offering PhD's and the like. It'll take a while, but if they want to, they can get there.

Me Went 2 Boyse St and ower Ecoduemics is good enof. Oly reson not in big cunferense is oter skools afrad of ower futball tem. We kik ur ass! Go Bronkos.

greenbowlpacker: Villanova plays football, dumbass.

In the Big East? I know the conference has fallen on some hard times, but I don't think they have any I-AA teams.

WhyteRaven74: Daveman: but it will be with players who know their livelihoods, after college, are not going to be on the field.

There's a lot of major league baseball players that would like a word. Also considering how many NFL players come out of 1-AA schools...

There are some major league baseball players who might take issue with my statement. Maybe.

My point is that Div 1A would become more like Div 1AA is now. You might get some overlooked players coming out of there and going pro, but no one would be under any illusions that the promise is there. Same as with baseball. Most MLB players come from somewhere other than the US, or straight out of high school. The college-playing dudes are outliers, and always have been.

You know, I bet right now that the Big 12 North schools and Baylor are all sending "Thank You" fruit gift baskets to the ACC for deciding to expand and thus, shift the status of "faltering conference on the verge of collapse" away from them to the Big East.

greenbowlpacker: martissimo: FTFA: The Big East also has eight schools that do not play football: Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul and Notre Dame.

NICE!

Villanova plays football, dumbass.

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I think they mean they don't compete in the Big East for football. 'Nova's football team is in the Colonial Athletic Association, and Notre Dame football does not participate in any conference.

WhyteRaven74: vonschiller: Why does no one involved in any of this step in and say how stupid all of this is?

$$$$$$$$$

The same reason Div 1A doesn't have a play off, while 1AA, 2 and 3 have play offs.

A playoff run the right way would generate far more $$$ than the BCS ever could. As long as the BCS keeps buying college ADs and presidents with free trips and schools keep giving coaches bonuses for making bowl games, don't expect change.

Brad_Will: I agree completely with this part of your post, and the four 16-team Super Conferences that we keep hearing about are the best way to accomplish this. The way I figure, it goes something like this:

- The champions of the ACC, Big Ten, SEC, and Pac-12 get automatic bids to an 8-team tournament as the 1-4 seeds.
- The 5-8 seeds* are made up of at-large teams made up of independents, other teams in those four conferences, and schools in other conferences that agree to participate in the playoff.
- Profit. Lots and lots of profit.

I like this idea. Another variation I like is to have four four-team divisions within each conference. The four division champs would play in a 4-team tournament for each conference championship. Those four conference champs would go on to play for the national championship. So it would be a de facto 16-team playoff.

Again, the big problem is that it would completely shut out any team outside of the 64 conference teams from ever winning a title. But half of the schools that play in FBS belong in the FCS anyway (Sun Belt, WAC, MAC, half of the Big East, C-USA and everyone in the MWC minus Boise and TCU). Plus having four divisions in each 16-team conference would get around the issue of unwieldy 8-team divisions.

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: WhyteRaven74: blindy the pirate: BSUs academics

The school is working on fixing that. It only became a university less than 40 years ago, and only recent started offering PhD's and the like. It'll take a while, but if they want to, they can get there.

Me Went 2 Boyse St and ower Ecoduemics is good enof. Oly reson not in big cunferense is oter skools afrad of ower futball tem. We kik ur ass! Go Bronkos.

Something tells me you're an SEC grad, maybe UGA?

velvet_fog: Again, the big problem is that it would completely shut out any team outside of the 64 conference teams from ever winning a title.

That's why I think that having at-large teams is a must. Part of the charm and excitement of March Madness comes from mid majors with a legitimate shot at making some noise.

I agree 100% about a playoff having the potential to blow away the revenue currently generated by the BCS, by the way.

Who gives a potato about Boise St?? Once Kellen Moore leaves they will be a non-factor.

Funny how there is still no thread about Auburn being cleared here on Fark. But you can find a hundred of them spreading unsubstantiated rumors. Stay classy Fark ... Auburn Cleared by NCAA (new window)

The ACC winds up taking UCONN and Rutgers. The Big XII adds Louisville and West Virginia to go with TCU and BYU (after Missouri leaves for the SEC). The Big East is forced to think national in an attempt to keep it's AQ status in football and replace 6 basketball schools.

BIG EAST
Cincinnati
South Florida
Central Florida
Temple
East Carolina
Navy

BIG WEST
Air Force
Boise State
Houston
Southern Methodist
Fresno State
San Diego State

Central Florida gives the league a stronger presence in the Florida market.
Temple provides a presence in the Philadelphia market with an excellent stadium and a respectable basketball program.
East Carolina provides another decent mid-major football school that has been mentioned in several other expansion scenarios.
Navy is another good football program and gives the league some political capital as a service academy.
Air Force provides the same deal as Navy but out west.
Boise State has been one of best programs in the country the last decade, no brainer for the west division.
Houston gives the league a major market in Texas and is another good basketball program.
Southern Methodist regains the Dallas market lost when TCU bolted and further solidifies their presence in Texas.
Fresno State adds a NorCal school to the coverage and has been a good program under Pat Hill.
San Diego State gives them the same as Fresno State but in SoCal and has an excellent basketball program.

Since there are no major schools available in football hotbeds like Florida, Texas and California doubling down in these areas helps the Big East at least claim a decent amount of market presence in each. Also adding Temple, Houston and SDSU as basketball schools is a boon for what has always been a BBall conference which is reeling from losing several marquee programs. It's not great but I believe this would be a decent-enough conference with a national footprint to allow it to keep its AQ status.

The 12 team plan also helps add some $$$ to the conference coffers by allowing for a championship game. You could even make a strong case to go to 14 teams by adding Memphis to the east and Nevada or Hawaii in the west. Memphis adds another basketball power to the league while Nevada has been a very good football team for a while now. If they go with Hawaii they can add a bonus in recruiting with the ability to offer a trip there every few years for a game.

I still think BE loses its AQ berth very shortly. A decent to good WVU team doesn't save them.

And the NCAA loses the tv viewers in those markets.

The sillier the conferences get, the closer we get to a playoff, right? I'm just trying to be optimistic.

krapykid03: The worst part is that they get an automatic bid in a BCS bowl.. There were way more deserving teams than UConn last year.

I don't see many possibilities of them holding on to that auto bid in the future. Wouldn't that be hilarious? Boise finally joins an auto bid conference and then it is taken away.

Where does BE basketball fit into all of this?

The conference names don't mean squat anymore anyway, so why not.

Alright, people are just making shiat up now.